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Post by aztecryan on Sept 5, 2022 11:49:46 GMT -8
Yeah, I figured you would answer something like that. Complete dismissal and an attack to boot!  For the people in the gallery, he is your true believer. Maybe you can understand why there is concern. He's the type of person we are worried about being in power. Complete dismissal because you don't have a point. I'm a true believer? I'm not even a fan of Biden...I'm a "believer" in democracy. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Sept 5, 2022 13:07:51 GMT -8
Democrats are so absurd when they go into damage control mode, and with Biden that is a 24/7 ordeal.
There is no spinning this one, we all heard it. Biden is unhinged, Joe must go.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 5, 2022 13:19:53 GMT -8
Democrats are so absurd when they go into damage control mode, and with Biden that is a 24/7 ordeal. There is no spinning this one, we all heard it. Biden is unhinged, Joe must go. (This has to be sarcasm...) You can't be taken seriously. If you're going to reference "spin" - You must acknowledge the origins of it. A reminder that the former president is being investigated (and will be indicted) for obstruction, violations of the Espionage Act, tax fraud, election tampering and who knows what else. Let's get back to Earth. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 5, 2022 13:30:41 GMT -8
Democrats are so absurd when they go into damage control mode, and with Biden that is a 24/7 ordeal. There is no spinning this one, we all heard it. Biden is unhinged, Joe must go. Trump's advisors literally hid national security information from him in fear of his recklessness. Damage control? That's actual damage control. This is a speech. Maybe, just maybe, instead of whining about the president calling a spade a spade, you should acknowledge that maybe a party trying to actively suppress voting rights and bodily autonomy IS the problem. If you're upset about being called a fascist....maybe don't be one? |
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Post by aztecmusician on Sept 5, 2022 15:26:30 GMT -8
Democrats are so absurd when they go into damage control mode, and with Biden that is a 24/7 ordeal. There is no spinning this one, we all heard it. Biden is unhinged, Joe must go. Trump's advisors literally hid national security information from him in fear of his recklessness. Damage control? That's actual damage control. This is a speech. Maybe, just maybe, instead of whining about the president calling a spade a spade, you should acknowledge that maybe a party trying to actively suppress voting rights and bodily autonomy IS the problem. If you're upset about being called a fascist....maybe don't be one? Once again you pivot your lack of a logical argument back to Trump. The topic is Joe Biden and his bizzare and divisive speech. He gives us his nostalgic version of a Hitler rant, then the next day the White House attempts to hypnotize the press corps and electorate into thinking it did’t happen. This wasn’t exactly the “Checkers Speech”, but instead a threatening statement by a president towards his political adversaries. It doesn’t get more unpresidential than that. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 5, 2022 15:37:28 GMT -8
Trump's advisors literally hid national security information from him in fear of his recklessness. Damage control? That's actual damage control. This is a speech. Maybe, just maybe, instead of whining about the president calling a spade a spade, you should acknowledge that maybe a party trying to actively suppress voting rights and bodily autonomy IS the problem. If you're upset about being called a fascist....maybe don't be one? Once again you pivot your lack of a logical argument back to Trump. The topic is Joe Biden and his bizzare and divisive speech. He gives us his nostalgic version of a Hitler rant, then the next day the White House attempts to hypnotize the press corps and electorate into thinking it did’t happen. This wasn’t exactly the “Checkers Speech”, but instead a threatening statement by a president towards his political adversaries. It doesn’t get more unpresidential than that. The logical argument *IS* Trump. You have blinders on, or it would be painfully obvious. The faux outrage over this speech (calling for Biden to be impeached, denounced, etc.) when the literal same exact thing (and far, far worse) happened two years ago and nobody cared at all. No uproar, no over-the-top media attacks... It's a smokescreen to deflect hypocrisy from a party that has no ethics anymore, refusing to denounce their leader. Period. Bizarre? Divisive? There are MAGA defendants in court RIGHT NOW for their January 6th actions. The people who invaded the Capitol are domestic terrorists. There were white nationalists, Nazi sympathizers, people who stand for nothing but hate in those masses. The legal ramifications bear that out across the board. You're not capable of being objective, your arguments are illogical and irrespective of (very) recent history. You can be shown the same speech, changing the person giving the speech and you'd find fault with one and be fine with the other. That's not real. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 5, 2022 15:48:02 GMT -8
Once again you pivot your lack of a logical argument back to Trump. The topic is Joe Biden and his bizzare and divisive speech. He gives us his nostalgic version of a Hitler rant, then the next day the White House attempts to hypnotize the press corps and electorate into thinking it did’t happen. This wasn’t exactly the “Checkers Speech”, but instead a threatening statement by a president towards his political adversaries. It doesn’t get more unpresidential than that. The logical argument *IS* Trump. You have blinders on, or it would be painfully obvious. The faux outrage over this speech (calling for Biden to be impeached, denounced, etc.) when the literal same exact thing (and far, far worse) happened two years ago and nobody cared at all. No uproar, no over-the-top media attacks... It's a smokescreen to deflect hypocrisy from a party that has no ethics anymore, refusing to denounce their leader. Period. Bizarre? Divisive? There are MAGA defendants in court RIGHT NOW for their January 6th actions. The people who invaded the Capitol are domestic terrorists. There were white nationalists, Nazi sympathizers, people who stand for nothing but hate in those masses. The legal ramifications bear that out across the board. You're not capable of being objective, your arguments are illogical and irrespective of (very) recent history. You can be shown the same speech, changing the person giving the speech and you'd find fault with one and be fine with the other. That's not real. Speaking of real: Let's be real. Republicans are only up in arms because the word "fascist" was utilized and the person being undermined was the leader of their party. A person who A) Is not on the ballot this year. B) Is under investigation in multiple states for multiple felonies. C) Represents a grave national security risk with the documents he admitted to possessing and D) Forcefully tried to overturn an election which resulted in the deaths of multiple people. As I said before, if you're upset with the use of the word "fascist"...look up the definition in your dictionary and then try to deny the reality that that's what the Republican party currently represents. There's no moral authority anymore - It's nothing but spin. The voice of reason was William Barr, who is still a complete asshat, but he was spot on in his statement of facts. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 5, 2022 16:02:34 GMT -8
Trump's advisors literally hid national security information from him in fear of his recklessness. Damage control? That's actual damage control. This is a speech. Maybe, just maybe, instead of whining about the president calling a spade a spade, you should acknowledge that maybe a party trying to actively suppress voting rights and bodily autonomy IS the problem. If you're upset about being called a fascist....maybe don't be one? Once again you pivot your lack of a logical argument back to Trump. The topic is Joe Biden and his bizzare and divisive speech. He gives us his nostalgic version of a Hitler rant, then the next day the White House attempts to hypnotize the press corps and electorate into thinking it did’t happen. This wasn’t exactly the “Checkers Speech”, but instead a threatening statement by a president towards his political adversaries. It doesn’t get more unpresidential than that. It doesn't? How about attacks on the FBI and the DOJ, which have resulted in a serious uptick in death threats against public service workers? How about spreading QAnon conspiracies? How about an unhinged meltdown attacking virtually everyone and demanding to be reinstalled as president? Your ignorance and lack of awareness on here is boundless. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 5, 2022 16:14:16 GMT -8
Yeah, I figured you would answer something like that. Complete dismissal and an attack to boot! For the people in the gallery, he is your true believer. Maybe you can understand why there is concern. He's the type of person we are worried about being in power. What have the Democrats done to hurt you? Specifically. |
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Post by uwphoto on Sept 5, 2022 22:59:42 GMT -8
Trump's advisors literally hid national security information from him in fear of his recklessness. Damage control? That's actual damage control. This is a speech. Maybe, just maybe, instead of whining about the president calling a spade a spade, you should acknowledge that maybe a party trying to actively suppress voting rights and bodily autonomy IS the problem. If you're upset about being called a fascist....maybe don't be one? Once again you pivot your lack of a logical argument back to Trump. The topic is Joe Biden and his bizzare and divisive speech. He gives us his nostalgic version of a Hitler rant, then the next day the White House attempts to hypnotize the press corps and electorate into thinking it did’t happen. This wasn’t exactly the “Checkers Speech”, but instead a threatening statement by a president towards his political adversaries. It doesn’t get more unpresidential than that. Why don't you go over to Foxnews.com and join your brethren cheering the California fires or calling the Williams sisters "trans"? That's about the level of critical thought you bring over here. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Sept 6, 2022 8:49:43 GMT -8
Yeah, I figured you would answer something like that. Complete dismissal and an attack to boot! For the people in the gallery, he is your true believer. Maybe you can understand why there is concern. He's the type of person we are worried about being in power. What have the Democrats done to hurt you? Specifically. I think that is a fair question, but that's like driving toward a cliff and saying "nothing has hurt me yet." Just for clarity, I'm not worried about Democrats per se, or classical liberals. I'm worried about leftist. There is a difference. I'm not in a position of power and I don't speak up, so leftist do not come after me. But I see how people are treated when they publicly "come out" as a republican. ` But to answer your question: I haven't been denied a job yet. But Would you hire the guy in the video I posted? He is MAGA. Please answer that question. I haven't been kicked off social media, or demonetized, or hidden by the algorithm, but I don't post on it either. I haven't been publicly called a racist, bigoted, fascist, extremist, etc. but aren't I by definition, you know, I am a republican. I haven't tried to speak publicly and been shutdown, but I don't speak publicly. I haven't won an election and had the loser say I was a delegitimate winner and then create a fake document and use that to investigate me for a few years, while the press slanders me. But I've never run for office. I normally don't speak up in group settings about political issues because I can read the room. But I am changing, remaining silent is easier, but not better. I guess that is on me, but it takes courage to says what is unpopular and who wants to be not liked? I will likely have to accept the current gender ideology (which I believe hurts children) or remain silent (I don't think I can, didn't I just say I should speak up, say what I believe is true?) or speak up and likely lose my job. It sucks, I love my job. And of course, we have the whole COVID thing. Forced experimental vaccinations, people losing their jobs, business's shut down, schools closed, shutting down dissenting views, silencing the lab leak theory, calling it "the pandemic of the unvaccinated" etc. You remember. I think that gives you an idea of what the left is capable of right here in the USA. Are you concerned about labeling MAGA republicans (whatever that is) as extremest and as a threat to our country? What do you think we should do about these democracy threatening, extremest MAGA? |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 6, 2022 9:06:49 GMT -8
What have the Democrats done to hurt you? Specifically. I think that is a fair question, but that's like driving toward a cliff and saying "nothing has hurt me yet." Just for clarity, I'm not worried about Democrats per se, or classical liberals. I'm worried about leftist. There is a difference. I'm not in a position of power and I don't speak up, so leftist do not come after me. But I see how people are treated when they publicly "come out" as a republican. ` But to answer your question: I haven't been denied a job yet. But Would you hire the guy in the video I posted? He is MAGA. Please answer that question. I haven't been kicked off social media, or demonetized, or hidden by the algorithm, but I don't post on it either. I haven't been publicly called a racist, bigoted, fascist, extremist, etc. but aren't I by definition, you know, I am a republican. I haven't tried to speak publicly and been shutdown, but I don't speak publicly. I haven't won an election and had the loser say I was a delegitimate winner and then create a fake document and use that to investigate me for a few years, while the press slanders me. But I've never run for office. I normally don't speak up in group settings about political issues because I can read the room. But I am changing, remaining silent is easier, but not better. I guess that is on me, but it takes courage to says what is unpopular and who wants to be not liked? I will likely have to accept the current gender ideology (which I believe hurts children) or remain silent (I don't think I can, didn't I just say I should speak up, say what I believe is true?) or speak up and likely lose my job. It sucks, I love my job. And of course, we have the whole COVID thing. Forced experimental vaccinations, people losing their jobs, business's shut down, schools closed, shutting down dissenting views, silencing the lab leak theory, calling it "the pandemic of the unvaccinated" etc. You remember. I think that gives you an idea of what the left is capable of right here in the USA. Are you concerned about labeling MAGA republicans (whatever that is) as extremest and as a threat to our country? What do you think we should do about these democracy threatening, extremest MAGA? The fact you can't answer a simple question and have a post littered with half-truths erodes your entire stance here. There is nothing wrong with being a moderate, balanced Republican. There is, however, something wrong with not being able to have the integrity to realize and identify what is happening to that party. It has been infiltrated by Trump loyalists who will do anything to remain relevant. They'll utilize any falsehood to promote their narrative and intentionally misguide and abuse their position to bolster their Trumpist agenda. You don't sound like a Republican, you sound like an extremist in the wording you choose to implement. "Forced vaccinations" and "lab leak theory" aren't real events; you're just perpetuating talking points. I know plenty of conservative folks that don't believe in racism, hatred and conspiracy theory. It's not a binary path, you have other options available to you. Terrorism is bad. (If we can't agree on that universality, we're lost.) Storming the Capitol based on the incitement of a career grifter and fraud, promoting an obvious lie, to circumvent a democratic election....is bad. Trying to get reinstalled as president 18 months after the election is over....is bad. These aren't radical views, it's basic common sense. Are you a Republican or are you a Trumpist? |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Sept 6, 2022 9:31:45 GMT -8
Ryan, I'm gonna take a break from you and your posts.
Thanks.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 6, 2022 11:05:07 GMT -8
What have the Democrats done to hurt you? Specifically. I think that is a fair question, but that's like driving toward a cliff and saying "nothing has hurt me yet." Just for clarity, I'm not worried about Democrats per se, or classical liberals. I'm worried about leftist. There is a difference. I'm not in a position of power and I don't speak up, so leftist do not come after me. But I see how people are treated when they publicly "come out" as a republican. ` But to answer your question: I haven't been denied a job yet. But Would you hire the guy in the video I posted? He is MAGA. Please answer that question. I haven't been kicked off social media, or demonetized, or hidden by the algorithm, but I don't post on it either. I haven't been publicly called a racist, bigoted, fascist, extremist, etc. but aren't I by definition, you know, I am a republican. I haven't tried to speak publicly and been shutdown, but I don't speak publicly. I haven't won an election and had the loser say I was a delegitimate winner and then create a fake document and use that to investigate me for a few years, while the press slanders me. But I've never run for office. I normally don't speak up in group settings about political issues because I can read the room. But I am changing, remaining silent is easier, but not better. I guess that is on me, but it takes courage to says what is unpopular and who wants to be not liked? I will likely have to accept the current gender ideology (which I believe hurts children) or remain silent (I don't think I can, didn't I just say I should speak up, say what I believe is true?) or speak up and likely lose my job. It sucks, I love my job. And of course, we have the whole COVID thing. Forced experimental vaccinations, people losing their jobs, business's shut down, schools closed, shutting down dissenting views, silencing the lab leak theory, calling it "the pandemic of the unvaccinated" etc. You remember. I think that gives you an idea of what the left is capable of right here in the USA. So... Nothing to hurt you. Got it. MAGA Republicans ARE a threat to our Democracy. They have proven that. They are willing to cheat and subvert elections to get their way. They are willing to shut down polling places for minorities, then limit vote by mail. They are willing to disenfranchise tens of millions of Americans because they are AFRAID of them. They are afraid of people who are different from them or have differing political viewpoints from them. They oppose higher education. They don't want an educated, informed populace. Ignorance works better for them. What should we do with them? If they break laws we should prosecute them. The insurrectionists from January 6th were treated with kid gloves. Had I been in charge I would have viewed them as enemy combatants and shot them as they attacked the Capitol. Trump broke laws, so he should certainly be prosecuted. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 6, 2022 11:24:38 GMT -8
Ryan, I'm gonna take a break from you and your posts. Thanks. That's pretty much what I expected. |
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 6, 2022 11:30:45 GMT -8
sdsuball, you asked me why I support Trump. I'm not a Trump supporter, I hope he doesn't run. But whoever the republicans run, he or she will be demonized too. I don't think you are seeing what is going on. "The MAGA agenda". not the MAGA people? Come on man. "A threat to the very soul of the country". Every movie needs a villain. Every movement needs an enemy. MAGA they are the enemy. A threat to democracy, the soul of the country, our very existence...what should we do with such people? They are not people, they are MAGA! I can't believe what a bad idea this is...it's insanely dark...and we have seen it played out multiple times in human history. I think that it's important that you look at the actions that Trump has taken and some of the things that have come out of his mouth since 2016. Trump is MAGA - it's his campaign slogan. Trump right now is the face of the Republican party. He kicked Cheney out of her Congressional seat. Democrats don't like the rollback of Roe v. Wade, but they aren't calling rank and file Republicans extremists for holding those views about abortion. Do both parties criticize the other parties' candidates? Yes, of course. But that's not what Biden is doing in this speech. Trump is a traitor to our country. He should be treated as such. Not his MAGA supporters, but him specifically. He tried to overturn an election. He stole top secret documents on his way out of office. That is treason, sedition. He would be hung from the gallows if this happened a century ago.He tried to withdraw military aid to Ukraine after they wouldn't give him dirt on Biden's son. Considering his warm relationship with Russia, considering that they later invaded Ukraine.. I see him acting in Russia's best interest in trying to withhold military aid to America's ally. It may be difficult to prove that it's treason, but it looks treasonous even if it's not necessarily provable. Here's a suggestion - vote for someone other then Trump in the primary. And stop sheltering him in your party. When you guys don't speak out against someone who is the face of your party, who kicks other Republicans out of office who disagree with him, who is a traitor to our country and democracy - that's when there's a bigger problem. You don't like Trump. So speak out against him and MAGA. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 6, 2022 11:39:10 GMT -8
I think that is a fair question, but that's like driving toward a cliff and saying "nothing has hurt me yet." Just for clarity, I'm not worried about Democrats per se, or classical liberals. I'm worried about leftist. There is a difference. I'm not in a position of power and I don't speak up, so leftist do not come after me. But I see how people are treated when they publicly "come out" as a republican. ` But to answer your question: I haven't been denied a job yet. But Would you hire the guy in the video I posted? He is MAGA. Please answer that question. I haven't been kicked off social media, or demonetized, or hidden by the algorithm, but I don't post on it either. I haven't been publicly called a racist, bigoted, fascist, extremist, etc. but aren't I by definition, you know, I am a republican. I haven't tried to speak publicly and been shutdown, but I don't speak publicly. I haven't won an election and had the loser say I was a delegitimate winner and then create a fake document and use that to investigate me for a few years, while the press slanders me. But I've never run for office. I normally don't speak up in group settings about political issues because I can read the room. But I am changing, remaining silent is easier, but not better. I guess that is on me, but it takes courage to says what is unpopular and who wants to be not liked? I will likely have to accept the current gender ideology (which I believe hurts children) or remain silent (I don't think I can, didn't I just say I should speak up, say what I believe is true?) or speak up and likely lose my job. It sucks, I love my job. And of course, we have the whole COVID thing. Forced experimental vaccinations, people losing their jobs, business's shut down, schools closed, shutting down dissenting views, silencing the lab leak theory, calling it "the pandemic of the unvaccinated" etc. You remember. I think that gives you an idea of what the left is capable of right here in the USA. So... Nothing to hurt you. Got it. MAGA Republicans ARE a threat to our Democracy. They have proven that. They are willing to cheat and subvert elections to get their way. They are willing to shut down polling places for minorities, then limit vote by mail. They are willing to disenfranchise tens of millions of Americans because they are AFRAID of them. They are afraid of people who are different from them or have differing political viewpoints from them. They oppose higher education. They don't want an educated, informed populace. Ignorance works better for them. What should we do with them? If they break laws we should prosecute them. The insurrectionists from January 6th were treated with kid gloves. Had I been in charge I would have viewed them as enemy combatants and shot them as they attacked the Capitol. Trump broke laws, so he should certainly be prosecuted. Which makes the Cannon ruling even more astounding - "Irreparable harm" for a person who likely sold state secrets to hostile governments and was given a chance (or chances) to handle the matter quietly. Her ruling essentially sets precedent that Trump is above the law. |
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 6, 2022 11:49:10 GMT -8
I think that is a fair question, but that's like driving toward a cliff and saying "nothing has hurt me yet." Just for clarity, I'm not worried about Democrats per se, or classical liberals. I'm worried about leftist. There is a difference. I'm not in a position of power and I don't speak up, so leftist do not come after me. But I see how people are treated when they publicly "come out" as a republican. ` But to answer your question: I haven't been denied a job yet. But Would you hire the guy in the video I posted? He is MAGA. Please answer that question. I haven't been kicked off social media, or demonetized, or hidden by the algorithm, but I don't post on it either. I haven't been publicly called a racist, bigoted, fascist, extremist, etc. but aren't I by definition, you know, I am a republican. I haven't tried to speak publicly and been shutdown, but I don't speak publicly. I haven't won an election and had the loser say I was a delegitimate winner and then create a fake document and use that to investigate me for a few years, while the press slanders me. But I've never run for office. I normally don't speak up in group settings about political issues because I can read the room. But I am changing, remaining silent is easier, but not better. I guess that is on me, but it takes courage to says what is unpopular and who wants to be not liked? I will likely have to accept the current gender ideology (which I believe hurts children) or remain silent (I don't think I can, didn't I just say I should speak up, say what I believe is true?) or speak up and likely lose my job. It sucks, I love my job. And of course, we have the whole COVID thing. Forced experimental vaccinations, people losing their jobs, business's shut down, schools closed, shutting down dissenting views, silencing the lab leak theory, calling it "the pandemic of the unvaccinated" etc. You remember. I think that gives you an idea of what the left is capable of right here in the USA. Are you concerned about labeling MAGA republicans (whatever that is) as extremest and as a threat to our country? What do you think we should do about these democracy threatening, extremest MAGA? "Forced vaccinations" and "lab leak theory" aren't real events; you're just perpetuating talking points. He's right that forced vaccinations and lab leak theory are more then talking points. Forced vaccination is a legitimate erosion of our civil rights. If you are required to get vaccinated to hold onto your job because of federal, state or city rules, that is creating a considerable amount of harm to millions of American's lives. Pandemic of the unvaccinated was a bull$#!+ stance by the Democratic party. Vaccinated people spread the virus in spades. Lab leak theory is a legitimate possibility. We still haven't been able to trace the origins of COVID-19. Even scientists acknowledge the possibility of a leak from the lab in Wuhan. Their labs have weaker security protocols then labs in America. Scientists would say that it's more likely that it came from an animal source, but they can't definitively say that it came from an animal source. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 6, 2022 11:55:40 GMT -8
"Forced vaccinations" and "lab leak theory" aren't real events; you're just perpetuating talking points. He's right that forced vaccinations and lab leak theory are more then talking points. Forced vaccination is a legitimate erosion of our civil rights. If you are required to get vaccinated to hold onto your job because of federal, state or city rules, that is creating a considerable amount of harm to millions of American's lives. Pandemic of the unvaccinated was a bull$#!+ stance by the Democratic party. Vaccinated people spread the virus in spades. Lab leak theory is a legitimate possibility. We still haven't been able to trace the origins of COVID-19. Even scientists acknowledge the possibility of a leak from the lab in Wuhan. Their labs have weaker security protocols then labs in America. Scientists would say that it's more likely that it came from an animal source, but they can't definitively say that it came from an animal source. "Forced" vaccinations are a red herring. You don't reserve the right to potentially endanger other people and the courts have long held that standard up in litigation. And recent studies have concluded that the virus more than likely originated in the Wuhan market. These are talking points. They are amplified, but they are talking points. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 6, 2022 12:47:05 GMT -8
So here's the thing: Going back to how information is absorbed and consumed by the general population is critical. How things are framed (in concert with our own political and preconceived biases) is equally critical. Some will take whatever is said by a single source as gospel. Some won't. The old adage of "whatever you're looking for, you'll find it" applies here. Once you turn off the ability to analyze situations, it's game over. A talking head will tell you that Biden's speech echoes Hitler's divisionist tactics and you'll believe it.
But what's the truth? The largest threat in America pertaining to democracy is the willful use of disinformation and partisanship to sew division and civil unrest. The stoking of political flames to undermine foundational elements of this country and enhance adversarial parties. Just look at where we are: There are still people who believe the 2020 election was fraudulently won by Joe Biden, despite zero credible proof to back the theory. There are still people who deny that January 6th was an attack against a body of Congress. There are people who intentionally will dismiss the seriousness of what transpired and construct false equivalences to try and counterbalance ethical and civil issues with terrorism.
Objectivity has to have a place in society.
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