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Post by wakelaunch on Jul 21, 2022 11:42:54 GMT -8
I think it’s time for an updated bill of rights. These should all be codified into the bill of rights. Clarence Thomas said we should end these and throw them back to the states. He’s a clown. It’s unbelievable that we have to pass laws to protect these rights and the Republicans vote against these rights
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jul 21, 2022 11:46:55 GMT -8
Yeah, I don't get the need that most Republicans (especially Christian Republicans) feel to TAKE AWAY the rights of others.
As if these people are hurting them in some way. Come on! Live and let live. Be tolerant of others unless they are harming you in some tangible way.
This platform of hatred and inequality makes the Religious Right look like a bunch of Nazis. It really does. That card is overplayed, but in this case it's accurate.
"Judge not lest ye be judged!"
And, yeah, update the Bill of Rights to make sure that it applies to EVERYONE, evenly. Protecting rights is a lot more admirable than taking rights away!
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2022 14:06:06 GMT -8
I'm a Christian, and I believe that we should all have choices, as Jesus gave us that right. So, I believe that it all gets dealt with eventually, anyway.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jul 21, 2022 15:21:54 GMT -8
Do you think abortion is birth control?
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 21, 2022 18:06:21 GMT -8
Some voters and jurists think the life of a human being is being terminated in an abortion, especially after the ability to survive outside the womb is upon them.
It used to be "reasonable people could reasonably disagree about abortion". When did it become that ONLY the rights of the mother is involved in an abortion?
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2022 18:11:04 GMT -8
Some voters and jurists think the life of a human being is being terminated in an abortion, especially after the ability to survive outside the womb is upon them. It used to be "reasonable people could reasonably disagree about abortion". When did it become that ONLY the rights of the mother is involved in an abortion? Because it's nobody else's business? |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2022 18:49:03 GMT -8
Some voters and jurists think the life of a human being is being terminated in an abortion, especially after the ability to survive outside the womb is upon them. It used to be "reasonable people could reasonably disagree about abortion". When did it become that ONLY the rights of the mother is involved in an abortion? Because it's nobody else's business? But, if you believe that abortion is murder, it should be everybody's business who believes that. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jul 21, 2022 19:52:55 GMT -8
Because it's nobody else's business? But, if you believe that abortion is murder, it should be everybody's business who believes that. Just because you believe something doesn't make it factually correct. Most people hundreds of years ago believed the world was flat. That was factually INcorrect. A fetus that isn't conscious yet isn't a person. It isn't viable on it's own. That IS factually correct. Telling people how to live on a matter of OPINION is wrong. It is the OPINION of some that abortion is murder (and, beyond a certain point in the development of the fetus/baby I'd agree with that), but before that point? It's totally OPINION. Basing law on religious based OPINION is the opposite of what the United States government (or any state government) is supposed to do. People who believe differently MUST have their rights protected. If they don't have their rights protected, how do you know that down the line YOUR rights won't be protected? If we can start making PRO religious laws (laws based on religious beliefs), then down the line others could make laws that are ANTI religious (infringing on religious freedoms that you enjoy today). We should ALL have our rights protected. PERIOD. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2022 20:01:25 GMT -8
Because it's nobody else's business? But, if you believe that abortion is murder, it should be everybody's business who believes that. Absolutely not. Your beliefs don't dictate other people's personal decisions and if you think they do, you're out of your mind. If my neighbor from two blocks down the street had an abortion, I'm not going to condemn her to hell. It's none of my damn business. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2022 20:58:41 GMT -8
But, if you believe that abortion is murder, it should be everybody's business who believes that. Absolutely not. Your beliefs don't dictate other people's personal decisions and if you think they do, you're out of your mind. If my neighbor from two blocks down the street had an abortion, I'm not going to condemn her to hell. It's none of my damn business. When I say their business, I'm saying they'll want to speak out against. They're opinion is that it's murder. Law, or no law, like I've said, I believe that it all gets judged when you die anyway, unless you repent. That's my belief. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2022 20:59:50 GMT -8
But, if you believe that abortion is murder, it should be everybody's business who believes that. Just because you believe something doesn't make it factually correct. Most people hundreds of years ago believed the world was flat. That was factually INcorrect. A fetus that isn't conscious yet isn't a person. It isn't viable on it's own. That IS factually correct. Telling people how to live on a matter of OPINION is wrong. It is the OPINION of some that abortion is murder (and, beyond a certain point in the development of the fetus/baby I'd agree with that), but before that point? It's totally OPINION. Basing law on religious based OPINION is the opposite of what the United States government (or any state government) is supposed to do. People who believe differently MUST have their rights protected. If they don't have their rights protected, how do you know that down the line YOUR rights won't be protected? If we can start making PRO religious laws (laws based on religious beliefs), then down the line others could make laws that are ANTI religious (infringing on religious freedoms that you enjoy today). We should ALL have our rights protected. PERIOD. All I'm saying is that people who believe it's murder will speak out against. I believe that we're supposed to obey man's law, but the ultimate judge is Jesus anyway, and he'll deal with those when they die if they haven't repented. Again, that's my beliefs. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2022 21:03:57 GMT -8
Just because you believe something doesn't make it factually correct. Most people hundreds of years ago believed the world was flat. That was factually INcorrect. A fetus that isn't conscious yet isn't a person. It isn't viable on it's own. That IS factually correct. Telling people how to live on a matter of OPINION is wrong. It is the OPINION of some that abortion is murder (and, beyond a certain point in the development of the fetus/baby I'd agree with that), but before that point? It's totally OPINION. Basing law on religious based OPINION is the opposite of what the United States government (or any state government) is supposed to do. People who believe differently MUST have their rights protected. If they don't have their rights protected, how do you know that down the line YOUR rights won't be protected? If we can start making PRO religious laws (laws based on religious beliefs), then down the line others could make laws that are ANTI religious (infringing on religious freedoms that you enjoy today). We should ALL have our rights protected. PERIOD. All I'm saying is that people who believe it's murder will speak out against. I believe that we're supposed to obey man's law, but the ultimate judge is Jesus anyway, and he'll deal with those when they die if they haven't repented. Again, that's my beliefs. And since we aren't governed by ancient scripture, their opinions are just noise. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2022 21:05:26 GMT -8
All I'm saying is that people who believe it's murder will speak out against. I believe that we're supposed to obey man's law, but the ultimate judge is Jesus anyway, and he'll deal with those when they die if they haven't repented. Again, that's my beliefs. And since we aren't governed by ancient scripture, their opinions are just noise. It is your right to look at it as noise. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2022 21:56:43 GMT -8
But, if you believe that abortion is murder, it should be everybody's business who believes that. Just because you believe something doesn't make it factually correct. Most people hundreds of years ago believed the world was flat. That was factually INcorrect. A fetus that isn't conscious yet isn't a person. It isn't viable on it's own. That IS factually correct. Telling people how to live on a matter of OPINION is wrong. It is the OPINION of some that abortion is murder (and, beyond a certain point in the development of the fetus/baby I'd agree with that), but before that point? It's totally OPINION. Basing law on religious based OPINION is the opposite of what the United States government (or any state government) is supposed to do. People who believe differently MUST have their rights protected. If they don't have their rights protected, how do you know that down the line YOUR rights won't be protected? If we can start making PRO religious laws (laws based on religious beliefs), then down the line others could make laws that are ANTI religious (infringing on religious freedoms that you enjoy today). We should ALL have our rights protected. PERIOD. Also for me, as a Christian, I can't get around the fact that Jesus said, "BEFORE I formed you in the womb, I knew you." |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jul 22, 2022 11:47:48 GMT -8
Yeah, I actually think everyone knows the unborn are human beings, but many in our culture just don't care. Human nature hasn't changed. We discarded unwanted children in ancient times, and we do so in modern times. We are just better at it now. If you don't mind the profanity, Bill Burr just did a pretty funny routine on this. www.youtube.com/watch?v=35JbpRCoR44It's funny and sad and true. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jul 22, 2022 14:27:49 GMT -8
Just because you believe something doesn't make it factually correct. Most people hundreds of years ago believed the world was flat. That was factually INcorrect. A fetus that isn't conscious yet isn't a person. It isn't viable on it's own. That IS factually correct. Telling people how to live on a matter of OPINION is wrong. It is the OPINION of some that abortion is murder (and, beyond a certain point in the development of the fetus/baby I'd agree with that), but before that point? It's totally OPINION. Basing law on religious based OPINION is the opposite of what the United States government (or any state government) is supposed to do. People who believe differently MUST have their rights protected. If they don't have their rights protected, how do you know that down the line YOUR rights won't be protected? If we can start making PRO religious laws (laws based on religious beliefs), then down the line others could make laws that are ANTI religious (infringing on religious freedoms that you enjoy today). We should ALL have our rights protected. PERIOD. Also for me as a Christian, I can't get around the fact that Jesus said, "BEFORE I formed you in the womb, I knew you." I don't care what Jesus said. As a matter of fact, we don't even know for sure that Jesus existed. Any quotes attributed to him are 3rd and 4th generation removed (the stories were told verbally for decades before they were written down and compiled). There is no God, my friend. If there were, he wouldn't be a petty, jealous, insecure, angry, bitter, vindictive, cruel God as he's painted in the Bible. Those are the worst of the human traits. God would have to be better than that. God has no place in law, that's for sure. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 22, 2022 14:35:53 GMT -8
Also for me as a Christian, I can't get around the fact that Jesus said, "BEFORE I formed you in the womb, I knew you." I don't care what Jesus said. As a matter of fact, we don't even know for sure that Jesus existed. Any quotes attributed to him are 3rd and 4th generation removed (the stories were told verbally for decades before they were written down and compiled). There is no God, my friend. If there were, he wouldn't be a petty, jealous, insecure, angry, bitter, vindictive, cruel God as he's painted in the Bible. Those are the worst of the human traits. God would have to be better than that. God has no place in law, that's for sure. That is absolutely your choice/opinion to make. We have free will. But, I'll state my beliefs just as you can. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jul 22, 2022 15:15:03 GMT -8
Also for me as a Christian, I can't get around the fact that Jesus said, "BEFORE I formed you in the womb, I knew you." I don't care what Jesus said. As a matter of fact, we don't even know for sure that Jesus existed. Any quotes attributed to him are 3rd and 4th generation removed (the stories were told verbally for decades before they were written down and compiled). There is no God, my friend. If there were, he wouldn't be a petty, jealous, insecure, angry, bitter, vindictive, cruel God as he's painted in the Bible. Those are the worst of the human traits. God would have to be better than that. God has no place in law, that's for sure. This is just not true. Jesus is historical, but that doesn't make him the Son of God. And quotes to him are not 3rd and 4th generation removed. But it doesn't mean that they are accurate. If you are interested, I could go back and hash all that out, but it will take me a lot of time and energy. And honestly, I'm not sure I'm up for it. I'm just saying... As far as God and law, I guess it depends on what you mean. Are we endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among those are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness? Do we actually have value? Can laws actually be Just? If so, where does that ultimate standard come from? |
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 22, 2022 15:25:25 GMT -8
I don't care what Jesus said. As a matter of fact, we don't even know for sure that Jesus existed. Any quotes attributed to him are 3rd and 4th generation removed (the stories were told verbally for decades before they were written down and compiled). There is no God, my friend. If there were, he wouldn't be a petty, jealous, insecure, angry, bitter, vindictive, cruel God as he's painted in the Bible. Those are the worst of the human traits. God would have to be better than that. God has no place in law, that's for sure. This is just not true. Jesus is historical, but that doesn't make him the Son of God. And quotes to him are not 3rd and 4th generation removed. But it doesn't mean that they are accurate. If you are interested, I could go back and hash all that out, but it will take me a lot of time and energy. And honestly, I'm not sure I'm up for it. I'm just saying... As far as God and law, I guess it depends on what you mean. Are we endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among those are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness? Do we actually have value? Can laws actually be Just? If so, where does that ultimate standard come from? "Unalienable Rights"...like all the guns you want? |
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Post by North County Aztec on Jul 22, 2022 15:40:55 GMT -8
Also for me as a Christian, I can't get around the fact that Jesus said, "BEFORE I formed you in the womb, I knew you." I don't care what Jesus said. As a matter of fact, we don't even know for sure that Jesus existed. Any quotes attributed to him are 3rd and 4th generation removed (the stories were told verbally for decades before they were written down and compiled). There is no God, my friend. If there were, he wouldn't be a petty, jealous, insecure, angry, bitter, vindictive, cruel God as he's painted in the Bible. Those are the worst of the human traits. God would have to be better than that. God has no place in law, that's for sure. OMG I must be loosing my mind. I agree with Eric. |
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