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Post by Den60 on Apr 12, 2023 6:10:58 GMT -8
We can only hope that our leadership (DLT) has become more open to going to the B12. My guess is that the athletic dept has been there from the start. B12>P12 1. The Big 12's ESPN contract automatically increases the payout for every P-5 school that joins the conference. So this is no new concession from ESPN, as respects the current PAC members. 2. The ESPN contract represents 65% of the $31.7 mil per school that the Big 12 gets from it's combined ESPN/Fox contracts. The other 35% is the Fox contract. Fox isn't required to increase their payout when a new school (P-5 or G-5) is added, but may agree to do so. This doesn't say if they have been approached as well; the tweet concerns only the ESPN portion of the total TV deal. 3. The TV payouts are made to the conference -- not to the school. So even if ESPN and Fox both agree to increase their payouts if SDSU (or Fresno) join the conference, there is no guarantee or requirement that the conference pass all of that $31.7 million on to the new member(s). The conference could get a full ESPN or ESPN/Fox payout and still only offer new members a 50% share for some initial period. 4. Doesn't this conflict with oft made claim that ESPN and Fox have already agreed to up the Big 12 ante if SDSU comes on board? And more to the point, doesn't this conflict with the also oft stated claim that you already have an agreement with the Big 12? How could they offer you full money before they even know how much money they are getting themselves? In my opinion, if true, this is a positive development for SDSU. It says that, for the first time, the Big 12 and SDSU may be seriously negotiating -- or may be about to begin doing so. UCONN? They aren't going to the B12. Why would they even consider it? Are they looking for more travel? The BE is a very good BB conference. Oh, you're not Yormark. Fresno St is well down his list. Were he to take PAC schools you are out. SDSU would be in, however. But, it doesn't matter. No PAC teams are leaving for the B12. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 12, 2023 6:18:13 GMT -8
Just to point out how funny all their B12 talk is, someone dug this up and posted it to the MHver3 post regarding two PAC schools leaving thread:
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Post by Yoda on Apr 12, 2023 6:20:09 GMT -8
1. The Big 12's ESPN contract automatically increases the payout for every P-5 school that joins the conference. So this is no new concession from ESPN, as respects the current PAC members. 2. The ESPN contract represents 65% of the $31.7 mil per school that the Big 12 gets from it's combined ESPN/Fox contracts. The other 35% is the Fox contract. Fox isn't required to increase their payout when a new school (P-5 or G-5) is added, but may agree to do so. This doesn't say if they have been approached as well; the tweet concerns only the ESPN portion of the total TV deal. 3. The TV payouts are made to the conference -- not to the school. So even if ESPN and Fox both agree to increase their payouts if SDSU (or Fresno) join the conference, there is no guarantee or requirement that the conference pass all of that $31.7 million on to the new member(s). The conference could get a full ESPN or ESPN/Fox payout and still only offer new members a 50% share for some initial period. 4. Doesn't this conflict with oft made claim that ESPN and Fox have already agreed to up the Big 12 ante if SDSU comes on board? And more to the point, doesn't this conflict with the also oft stated claim that you already have an agreement with the Big 12? How could they offer you full money before they even know how much money they are getting themselves? In my opinion, if true, this is a positive development for SDSU. It says that, for the first time, the Big 12 and SDSU may be seriously negotiating -- or may be about to begin doing so. UCONN? They aren't going to the B12. Why would they even consider it? Are they looking for more travel? The BE is a very good BB conference. Oh, you're not Yormark. Fresno St is well down his list. Were he to take PAC schools you are out. SDSU would be in, however. But, it doesn't matter. No PAC teams are leaving for the B12. UConn is a longshot; I admit that. And you are in denial. We'll see what happens, but there are outcomes out there that are not favorable to SDSU. |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Apr 12, 2023 6:24:43 GMT -8
We can only hope that our leadership (DLT) has become more open to going to the B12. My guess is that the athletic dept has been there from the start. B12>P12 1. The Big 12's ESPN contract automatically increases the payout for every P-5 school that joins the conference. So this is no new concession from ESPN, as respects the current PAC members. 2. The ESPN contract represents 65% of the $31.7 mil per school that the Big 12 gets from it's combined ESPN/Fox contracts. The other 35% is the Fox contract. Fox isn't required to increase their payout when a new school (P-5 or G-5) is added, but may agree to do so. This doesn't say if they have been approached as well; the tweet concerns only the ESPN portion of the total TV deal. 3. The TV payouts are made to the conference -- not to the school. So even if ESPN and Fox both agree to increase their payouts if SDSU (or Fresno) join the conference, there is no guarantee or requirement that the conference pass all of that $31.7 million on to the new member(s). The conference could get a full ESPN or ESPN/Fox payout and still only offer new members a 50% share for some initial period. 4. Doesn't this conflict with oft made claim that ESPN and Fox have already agreed to up the Big 12 ante if SDSU comes on board? And more to the point, doesn't this conflict with the also oft stated claim that you already have an agreement with the Big 12? How could they offer you full money before they even know how much money they are getting themselves? In my opinion, if true, this is a positive development for SDSU. It says that, for the first time, the Big 12 and SDSU may be seriously negotiating -- or may be about to begin doing so. You aren’t reading what was said by swaim correctly. He isn’t saying that ESPN will pay their same 65% share to pac teams, he is saying pac teams will receive the same pay as big 12, meaning either fox had agreed to pay pro rata or ESPN pays more for pac. Why not if your ESPN, cheaper to pay a few PAC teams a little more than to pay the whole pac in a separate tv contract. Video may have killed the radio star, but ESPN kills athletic conferences |
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Post by myownwords on Apr 12, 2023 6:33:43 GMT -8
Does anyone know---I'm too lazy to look it up---if there are fewer, or more "power teams" in football since about 2010?
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 12, 2023 7:01:01 GMT -8
Does anyone know---I'm too lazy to look it up---if there are fewer, or more "power teams" in football since about 2010? A little more. Big East members that were left out. UConn USF New additions to the P5 TCU UTAH UCF Houston BYU |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 12, 2023 7:38:56 GMT -8
UCONN? They aren't going to the B12. Why would they even consider it? Are they looking for more travel? The BE is a very good BB conference. Oh, you're not Yormark. Fresno St is well down his list. Were he to take PAC schools you are out. SDSU would be in, however. But, it doesn't matter. No PAC teams are leaving for the B12. UConn is a longshot; I admit that. And you are in denial. We'll see what happens, but there are outcomes out there that are not favorable to SDSU. We will see who is in denial. Of course there are outcomes not favorable to us but the likelihood of those coming to fruition are unlikely. But when you claim crap like Fresno would be chosen by the B12 over SDSU you lose all credibility. Why is it that we have an offer and Fresno doesn't, or are you holding out for a SEC invite? |
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Post by myownwords on Apr 12, 2023 7:54:34 GMT -8
Does anyone know---I'm too lazy to look it up---if there are fewer, or more "power teams" in football since about 2010? A little more. Big East members that were left out. UConn USF New additions to the P5 TCU UTAH UCF Houston BYU Thanks full_monty. So it appears that conference "realignments" have "helped" more schools, than they hurt. Maybe there is little to fear, even IF the PAC Pops. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 12, 2023 8:02:31 GMT -8
A little more. Big East members that were left out. UConn USF New additions to the P5 TCU UTAH UCF Houston BYU Thanks full_monty. So it appears that conference "realignments" have "helped" more schools, than they hurt. Maybe there is little to fear, even IF the PAC Pops. I think you would have to go back to the SW conference breakup to see the real effect. Left Out Rice SMU Added in Utah UCF BYU About a wash over these many decades, I considered Penn State as a Power before the breakup as well. |
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Post by PAC12 Aztec on Apr 12, 2023 8:10:52 GMT -8
I use to check this thread one or twice a day to see any updates on State getting into the PAC. Now, I just check to see so Yoda will stop psoting on this thread.
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Post by Yoda on Apr 12, 2023 8:20:23 GMT -8
I use to check this thread one or twice a day to see any updates on State getting into the PAC. Now, I just check to see so Yoda will stop psoting on this thread. Nah, not yet. Arizona's message board expansion thread is up to 610 pages and I figured you were trying to catch them. |
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Post by myownwords on Apr 12, 2023 8:20:53 GMT -8
I use to check this thread one or twice a day to see any updates on State getting into the PAC. Now, I just check to see so Yoda will stop psoting on this thread. So, you're saying, Yoda has transmogrified into Yeti? |
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Apr 12, 2023 8:27:58 GMT -8
Does anyone know---I'm too lazy to look it up---if there are fewer, or more "power teams" in football since about 2010? A little more. Big East members that were left out. UConn USF New additions to the P5 TCU UTAH UCF Houston BYU If you go back to 2005 Louisville, USF and Cincinnati were in C-USA. So +6 over the past 20 years since USF was both added and eventually left out. |
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Post by standiego on Apr 12, 2023 8:31:30 GMT -8
Per a reporter on 760 Monday - Fox did all it can to upset ESPN's part in College football was the go between - with BIG and USC / UCLA Expansion and did not care if the PAC was left to become whatever it will be - FOX and ESPN see themselves as major rivals for College Football so not sure if they want to add to the Big 12 's TV Money deal unless it benefits them
If the PAC would lose numerous PAC schools to the Big 12 - not sure if the Big 12 would need to add any MW schools - unless it is to try to totally eliminate the remaining PAC Conference - if they did would guess that the offer to MW schools would be at a very bargain rate not sure how low of a % it might be
So now me might see the real key - Do the PAC schools wait for the TV Deal or head to the Big 12 . It seems that so far the PAC schools have been willing to wait and see what the PAC TV Deal will be
As we have said Presidents of Schools do the voting not AD's
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Post by Den60 on Apr 12, 2023 9:02:26 GMT -8
Per a reporter on 760 Monday - Fox did all it can to upset ESPN's part in College football was the go between - with BIG and USC / UCLA Expansion and did not care if the PAC was left to become whatever it will be - FOX and ESPN see themselves as major rivals for College Football so not sure if they want to add to the Big 12 's TV Money deal unless it benefits them If the PAC would lose numerous PAC schools to the Big 12 - not sure if the Big 12 would need to add any MW schools - unless it is to try to totally eliminate the remaining PAC Conference - if they did would guess that the offer to MW schools would be at a very bargain rate not sure how low of a % it might be So now me might see the real key - Do the PAC schools wait for the TV Deal or head to the Big 12 . It seems that so far the PAC schools have been willing to wait and see what the PAC TV Deal will be As we have said Presidents of Schools do the voting not AD's My understanding is that FOX wanted UCLA along with USC if only to lock ESPN out of LA. In the unlikely event that the PAC implodes then I view the following as the most attractive programs for the B12: 1. Washington 2. Oregon 3. ASU 4. Colorado 5. SDSU 6. Utah (They already have BYU) 7. Arizona (Small market, and ASU gives them the state) 8. Fresno (You can bump them up above Zona but adding either Fresno or Arizona gives you an odd number of Pacific Time Zone schools*) 9. Wazzu and OSU I don't mention Cal or Stanford because there is no way in hell they are going to the B12. Adding 4 would get the B12 to 16 and, obviously, 6 to 18. HOWEVER, The PAC doesn't implode unless UW and UO go to the B1G. The PAC money will be in the range of what the B12 is getting if not more with UW and UO in the mix so there will be no financial reason to leave. * Arizona is in the Pacific Time Zone for part of the year. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 12, 2023 9:04:11 GMT -8
A little more. Big East members that were left out. UConn USF New additions to the P5 TCU UTAH UCF Houston BYU If you go back to 2005 Louisville, USF and Cincinnati were in C-USA. So +6 over the past 20 years since USF was both added and eventually left out. If you go back to 1996. Left out SMU RICE Added UCF BYU UTAH Louisville Cincinnati So that's +3. There have been a lot of chairs moving, but not much net adds and losses. Considering US population growth (+27% from 1995), the club has gotten more exclusive over the years. |
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Post by AzTex on Apr 12, 2023 9:59:22 GMT -8
You can't be peeled off until you are peeled on, so to speak. Everybody agrees that, if the PAC survives and expands, you're in if you still want in. But, the contract may be small enough that they don't expand. And worse, and very likely, a couple of PAC schools are not going to wait for the TV deal and are going to bolt this month or early next month. So the question for those of you who are committed to joining the PAC is this: which would you rather join, a PAC 7 (PAC 12 minus USC, UCLA and three 4-C schools) in which your TV contract sucks (low $ and mostly streaming) and at least two members want to leave for the Big 10, or the Big 12? It's very simple... if the PAC falls apart, SDSU will be part of the contingent joining the Big12 If, for no other reason to get into the Southern California market. SoCal >>> Central Valley. |
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Apr 12, 2023 10:11:42 GMT -8
It's very simple... if the PAC falls apart, SDSU will be part of the contingent joining the Big12 If, for no other reason to get into the Southern California market. SoCal >>> Central Valley. Yeah but you're forgetting that Fresno is a world-famous destination city that draws over 30 million tourists a year and where approximately zero people copulate with livestock. No, wait... that's not right. |
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Post by chris92065 on Apr 12, 2023 10:40:46 GMT -8
If, for no other reason to get into the Southern California market. SoCal >>> Central Valley. Yeah but you're forgetting that Fresno is a world-famous destination city that draws over 30 million tourists a year and where approximately zero people copulate with livestock. No, wait... that's not right. Well there was this dude in lakeside. |
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Post by chris92065 on Apr 12, 2023 10:49:40 GMT -8
If, for no other reason to get into the Southern California market. SoCal >>> Central Valley. Yeah but you're forgetting that Fresno is a world-famous destination city that draws over 30 million tourists a year and where approximately zero people copulate with livestock. No, wait... that's not right. Well there was this dude in lakeside. |
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