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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Jan 6, 2022 15:52:01 GMT -8
I don't see how the G5 can continue to be competitive. NCAA football has become a professional football league with no salary cap! ...with single-season contracts
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Post by Cwag on Jan 6, 2022 16:18:53 GMT -8
I don't see how the G5 can continue to be competitive. NCAA football has become a professional football league with no salary cap! Nothing is stopping a G5 booster from compensating players... any of you guys multimillionaires? I'm in for $20.
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Post by moctezumaii on Jan 7, 2022 3:42:23 GMT -8
Auburn can arrange NIL deals for their players, just like everyone else. They supposedly have one lined up with 1 of their boosters for him, at least that's the rumor. It can’t be offered prior to coming to Auburn or it will be pay for play and there are several schools dealing with that right now. It’s moot… if Caleb wants an NIL, he can get one and take it with him wherever he goes, Adidas, Nike, etc. Crypto, etc. and then he can get what he wants at the new school. I don’t believe that there is anything in place at Auburn, but I am sure that most of the top schools have donors that are ready to support Caleb’s move to their program. If Auburn offers Caleb a million bucks prior to his coming to the school, that's a serious violation. In fact, so serious the NCAA could end up shutting down the University of South Alabama's football program entirely. Maybe Alcorn State's, too. That would sure show Auburn who's boss.
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Post by aztec619 on Jan 7, 2022 13:23:16 GMT -8
I don't see how the G5 can continue to be competitive. NCAA football has become a professional football league with no salary cap! Nothing is stopping a G5 booster from compensating players... any of you guys multimillionaires? I've been saying to call Ralph Rubio, the Costco dude, Kathleen Kennedy, etc and have them get up some players! ![;)](//storage2.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by 🥸 Hopeless Aztec on Jan 7, 2022 14:51:16 GMT -8
Nothing is stopping a G5 booster from compensating players... any of you guys multimillionaires? I'm in for $20. I asked my wife to increase my recruiting budget or actually start one. She said "No" but I am going to work on it. We need an AztecMesa spokesperson and maybe Caleb could be it. I think if we all pitch in a million should be pretty easy. Maybe we should start a "NIL Contribution" thread and see what we can get it up to.
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Post by standiego on Jan 7, 2022 15:16:27 GMT -8
Heard some national radio sports people today .
They said there is no surprise the SEC usually is in the best situation with every new rule change . Or a very rich Alum school that has a lot of money similar to USC , ....
So NIL , No Sit , Bowl expansion..... benefits the best or richest alum schools .
Was going to ask
Have the Aztecs added any additional guys from the Portal ? Know Cooper MacD will join his brother Caden ( is there any money for Mac Attacks NIL ?) a TE from the Huskies , DE from Tulsa , any other transfers IN ?
Guys leaving through the Portal
Did see Lucas going to Montana , One of the OL going to Nevada, any other guys agree to play at other schools ?
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Post by jdaztec on Jan 7, 2022 21:03:16 GMT -8
Yeah as far as NIL I think it will just further separate those 6-10 schools that have a lot of money and rich donors at some point a minor league for The NFL. It would be great some day to see our Aztecs win a NC but in the bigger scheme of things I like our current situation where we have a good program with good kids who actually graduate. It appears that our kids grow to be responsible young menpersonally through both our Football and Basketball programs.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Jan 10, 2022 15:00:40 GMT -8
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Post by fisherville on Jan 10, 2022 15:18:58 GMT -8
I don’t see how NIL hurts g5. If anything it will only help, 5 stars never go to g5s anyways, how does this change that? If anything i think it’s possible there will be bigger offers for 4 star guys/high level 3 stars to be big man on campus at g5s than be buried on depth chart at a power.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Jan 10, 2022 17:51:17 GMT -8
I don’t see how NIL hurts g5. If anything it will only help, 5 stars never go to g5s anyways, how does this change that? If anything i think it’s possible there will be bigger offers for 4 star guys/high level 3 stats to be big man on campus at g5s than be buried on depth chart at a power. I'm not all that knowledgeable in this area... ...but let's just say that some Aztec stud (like perhaps Cam Thomas or Matt Araiza) is projected to go in the 3-4rd round (not likely...but let's play "what if")...then it's quite possible that he could get poached by a P5 with the lure of a $1M NIL deal to play an extra year of college ball on a team that might be on national TV every weekend (I'm looking at you Notre Dame)... It's a G5 that finds/develops the 2-3* kids as frosh/soph...and then they go for a big payday at a P5... That's my fear about P5 big NIL money...
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Post by fisherville on Jan 10, 2022 23:42:37 GMT -8
I don’t see how NIL hurts g5. If anything it will only help, 5 stars never go to g5s anyways, how does this change that? If anything i think it’s possible there will be bigger offers for 4 star guys/high level 3 stats to be big man on campus at g5s than be buried on depth chart at a power. I'm not all that knowledgeable in this area... ...but let's just say that some Aztec stud (like perhaps Cam Thomas or Matt Araiza) is projected to go in the 3-4rd round (not likely...but let's play "what if")...then it's quite possible that he could get poached by a P5 with the lure of a $1M NIL deal to play an extra year of college ball on a team that might be on national TV every weekend (I'm looking at you Notre Dame)... It's a G5 that finds/develops the 2-3* kids as frosh/soph...and then they go for a big payday at a P5... That's my fear about P5 big NIL money... He can't get "poached" without entering the transfer portal first. Someone like Cam thomas as good as he is wouldn't get a 1 mil nil deal anywhere. Only QB's can approach that kind of money.
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 11, 2022 10:24:42 GMT -8
I'm not all that knowledgeable in this area... ...but let's just say that some Aztec stud (like perhaps Cam Thomas or Matt Araiza) is projected to go in the 3-4rd round (not likely...but let's play "what if")...then it's quite possible that he could get poached by a P5 with the lure of a $1M NIL deal to play an extra year of college ball on a team that might be on national TV every weekend (I'm looking at you Notre Dame)... It's a G5 that finds/develops the 2-3* kids as frosh/soph...and then they go for a big payday at a P5... That's my fear about P5 big NIL money... He can't get "poached" without entering the transfer portal first. Someone like Cam thomas as good as he is wouldn't get a 1 mil nil deal anywhere. Only QB's can approach that kind of money. No, but handlers are always reaching out to various programs to see if there is interest in their players. Happens all the time, and is often a motivation for entering the portal. Many of these kids have landing places before they even enter the portal, and in some cases have NIL estimates available to them if they do so. IMO, and as Saban & Smart have said, it's going to be the rich getting richer until their are limitations & controls placed on NIL. Right now it's the wild west. The best of the P5's will poach from the lower P5's + any G5s they want; the 2nd tier P5's will poach from the G5s; the better G5s (like us) will poach from the lesser G5s. Yes, there will be guys who couldn't cut it at a higher level who trickle down, which can help. But they're trickling down because their teams were able to poach players who are better than them. At the end of the day I don't think it hurts the better G5's as much as the lesser ones, or even the bad P5's, but the gaps between the rich & the poor are only going to get wider. As for the insanity of the portal + NIL, a mid-tier P12 team recently hired a new OC. That OC's QB decided to enter the portal, and the natural thought was he would follow his OC to the P12. However, the kid said he wasn't going to the P12 without a very good NIL deal and he set a date for his announcement. That program got a group of 8-10 boosters together they managed to create a NIL package worth $200-$250k before he made his announcement, and even then they were almost outbid by a mid-tier SEC team where they kid had no ties. He committed to the P12 only after they did so.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Jan 11, 2022 11:56:14 GMT -8
I'm not all that knowledgeable in this area... ...but let's just say that some Aztec stud (like perhaps Cam Thomas or Matt Araiza) is projected to go in the 3-4rd round (not likely...but let's play "what if")...then it's quite possible that he could get poached by a P5 with the lure of a $1M NIL deal to play an extra year of college ball on a team that might be on national TV every weekend (I'm looking at you Notre Dame)... It's a G5 that finds/develops the 2-3* kids as frosh/soph...and then they go for a big payday at a P5... That's my fear about P5 big NIL money... He can't get "poached" without entering the transfer portal first. Someone like Cam thomas as good as he is wouldn't get a 1 mil nil deal anywhere. Only QB's can approach that kind of money. $1M today...is $5M tomorrow...and is $10M the week after that...
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Post by fisherville on Jan 11, 2022 12:47:05 GMT -8
He can't get "poached" without entering the transfer portal first. Someone like Cam thomas as good as he is wouldn't get a 1 mil nil deal anywhere. Only QB's can approach that kind of money. No, but handlers are always reaching out to various programs to see if there is interest in their players. Happens all the time, and is often a motivation for entering the portal. Many of these kids have landing places before they even enter the portal, and in some cases have NIL estimates available to them if they do so. IMO, and as Saban & Smart have said, it's going to be the rich getting richer until their are limitations & controls placed on NIL. Right now it's the wild west. The best of the P5's will poach from the lower P5's + any G5s they want; the 2nd tier P5's will poach from the G5s; the better G5s (like us) will poach from the lesser G5s. Yes, there will be guys who couldn't cut it at a higher level who trickle down, which can help. But they're trickling down because their teams were able to poach players who are better than them. At the end of the day I don't think it hurts the better G5's as much as the lesser ones, or even the bad P5's, but the gaps between the rich & the poor are only going to get wider. As for the insanity of the portal + NIL, a mid-tier P12 team recently hired a new OC. That OC's QB decided to enter the portal, and the natural thought was he would follow his OC to the P12. However, the kid said he wasn't going to the P12 without a very good NIL deal and he set a date for his announcement. That program got a group of 8-10 boosters together they managed to create a NIL package worth $200-$250k before he made his announcement, and even then they were almost outbid by a mid-tier SEC team where they kid had no ties. He committed to the P12 only after they did so. I see no issue with that. If the player wants to leave, he should be able to go. Seems to me a lot of people here would feel much better if players got 0 benefits for their job. I’m all for college athletes having more freedom
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 11, 2022 15:59:33 GMT -8
No, but handlers are always reaching out to various programs to see if there is interest in their players. Happens all the time, and is often a motivation for entering the portal. Many of these kids have landing places before they even enter the portal, and in some cases have NIL estimates available to them if they do so. IMO, and as Saban & Smart have said, it's going to be the rich getting richer until their are limitations & controls placed on NIL. Right now it's the wild west. The best of the P5's will poach from the lower P5's + any G5s they want; the 2nd tier P5's will poach from the G5s; the better G5s (like us) will poach from the lesser G5s. Yes, there will be guys who couldn't cut it at a higher level who trickle down, which can help. But they're trickling down because their teams were able to poach players who are better than them. At the end of the day I don't think it hurts the better G5's as much as the lesser ones, or even the bad P5's, but the gaps between the rich & the poor are only going to get wider. As for the insanity of the portal + NIL, a mid-tier P12 team recently hired a new OC. That OC's QB decided to enter the portal, and the natural thought was he would follow his OC to the P12. However, the kid said he wasn't going to the P12 without a very good NIL deal and he set a date for his announcement. That program got a group of 8-10 boosters together they managed to create a NIL package worth $200-$250k before he made his announcement, and even then they were almost outbid by a mid-tier SEC team where they kid had no ties. He committed to the P12 only after they did so. I see no issue with that. If the player wants to leave, he should be able to go. Seems to me a lot of people here would feel much better if players got 0 benefits for their job. I’m all for college athletes having more freedom I'm all for players have more freedom as well, but I'm not in favor of it being decided on bidding wars based solely on financials & negotiations with "handlers". I think that hurts the game, and could potentially create more & more friction among teammates over time. Or send others to the portal even more so than they do now. In the P12 example above, their current 2-year starting QB jumped into the portal when they sought out this new kid, and when he left so did a couple of his OL. And again, I think this will separate the halves from the have nots even further than it does now.
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Post by hoobs on Jan 11, 2022 16:24:35 GMT -8
I agree with both of you... I like player freedom, but the money is making it very, very dirty.
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Post by missiontrails on Jan 11, 2022 18:51:39 GMT -8
The NIL is going to snowball until it's eventually declared a complete disaster for college sports. You'll see.....
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Post by aztecfred on Jan 11, 2022 19:31:17 GMT -8
The NIL is going to snowball until it's eventually declared a complete disaster for college sports. You'll see..... Can't put the genie back in the bottle! Hopefully not totally ruined before I pass on.
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Post by fisherville on Jan 11, 2022 22:50:02 GMT -8
They are getting paid for doing a job. It's very deserving, hope it expands further.
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Post by jpaztec on Jan 12, 2022 4:50:36 GMT -8
They are getting paid for doing a job. It's very deserving, hope it expands further. Let me ask you this…when a kid makes let’s say $2 MIL on a deal a few years down the road (which will certainly happen), do you think he’s going to have the slightest clue about the taxes that come along with making that much money? It’s a job right? Life, death, taxes. I have this strange feeling that this is going to do more harm than good when these 18-19-20 year olds are walking around completely Uneducated on the pitfalls of having large sums of money, and how to A) not get taken advantage of, B) not piss it away, C) how to not alienate real friends in the college realm that aren’t getting the same financial treatment, D) the list goes on. College sports are hard, 100%, but kids have been playing it for fun and a great education for 100 years, I see no reason to change that. Hell, I’d probably even be good with kicking every kid from bench to starter $10k per season to help make life a bit easier for them, but this big money stuff is BS and will kill the college sporting experience.
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