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Post by aztecryan on Mar 24, 2022 14:29:19 GMT -8
"Black Lives Matter destroyed buildings and caused billions in property damage." And then in the same vein "All lives matter" is not even subtly racist, it's out there racist. It diminishes the current struggle of the specific group of people that are being harmed - It's not productive, conducive to healthy debate or done in good faith.
Ryan, again I ask the following; if all lives don't matter, which is EXACTLY what your response to my use of that phrase amounts to, WHICH LIVES DO NOT MATTER? To say that "all lives matter" is racist is repugnant. And, while we are at it, thousands of buildings and businesses WERE destroyed in 2020 and many people were killed or injured. By the way, I don't think I said that BLM was to blame for all that. If I said that I shouldn't have, since I don't think BLM as an organization has been charged. I have no doubt that a majority of those who demonstrated against police brutality were sincere and did not resort to violence. But somebody committed all those crimes, and I don't believe they were conservatives, libertarians, or Trump supporters. As for the events of January 6th, 2021, quite a few people have been arrested and are being prosecuted. That's as it should be. How many people have been prosecuted for resorting to violence in 2020? Not many, if I am correct. Of course, many were not even arrested. Furthermore, 1-6-21 is constantly in the news, while the Summer of 2020 seems never to have happened. When I was in junior high going into high school in the mid 1950s, the worst thing you could say about someone was that he was a communist. Now the worst thing you can say is that a person is a racist. Using the modifier "casually" does not make the charge the less serious. Unfortunately, in this case I do not expect to receive the apology that I clearly deserve. AzWm PS: Ryan, just what magical powers do you possess that enables you to determine whether a person is arguing in good faith? It's not hard to spot when someone isn't arguing in good faith when they repeatedly show the same patterns over and over. Here's a perfect example: The phrase "All Lives Matter" originated in rebuking the "Black Lives Matter" movement against police brutality and racial inequality after the murder of Trayvon Martin in 2012. It's borne out of a conservative movement that plainly dismisses the reality of the subject, even after dozens and dozens of assassinations against Black citizens. Ergo, it's extremely offensive and dismissive to utilize it in this context, as I stated previously. When you diminish an entire group of people and marginalize them, that's not a great standard to set. You don't deserve an apology for repeated tone-deaf statements and poor behavior, ESPECIALLY after you double down. Drawing repeated conclusions between largely peaceful protests and an attack against a body of Congress to undermine democracy like they are somehow equal in scale is another textbook example of a bad faith argument. This is not controversial, it's common sense. You show plenty of empathy for buildings, but uh...I don't see any for the actual people who are DEAD. There's no parallel between the two. Not only are you wrong (again), as thousands of people were arrested in the wake of the Floyd protests, it illustrates a narrative that you could easily refute if you tried to. But here we are again. |
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Post by azson on Mar 24, 2022 15:37:59 GMT -8
It's close to a month now and nobody seems to want to explain just what "no-brainer" I am missing in this case. As I stated earlier, I believe the trial of the three accused was a fair one. I also believe that the sentences given McMichaels and Brian were reasonable. So, again I ask, what am I missing? The only issue I raised was why Brian did not receive the same sentence that was given the other two. It's a very minor point, especially since in any event the three men are almost certainly going to die in prison. On Feb 17th, azson posted the following: I might be wrong, but this thread strikes me as yet another example of AW being obtuse to what is otherwise a no-brainer to the rest of us, in this case a modern day lynching, plain and simple.Well, azson, you are wrong. I just can't ignore what I see as the ugly implication of your post. To me, all lives matter equally. To kill another human deliberately and unjustifiably is the worst thing anyone can do. I do not need to call the senseless and unnecessary death of Ahmaud Arbery a lynching. It was a murder, no more or less horrific than, for example, the ambush murders of police officers. (Check this:https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/more-officers-dying-by-ambush-new-research-shows/) I said that I detected an ugly implication in your post. That implication is a not very subtle suggestion that I may not be much concerned when a minority American is murdered by Caucasian Americans. Of course, I could be mistaken. You may not have not intended to imply any such thing. I certainly hope my reaction was unjustified. But if that's the case, my question remains unanswered; just what "no-brainer" am I missing? AzWm If you want to be read by/a response from me then use the quote function. Otherwise I don't get a notification and a month or more might go by without seeing it. That said, Ryan summed it up nicely above. And since after all this time you still don't seem to get it (I'll give you the benefit of a doubt, the alternative is you are being disingenuous and know exactly what we're talking about here and in other threads), here is yet another instructional piece on why "all lives matter" comes across as a racist dog whistle: theconversation.com/why-is-it-so-offensive-to-say-all-lives-matter-153188 |
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 31, 2022 20:26:44 GMT -8
It's close to a month now and nobody seems to want to explain just what "no-brainer" I am missing in this case. As I stated earlier, I believe the trial of the three accused was a fair one. I also believe that the sentences given McMichaels and Brian were reasonable. So, again I ask, what am I missing? The only issue I raised was why Brian did not receive the same sentence that was given the other two. It's a very minor point, especially since in any event the three men are almost certainly going to die in prison. On Feb 17th, azson posted the following: I might be wrong, but this thread strikes me as yet another example of AW being obtuse to what is otherwise a no-brainer to the rest of us, in this case a modern day lynching, plain and simple.Well, azson, you are wrong. I just can't ignore what I see as the ugly implication of your post. To me, all lives matter equally. To kill another human deliberately and unjustifiably is the worst thing anyone can do. I do not need to call the senseless and unnecessary death of Ahmaud Arbery a lynching. It was a murder, no more or less horrific than, for example, the ambush murders of police officers. (Check this:https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/more-officers-dying-by-ambush-new-research-shows/) I said that I detected an ugly implication in your post. That implication is a not very subtle suggestion that I may not be much concerned when a minority American is murdered by Caucasian Americans. Of course, I could be mistaken. You may not have not intended to imply any such thing. I certainly hope my reaction was unjustified. But if that's the case, my question remains unanswered; just what "no-brainer" am I missing? AzWm If you want to be read by/a response from me then use the quote function. Otherwise I don't get a notification and a month or more might go by without seeing it. That said, Ryan summed it up nicely above. And since after all this time you still don't seem to get it (I'll give you the benefit of a doubt, the alternative is you are being disingenuous and know exactly what we're talking about here and in other threads), here is yet another instructional piece on why "all lives matter" comes across as a racist dog whistle: theconversation.com/why-is-it-so-offensive-to-say-all-lives-matter-153188Strange how quiet it got in here when the faux outrage and indignation went away. |
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