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Post by ptsdthor on Nov 20, 2021 6:13:54 GMT -8
You do recall the Sagon Penn trial here in San Diego, don't you? His Constitutional right to justified self defense allowed him shoot and kill one cop, shoot and run over another cop with a stolen squad car and also shoot a completely innocent and non-threatening civilian ride along. And all while he was a person of color. It is just woke idiocy that says if Kyle was a person of color that he would be convicted of murder, etc. How little you think of your/our fellow Americans. Oh wait...rather, its how little you actually think and how much you just repeat what you are told to say. I can't think of anyone I could care to hear from less on this topic. It is, after all, all about you. Need a Safe Space? |
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Post by North County Aztec on Nov 20, 2021 14:46:03 GMT -8
Your post is disappointing. You know very well that Kyle Rittenhouse was found innocent. To call him a murderer is to reject the jury system. Clearly, this case was much, much more complicated than much of the media reported at first. When even one of the prosecution witnesses supports the defense, you know that something is wrong with the original narrative. Also, the prosecutor claimed at first that Rittenhouse chased one the the victims. It quickly became clear that the reverse was actually true. Again, either you accept the verdict of the court, or you don't. Juries are not immune from error, but in the main, I think our system is pretty good. Could be better, of course, but in this case it's clear that a verdict of not guilty did not come our of think air. You could back to the sham of a trial of the accused killers of Emit Till if you'd like to cite an unjust verdict. But --- let's see --- that's when I was in junior high, and I now have grand children in their 20s. Check the calendar; it's 2021, not 1955. AzWm Eric Garner - Dead Philando Castile - Dead Tamir Rice - Dead Laquan McDonald - Dead Oscar Grant - Dead Ronnell Foster - Dead George Floyd - Dead Jacob Blake - DeadWillie McCoy - Dead (Shot by the same officer who killed Ronnell Foster) Those men didn't get a jury, they got a bullet, or in McCoy's case, 55 of them. None of those occurred in 1955. But, yes, let's uphold the notion that we have to respect "the system" because...why again? The system is corrupt and broken, a total joke. Now we know where you get your news. Jacob Blake is not dead |
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Post by Obsidian Edge on Nov 20, 2021 15:25:31 GMT -8
Eric Garner - Dead Philando Castile - Dead Tamir Rice - Dead Laquan McDonald - Dead Oscar Grant - Dead Ronnell Foster - Dead George Floyd - Dead Jacob Blake - DeadWillie McCoy - Dead (Shot by the same officer who killed Ronnell Foster) Those men didn't get a jury, they got a bullet, or in McCoy's case, 55 of them. None of those occurred in 1955. But, yes, let's uphold the notion that we have to respect "the system" because...why again? The system is corrupt and broken, a total joke. Now we know where you get your news. Jacob Blake is not dead How many of those names listed weren't prior violent offenders, with drugs or alcohol in their system several times legal or fatal limits, trying to take weapons from the cops, ignoring screams to desist, and/or in the process of actually assaulting a cop? |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 20, 2021 15:39:58 GMT -8
Now we know where you get your news. Jacob Blake is not dead How many of those names listed weren't prior violent offenders, with drugs or alcohol in their system several times legal or fatal limits, trying to take weapons from the cops, ignoring screams to desist, and/or in the process of actually assaulting a cop? Exactly, and just about any time a white man kills a person of color the radicals come out and automatically make it a race issue. Heck, even if it's a white on white crime they'll find a way to make it a race issue as evidenced in the Rittenhouse case. Ridiculous and SO irresponsible. My black friend is also fed up with how watered down the term racism has become. These liberal radicals are making everything out to be out race. Horrible. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 20, 2021 16:06:10 GMT -8
Eric Garner - Dead Philando Castile - Dead Tamir Rice - Dead Laquan McDonald - Dead Oscar Grant - Dead Ronnell Foster - Dead George Floyd - Dead Jacob Blake - DeadWillie McCoy - Dead (Shot by the same officer who killed Ronnell Foster) Those men didn't get a jury, they got a bullet, or in McCoy's case, 55 of them. None of those occurred in 1955. But, yes, let's uphold the notion that we have to respect "the system" because...why again? The system is corrupt and broken, a total joke. Now we know where you get your news. Jacob Blake is not dead Congrats, you found a typo. Jacob Blake is permanently paralyzed. I was going to correct it last night and decided not to bother. If that's your lone takeaway from that post, I mean.... Tamir Rice was 12 years old. That's the kind of stuff that really matters. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 20, 2021 16:09:01 GMT -8
How many of those names listed weren't prior violent offenders, with drugs or alcohol in their system several times legal or fatal limits, trying to take weapons from the cops, ignoring screams to desist, and/or in the process of actually assaulting a cop? Exactly, and just about any time a white man kills a person of color the radicals come out and automatically make it a race issue. Heck, even if it's a white on white crime they'll find a way to make it a race issue as evidenced in the Rittenhouse case. Ridiculous and SO irresponsible. My black friend is also fed up with how watered down the term racism has become. These liberal radicals are making everything out to be out race. Horrible. What's horrible is your ignorance and the fact you perpetuate blind idealism. "My black friend" doesn't give a rat's ass about your lack of integrity. You're not black, you have no earthly idea. You're just trying to use that as a crutch to insinuate you have some semblance of a notion on what racial struggle is like. You're better off just not saying anything. Not only is it offensive and demeaning, it's grossly irresponsible. Your lack of understanding on this topic is glaring - You're trying to use false characterizations here to justify your bogus outrage. Failing miserably. What was said has nothing to do with Rittenhouse specifically. It has EVERYTHING to do with a culture of inequality and a broken system where people of color are inherently at risk at a much higher rate. That's a fact. It's not even arguable. It's statistics, plain and simple. I mean, you could do just a TINY bit of research and have some kind of clue here, but you'd prefer to just echo other people's racism. Oscar Grant was on parole after serving time for gun possession. He was shot by an officer in Oakland. He was unarmed. He was held down with a knee to the face. That officer served a whopping 11 months for involuntary manslaughter, 5 months SHORTER than Grant's sentence for possessing a gun. Please, continue to lecture me on how this is somehow just and deserved. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 20, 2021 16:09:51 GMT -8
Now we know where you get your news. Jacob Blake is not dead How many of those names listed weren't prior violent offenders, with drugs or alcohol in their system several times legal or fatal limits, trying to take weapons from the cops, ignoring screams to desist, and/or in the process of actually assaulting a cop? Tamir Rice was 12 years old. Having a criminal record is in no way justification to be shot by the police. I'm done responding to trash. |
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Post by North County Aztec on Nov 20, 2021 16:15:23 GMT -8
Now we know where you get your news. Jacob Blake is not dead Congrats, you found a typo. Jacob Blake is permanently paralyzed. I was going to correct it last night and decided not to bother. If that's your lone takeaway from that post, I mean.... Tamir Rice was 12 years old. That's the kind of stuff that really matters. Oh a typo, yes. That seems to be a common theme with your posts. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 20, 2021 16:17:38 GMT -8
Congrats, you found a typo. Jacob Blake is permanently paralyzed. I was going to correct it last night and decided not to bother. If that's your lone takeaway from that post, I mean.... Tamir Rice was 12 years old. That's the kind of stuff that really matters. Oh a typo, yes. That seems to be a common theme with your posts. Nice reach there. It doesn't bother you to not care about the senseless killing of a child? We'd rather talk about Jacob Blake's paralysis. The irony here is that the list of the actual dead is so long that it *was* a typo because I'm so used to the names of those actually dead. Very few actually LIVE. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 20, 2021 16:25:55 GMT -8
Exactly, and just about any time a white man kills a person of color the radicals come out and automatically make it a race issue. Heck, even if it's a white on white crime they'll find a way to make it a race issue as evidenced in the Rittenhouse case. Ridiculous and SO irresponsible. My black friend is also fed up with how watered down the term racism has become. These liberal radicals are making everything out to be out race. Horrible. What's horrible is your ignorance and the fact you perpetuate blind idealism. "My black friend" doesn't give a rat's ass about your lack of integrity. You're not black, you have no earthly idea. You're just trying to use that as a crutch to insinuate you have some semblance of a notion on what racial struggle is like. You're better off just not saying anything. Not only is it offensive and demeaning, it's grossly irresponsible. Ha!!! It's coming straight from a black individual's perspective and from MANY other black individual's. There's testimonies on video of this everywhere. You're just butt hurt because it goes against your radical, liberal thinking. And, you think with your gigantic, I'm more intelligent than everyone else attitude/ego, if people don't think just as you do, they're racist, and dumb. Shame on you, again. Of course you want to shut me up and other's so you can try to own the forum with your radical views. There's many blacks that don't like to play the victim card, and my friend is one of them. Actually, YOU'RE better off staying out of these discussions since your radical views make you look bad, and someone that has zero qualities in how to evaluate a situation. Every single case to you is about the same thing, racism. Shame on you. You're no crusader. If anything, your views perpetuate riots and that's horrible. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 20, 2021 16:26:24 GMT -8
How many of those names listed weren't prior violent offenders, with drugs or alcohol in their system several times legal or fatal limits, trying to take weapons from the cops, ignoring screams to desist, and/or in the process of actually assaulting a cop? Tamir Rice was 12 years old. Having a criminal record is in no way justification to be shot by the police. I'm done responding to trash. Uh huh..... |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 20, 2021 16:29:04 GMT -8
Now we know where you get your news. Jacob Blake is not dead How many of those names listed weren't prior violent offenders, with drugs or alcohol in their system several times legal or fatal limits, trying to take weapons from the cops, ignoring screams to desist, and/or in the process of actually assaulting a cop? He won't answer this, or if he does, get ready for the spin. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 20, 2021 16:30:54 GMT -8
What's horrible is your ignorance and the fact you perpetuate blind idealism. "My black friend" doesn't give a rat's ass about your lack of integrity. You're not black, you have no earthly idea. You're just trying to use that as a crutch to insinuate you have some semblance of a notion on what racial struggle is like. You're better off just not saying anything. Not only is it offensive and demeaning, it's grossly irresponsible. Ha!!! It's coming straight from a black individual's perspective and from MANY other black individual's. There's testimonies on video of this everywhere. You're just butt hurt because it goes against your radical, liberal thinking. And, you think with your gigantic, I'm more intelligent than everyone else attitude/ego, if people don't think just as you do, they're racist, and dumb. Shame on you, again. Of course you want to shut me up and other's so you can try to own the forum with your radical views. There's many blacks that don't like to play the victim card, and my friend is one of them. Actually, YOU'RE better off staying out of these discussions since your radical views make you look bad, and someone that has zero qualities in how to evaluate a situation. Every single case to you is about the same thing, racism. Shame on you. You're no crusader. If anything, your views perpetuate riots and that's horrible. We've lost society if you think my views about people not deserving to be shot are "radical." My views perpetuate riots? No, the systemic killing of people does that. Tell me why George Floyd deserved to die for allegedly passing a counterfeit 20 dollar bill. Is that supposed to be punishable by death? I'm confused there. My views don't make me look bad. They are intelligent, articulated and thought out. Yours are unoriginal, idiotic and senseless. You literally just justified murdering Black people on the basis of their criminal history. Spoiler alert - That's racism personified. You just condoned the police killing a 12 year old for holding an Airsoft gun. But my views are the problem? |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 20, 2021 16:31:42 GMT -8
How many of those names listed weren't prior violent offenders, with drugs or alcohol in their system several times legal or fatal limits, trying to take weapons from the cops, ignoring screams to desist, and/or in the process of actually assaulting a cop? He won't answer this, or if he does, get ready for the spin. I said I was done responding to trash. Maybe you can answer it for me. You just condoned killing a kid. |
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Post by North County Aztec on Nov 20, 2021 16:35:02 GMT -8
Oh a typo, yes. That seems to be a common theme with your posts. Nice reach there. It doesn't bother you to not care about the senseless killing of a child? We'd rather talk about Jacob Blake's paralysis. The irony here is that the list of the actual dead is so long that it *was* a typo because I'm so used to the names of those actually dead. Very few actually LIVE. One gun is a real pistol the other gun is a pellet pistol with the safety tip removed that Rice pointed at the police officer. It was not a toy like the MSM proclaims. The safety tip has a purpose, that is to distinguish it from a deadly weapon. Perhaps there is a parenting problem and not a cop problem. Real facts not typos.  |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 20, 2021 16:41:34 GMT -8
Nice reach there. It doesn't bother you to not care about the senseless killing of a child? We'd rather talk about Jacob Blake's paralysis. The irony here is that the list of the actual dead is so long that it *was* a typo because I'm so used to the names of those actually dead. Very few actually LIVE. One gun is a real pistol the other gun is a pellet pistol with the safety tip removed that Rice pointed at the police officer. It was not a toy like the MSM proclaims. The safety tip has a purpose, that is to distinguish it from a deadly weapon. Perhaps there is a parenting problem and not a cop problem. Oh totally - It's not as if the officer who pulled the trigger was on scene for less than 2 seconds before doing so. It's not like he didn't render aid after the shooting, right? Oops. It's not like he was fired for emotional instability or anything. It's not like video analysis confirmed he wasn't reaching for the gun. It's not like the responding officer knew the difference, anyway. Stop this nonsense. |
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Post by Obsidian Edge on Nov 20, 2021 16:44:15 GMT -8
He won't answer this, or if he does, get ready for the spin. I said I was done responding to trash. Maybe you can answer it for me. You just condoned killing a kid. I did? You mean I left out the one case where a cop mistakenly shot a kid wielding a fake handgun. My question to you is, do you really think most police drive around hunting black people to kill? Or is it possible that out of the millions of police interactions a year there might be some tragic incidents the media fixates on to portray a certain narrative? |
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Post by North County Aztec on Nov 20, 2021 16:49:04 GMT -8
One gun is a real pistol the other gun is a pellet pistol with the safety tip removed that Rice pointed at the police officer. It was not a toy like the MSM proclaims. The safety tip has a purpose, that is to distinguish it from a deadly weapon. Perhaps there is a parenting problem and not a cop problem. Oh totally - It's not as if the officer who pulled the trigger was on scene for less than 2 seconds before doing so. It's not like he didn't render aid after the shooting, right? Oops. It's not like he was fired for emotional instability or anything. It's not like video analysis confirmed he wasn't reaching for the gun. It's not like the responding officer knew the difference, anyway. Stop this nonsense. There you go again, another typo. It wasn't 2 seconds it was 10 seconds. Keep it up you are on a roll. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 20, 2021 17:00:35 GMT -8
Oh totally - It's not as if the officer who pulled the trigger was on scene for less than 2 seconds before doing so. It's not like he didn't render aid after the shooting, right? Oops. It's not like he was fired for emotional instability or anything. It's not like video analysis confirmed he wasn't reaching for the gun. It's not like the responding officer knew the difference, anyway. Stop this nonsense. There you go again, another typo. It wasn't 2 seconds it was 10 seconds. Keep it up you are on a roll. Want to try again? Also, reread what you just wrote. You are defending a cop's actions like there's a monumental difference between two seconds and ten. We're talking about a kid who is TWELVE. A kid who wasn't reaching for his fake gun. The officers didn't..even...get....out...of...the..car. I cannot fathom that this is a hill to die on, let alone disagree on. If we cannot fundamentally agree that Tamir Rice's shooting was a complete breakdown of authority and a miscarriage of justice....what are we even doing? I'm at a loss. |
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Post by Obsidian Edge on Nov 20, 2021 17:12:22 GMT -8
There you go again, another typo. It wasn't 2 seconds it was 10 seconds. Keep it up you are on a roll. Want to try again? Also, reread what you just wrote. You are defending a cop's actions like there's a monumental difference between two seconds and ten. We're talking about a kid who is TWELVE. A kid who wasn't reaching for his fake gun. I cannot fathom that this is a hill to die on, let alone disagree on. If we cannot fundamentally agree that Tamir Rice's shooting was a complete breakdown of authority and a miscarriage of justice....what are we even doing? We can agree it was a tragedy. The fact is the kid had a toy that wasn't distinguishable from a gun and cops have to make split second decisions on whether or not to use lethal force once guns are involved. Cops are killed every week in the line of duty in this country. Their life is on the line every time they make a traffic stop let alone respond to a scene with a possible shooter. I'm not making excuses, it just is what it is. You're using examples like this as evidence for some crusade that all police everywhere are irredeemibly racist and that's the only explanation you will accept. |
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