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Post by aztecryan on Nov 19, 2021 16:31:58 GMT -8
Why can't you ever just respond with something of substance? Your echo chamber is very small if you truly believe that you're on the side of the majority here. Fox News, Newsmax, Candace Owens. Beyond that, we don't need to promote/uphold white supremacy. Skirt around it all you want. Are you going to answer the question? By the way I should have said, "not" murder. Not skirting around anything. I don't know what you're specifically talking about here. Chances are you're conflating two things together to make a disingenuous false comparison. I said there was no "murder" statute in Wisconsin, which is true. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Nov 19, 2021 16:48:23 GMT -8
What fundamental issue do we need to agree upon in order to understand each other? Two systems of justice, Rittenhouse had no business being in Kenosha, no business parading his gun around intimidating people and should never have involved himself in a situation where "self-defense" was necessary. If I go to another city with an AR-15, I don't expect peace. And I'm not 17 years old on top of it. I don't see how agreeing that the justice system isn't always just changes the facts in this case. I agree the justice system isn't always just. I don't think it is a simple as "two systems of justice", but I agree the justice system isn't always fair or just. But it is not a simple single variable situation. Anyway, all of your "no business" stuff is just victim blaming. "You know, looking like that, around a crowd like this, you are just asking to get attacked..." That sounds like something I've heard before... So given that we agree at least that the justice system isn't alway just, why do you want an innocent man to go to jail? |
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Post by Obsidian Edge on Nov 19, 2021 16:52:03 GMT -8
I get it, you always talk about stats from long ago and I agree that it was horrible back then. Fortunately, times have changed some and all walks of life are getting more fairly judged. What the hell are you talking about? Long ago? Ahmaud Arbery was killed in 2020. That was last year. Are you this ignorant, truly, that you really think the scales of justice have balance to them? On average, Black offenders get sentenced 19.1% longer than similarly situated White offenders. 19.1%. But please, pretend that we live in a utopia where punishment is exacted in a fair and equal manner. You're kidding yourself. I would avoid using statistics that may or may not be decades old and/or massaged by professors with a serious political axe to grind. Just saying. I learned a long time ago to question long-held assumptions and statistics. Generally they turn out to be complete bs. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 19, 2021 16:57:11 GMT -8
Two systems of justice, Rittenhouse had no business being in Kenosha, no business parading his gun around intimidating people and should never have involved himself in a situation where "self-defense" was necessary. If I go to another city with an AR-15, I don't expect peace. And I'm not 17 years old on top of it. I don't see how agreeing that the justice system isn't always just changes the facts in this case. I agree the justice system isn't always just. I don't think it is a simple as "two systems of justice", but I agree the justice system isn't always fair or just. But it is not a simple single variable situation. Anyway, all of your "no business" stuff is just victim blaming. "You know, looking like that, around a crowd like this, you are just asking to get attacked..." That sounds like something I've heard before... So given that we agree at least that the justice system isn't alway just, why do you want an innocent man to go to jail? Kyle Rittenhouse is not a victim, nor is he innocent of wrongdoing. This is why I didn't want to bother. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 19, 2021 16:57:51 GMT -8
What the hell are you talking about? Long ago? Ahmaud Arbery was killed in 2020. That was last year. Are you this ignorant, truly, that you really think the scales of justice have balance to them? On average, Black offenders get sentenced 19.1% longer than similarly situated White offenders. 19.1%. But please, pretend that we live in a utopia where punishment is exacted in a fair and equal manner. You're kidding yourself. I would avoid using statistics that may or may not be decades old and/or massaged by professors with a serious political axe to grind. Just saying. I learned a long time ago to question long-held assumptions and statistics. Generally they turn out to be complete bs. ....No. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Nov 19, 2021 17:10:05 GMT -8
I don't see how agreeing that the justice system isn't always just changes the facts in this case. I agree the justice system isn't always just. I don't think it is a simple as "two systems of justice", but I agree the justice system isn't always fair or just. But it is not a simple single variable situation. Anyway, all of your "no business" stuff is just victim blaming. "You know, looking like that, around a crowd like this, you are just asking to get attacked..." That sounds like something I've heard before... So given that we agree at least that the justice system isn't alway just, why do you want an innocent man to go to jail? Kyle Rittenhouse is not a victim, nor is he innocent of wrongdoing. This is why I didn't want to bother. Actually he was a victim of assault, that is why he did not get convicted of murder. Plus he has been victimized by the press. And of course he was victimized by the prosecution because he was unjustly charged with a crime. But we can agree to disagree.. |
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Post by Obsidian Edge on Nov 19, 2021 17:19:58 GMT -8
I would avoid using statistics that may or may not be decades old and/or massaged by professors with a serious political axe to grind. Just saying. I learned a long time ago to question long-held assumptions and statistics. Generally they turn out to be complete bs. ....No. Or you can reflexively regurgitate without questioning. Lol. So what study are you citing and how did they arrive at those "similarly situated" (inherently subjective) statistics?  |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 19, 2021 17:24:40 GMT -8
Kyle Rittenhouse is not a victim, nor is he innocent of wrongdoing. This is why I didn't want to bother. Actually he was a victim of assault, that is why he did not get convicted of murder. Plus he has been victimized by the press. And of course he was victimized by the prosecution because he was unjustly charged with a crime. But we can agree to disagree.. Yeah, because that's ludicrous. Enabling this is just as bad. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 19, 2021 17:25:20 GMT -8
Or you can reflexively regurgitate without questioning. Lol. So what study are you citing and how did they arrive at those "similarly situated" (inherently subjective) statistics? I don't take you seriously. Pass. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Nov 19, 2021 17:35:50 GMT -8
No, what is ludicrous, actually evil, is wanting someone to go to jail for a crime they didn't commit.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 19, 2021 17:46:31 GMT -8
No, what is ludicrous, actually evil, is wanting someone to go to jail for a crime they didn't commit. So they shot themselves? Can we send the AR-15 to prison? If I go to Escondido with a gun and shoot two people, I can claim self-defense. It's just that easy, right? Cry some crocodile tears and then go on Tucker's show to brag how I beat the rap. Again, this sets a precedent to where a kid can take the law into his own hands and kill people without consequences. He's already being turned into a conservative hero. The problem is that future instances in this same vein will not be adjudicated in the same manner. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Nov 19, 2021 17:53:50 GMT -8
No, Kyle shot them, after they assaulted him.
I've seen people open carry, I can't just go and assault them. I mean I could, but I might get shot.
*The ramifications of Kyle being charged and acquitted is a different topic than whether he is guilty or not.
We could probably get into property rights, gun rights and other stuff...
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Post by Obsidian Edge on Nov 19, 2021 18:00:04 GMT -8
Or you can reflexively regurgitate without questioning. Lol. So what study are you citing and how did they arrive at those "similarly situated" (inherently subjective) statistics? I don't take you seriously. Pass. Says the guy who was just chastising others for not "saying anything of substance" and criticizing the cogency of their arguments. Yet when pushed on your own facts, you hide. |
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Post by Obsidian Edge on Nov 19, 2021 18:03:36 GMT -8
No, what is ludicrous, actually evil, is wanting someone to go to jail for a crime they didn't commit. So they shot themselves? Can we send the AR-15 to prison? If I go to Escondido with a gun and shoot two people, I can claim self-defense. It's just that easy, right? Cry some crocodile tears and then go on Tucker's show to brag how I beat the rap. Again, this sets a precedent to where a kid can take the law into his own hands and kill people without consequences. He's already being turned into a conservative hero. The problem is that future instances in this same vein will not be adjudicated in the same manner. 1. It is not against the law to open carry a long gun in Kenosha. 2. Rioters with lengthy criminal records threatened Kyle and chased him alongside a mob as he tried to flee. 3. They physically assaulted him. One with a blunt object. 4. He shot those who assaulted him after he felt his life was in danger. Do you dispute any of the above? There could not be a more cut and dry case of self defense. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 19, 2021 18:04:25 GMT -8
I don't take you seriously. Pass. Says the guy who was just chastising others for not "saying anything of substance" and criticizing the cogency of their arguments. Yet when pushed on your own facts, you hide. Hiding? Nobody is hiding. I'm right here. I just don't feel the need to justify myself to someone who is clearly trolling. Sorry, you're not entitled to whatever you want, even here. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 19, 2021 18:05:10 GMT -8
No, Kyle shot them, after they assaulted him. I've seen people open carry, I can't just go and assault them. I mean I could, but I might get shot. *The ramifications of Kyle being charged and acquitted is a different topic than whether he is guilty or not. We could probably get into property rights, gun rights and other stuff... I think we've run our course. |
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Post by Obsidian Edge on Nov 19, 2021 18:06:07 GMT -8
Says the guy who was just chastising others for not "saying anything of substance" and criticizing the cogency of their arguments. Yet when pushed on your own facts, you hide. Hiding? Nobody is hiding. I'm right here. I just don't feel the need to justify myself to someone who is clearly trolling. Sorry, you're not entitled to whatever you want, even here. The age-old, "you're a troll" tactic. Pathetic. |
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 19, 2021 18:08:40 GMT -8
Why not accelerate the inevitable population reduction? Open carry SDSU, Viejas..why not? Man if they had that when I went to school..the frat houses would have looked like Swiss cheese.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 19, 2021 18:09:35 GMT -8
Hiding? Nobody is hiding. I'm right here. I just don't feel the need to justify myself to someone who is clearly trolling. Sorry, you're not entitled to whatever you want, even here. The age-old, "you're a troll" tactic. Pathetic. Considering you just created an account last week, and your immediate posting history on a variety of topics, yeah, I'm comfortable with that position. Sorry to disappoint you. I will tell you that the source utilized to provide that data is not watered down by anything, nor is it decades old. |
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Post by Obsidian Edge on Nov 19, 2021 18:13:21 GMT -8
Why not accelerate the inevitable population reduction? Open carry SDSU, Viejas..why not? Man if they had that when I went to school..the frat houses would have looked like Swiss cheese. The thing about open carry and self defense is that you have to be assaulted, and have reason to believe your life is in danger, for the use of force to be legal. You can't open carry and shoot whoever you want. That would be illegal. Or are you just joking? |
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