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Post by 84aztec96 on Oct 22, 2021 19:23:42 GMT -8
Maybe, but not murder...which is what he is being charged with. Yeah, I disagree there. After watching all the video footage, you think that Kyle committed MURDER! You can't be serious. I guess it is upsetting to me because I don't see how anyone can actually think that after watching the footage. You do understand that Kyle was actually running away from the first guy he shot right? The guy corners Kyle, (there is a gun shot from across the street from a protester) Kyle stops and the guy tries to GRAB HIS GUN! And Kyle shoots him...That is NOT murder... |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 22, 2021 20:11:27 GMT -8
After watching all the video footage, you think that Kyle committed MURDER! You can't be serious. I guess it is upsetting to me because I don't see how anyone can actually think that after watching the footage. You do understand that Kyle was actually running away from the first guy he shot right? The guy corners Kyle, (there is a gun shot from across the street from a protester) Kyle stops and the guy tries to GRAB HIS GUN! And Kyle shoots him...That is NOT murder... I'm of the opinion that the tape doesn't show everything that you need to form an opinion and there is a ton of gray area involved. I don't want to hijack this thread so I'll leave it there. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Oct 22, 2021 20:31:28 GMT -8
But apparently you have formed an opinion, because you insinuated that Kyle killed bystanders at a protest. He did not. All available video evidence that I have seen (including the likely reason the guy chased Kyle (Kyle helped put out a dumpster fire) show that Kyle acted in self defense and should not be charged with a crime. If evidence comes out that is different, I'll change my mind.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 22, 2021 20:54:19 GMT -8
But apparently you have formed an opinion, because you insinuated that Kyle killed bystanders at a protest. He did not. All available video evidence that I have seen (including the likely reason the guy chased Kyle (Kyle helped put out a dumpster fire) show that Kyle acted in self defense and should not be charged with a crime. If evidence comes out that is different, I'll change my mind. You could argue he shouldn't be charged with murder, but he committed multiple crimes. That's not up for debate. You can't transport weapons across state lines, for example. Reckless endangerment is absolutely a crime, too. As is unlawful possession of a weapon. You have a 17-year-old with a vigilante complex that had no business being there in the first place. Now, back to vaccines. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Oct 22, 2021 21:17:53 GMT -8
The main crime against him is murder. He wouldn't be charged with anything if he had not been attacked and defended himself.
Edit: And I have to add...HE shouldn't be there? How about the people burning $#!+ down...They are the ones that should not be there...
2nd Edit: Big picture, this is why the Kyle situation bothers me so much...
One group of people are there to destroy property (not all protesters, but all rioters)
One group is there to protect property.
People that want to destroy property, attack a person that is there to protect property.
The person that was attacked and lawfully defended himself is put in jail and faces multiple criminal chargers including murder.
People destroying property and/or attacking person (three that are alive, one that was armed), do not face charges.
Now you can get back to forcing people (healthy young ones, then children) to get the shot...which will need a booster? and another booster? and....
And not allowing those that get fired for not taking the shot to get unemployment??? Is that right? Isn't that lovely...
"All governments suffer a recurring problem: power attracts pathological personalities"...Frank Herbert...I just looked that one up, but it fits.
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Post by azteccc on Oct 23, 2021 0:59:57 GMT -8
Resident leftist here. Mandates very, very bad. I am endlessly surprised and disappointed by those on the left cheering this on, which seems to be most of them these days. It is madness. Mandates have eradicated measles, mumps, and rubella for the most part. How is that bad? The war on covid is going to be exactly like the war on drugs or the war in afghanistan... 20 year losers. Covid is here, and it isn't going anywhere, it is endemic. Australia is a great example of how enforced lockdowns don't work. City to city/state to state comparisons in the US are great examples of how mask mandates don't really help. Israel is a great example of how the world's highest vaccination rates don't really get a population to where they thought they'd be, with some added info on how vaccine passports can be used to restrict freedoms at the drop of a hat based on medical decisions. Us liberals are supposed to be pro-choice, right? Like... we're pro-choice because a woman's body is her own and she has autonomy? I mean, that's what I believe in. I have yet to be convinced how this is different. And does the vaccine work, or not? Because if it does, why does it matter to me or you whether someone else gets it? And if it doesn't, why in hell are we mandating people take it? And okay... say we concede everything else... My earnest question is how many boosters do we allow the government to mandate on us? Endless? Like, are we signing up for this for life? I'd like someone to tell me what infection rate, what death number or case count, SOME METRIC that we can hit to remove these restrictions we are willingly handing over to the government. The leftists that don't understand this is the Patriot Act all over again but on steroids and in physical form boggle my mind. The only argument I've heard that holds weight is overcrowded hospitals. Except, I haven't seen it happen once. I've seen moaning about the possibility, but never the actuality. In fact, the situation is so dire in New York that they were able to fire the front line heros for not getting the vaccine? I guess heroes turn into villians really quickly, and I guess we don't need all the help we can get in the health system. I dunno. We can't have medicare for all and people die every die because they can't afford insulin, but by golly they're gonna make sure you get the jab. All I need to know about the seriousness of the pandemic at this point is Newsom at Laundry, Breed firing City workers the same day she's drunk dancing in a bar, and Obama cutting his Martha's Vineyard party from 250 to 180. What world am I living in where we are allowing vast swaths of people to lose their freedoms and livelihoods over a medical decision? We are signing ourselves up for a two-tiered society. These mandates oddly enough have great carveouts for the strongest unions and biggest donors and congressional staffs. I mean, cheers to the unions for doing their jobs, but jesus. I'm really big on following the science, but the liberals in charge left the science in the dust about a year ago. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 23, 2021 10:45:00 GMT -8
Mandates have eradicated measles, mumps, and rubella for the most part. How is that bad? The war on covid is going to be exactly like the war on drugs or the war in afghanistan... 20 year losers. Covid is here, and it isn't going anywhere, it is endemic. Australia is a great example of how enforced lockdowns don't work. City to city/state to state comparisons in the US are great examples of how mask mandates don't really help. Israel is a great example of how the world's highest vaccination rates don't really get a population to where they thought they'd be, with some added info on how vaccine passports can be used to restrict freedoms at the drop of a hat based on medical decisions. Us liberals are supposed to be pro-choice, right? Like... we're pro-choice because a woman's body is her own and she has autonomy? I mean, that's what I believe in. I have yet to be convinced how this is different. And does the vaccine work, or not? Because if it does, why does it matter to me or you whether someone else gets it? And if it doesn't, why in hell are we mandating people take it? And okay... say we concede everything else... My earnest question is how many boosters do we allow the government to mandate on us? Endless? Like, are we signing up for this for life? I'd like someone to tell me what infection rate, what death number or case count, SOME METRIC that we can hit to remove these restrictions we are willingly handing over to the government. The leftists that don't understand this is the Patriot Act all over again but on steroids and in physical form boggle my mind. The only argument I've heard that holds weight is overcrowded hospitals. Except, I haven't seen it happen once. I've seen moaning about the possibility, but never the actuality. In fact, the situation is so dire in New York that they were able to fire the front line heros for not getting the vaccine? I guess heroes turn into villians really quickly, and I guess we don't need all the help we can get in the health system. I dunno. We can't have medicare for all and people die every die because they can't afford insulin, but by golly they're gonna make sure you get the jab. All I need to know about the seriousness of the pandemic at this point is Newsom at Laundry, Breed firing City workers the same day she's drunk dancing in a bar, and Obama cutting his Martha's Vineyard party from 250 to 180. What world am I living in where we are allowing vast swaths of people to lose their freedoms and livelihoods over a medical decision? We are signing ourselves up for a two-tiered society. These mandates oddly enough have great carveouts for the strongest unions and biggest donors and congressional staffs. I mean, cheers to the unions for doing their jobs, but jesus. I'm really big on following the science, but the liberals in charge left the science in the dust about a year ago. I agree with your Covid Mandate stance. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 23, 2021 13:10:55 GMT -8
"Something something, dems as bad Stalin/Mao/Hitler, something something." Do you know any other songs? No, because that would require the truth and not satirical fiction. I missed how many bystanders were killed by BLM protests, must have been a boatload. I do remember Kyle Rittenhouse though shooting multiple people and transporting weapons across state lines illegally. And that whole January 6th thing, lest we forget. Vaccine mandates have existed for centuries. This is not a new phenomenon. The First Amendment doesn't entitle any person to ignore and override. "Recent Presidents have been impeached for much less"? The former president was impeached twice for far more grievous offenses than vaccine mandates. The OP is a sycophant and not to be taken seriously. There's rarely an ounce of truth to be gleaned. Unfortunately this Corona issue (something which is documented to be 99.4% survivable ages 15-70) will be with us for at least 2 more years because it allows political parties unprecedented control over our lives. There will be at least two more variants pushed by the fear mongers and we will be wearing chin diapers for the foreseeable future. This doom and gloom reporting of this pandemic should have been over looong ago The USA has more reported deaths than any other country in the world because funding for medical programs are tied to the numbers of the pandemic. People die of a stroke, cancer, heart disease and because there is COVID in the victims system it is counted as COVID-19. We outpace even Brazil, which has cities with the population density of an ant colony. And yes, Biden and his handlers are definitely overplaying their hand. The American people can see it and his ratings are cratering….the 2022 elections (assuming they aren’t rigged) can’t come soon enough. BTW, both sides always claim election fraud, Hillary still disputes the 2016 results. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 23, 2021 14:28:34 GMT -8
No, because that would require the truth and not satirical fiction. I missed how many bystanders were killed by BLM protests, must have been a boatload. I do remember Kyle Rittenhouse though shooting multiple people and transporting weapons across state lines illegally. And that whole January 6th thing, lest we forget. Vaccine mandates have existed for centuries. This is not a new phenomenon. The First Amendment doesn't entitle any person to ignore and override. "Recent Presidents have been impeached for much less"? The former president was impeached twice for far more grievous offenses than vaccine mandates. The OP is a sycophant and not to be taken seriously. There's rarely an ounce of truth to be gleaned. Unfortunately this Corona issue (something which is documented to be 99.4% survivable ages 15-70) will be with us for at least 2 more years because it allows political parties unprecedented control over our lives. There will be at least two more variants pushed by the fear mongers and we will be wearing chin diapers for the foreseeable future. This doom and gloom reporting of this pandemic should have been over looong ago The USA has more reported deaths than any other country in the world because funding for medical programs are tied to the numbers of the pandemic. People die of a stroke, cancer, heart disease and because there is COVID in the victims system it is counted as COVID-19. We outpace even Brazil, which has cities with the population density of an ant colony. And yes, Biden and his handlers are definitely overplaying their hand. The American people can see it and his ratings are cratering….the 2022 elections (assuming they aren’t rigged) can’t come soon enough. BTW, both sides always claim election fraud, Hillary still disputes the 2016 results. Softer than my pillow. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 23, 2021 14:41:08 GMT -8
The main crime against him is murder. He wouldn't be charged with anything if he had not been attacked and defended himself. Edit: And I have to add...HE shouldn't be there? How about the people burning $#!+ down...They are the ones that should not be there... 2nd Edit: Big picture, this is why the Kyle situation bothers me so much... One group of people are there to destroy property (not all protesters, but all rioters) One group is there to protect property. People that want to destroy property, attack a person that is there to protect property. The person that was attacked and lawfully defended himself is put in jail and faces multiple criminal chargers including murder. People destroying property and/or attacking person (three that are alive, one that was armed), do not face charges. Now you can get back to forcing people (healthy young ones, then children) to get the shot...which will need a booster? and another booster? and.... And not allowing those that get fired for not taking the shot to get unemployment??? Is that right? Isn't that lovely... "All governments suffer a recurring problem: power attracts pathological personalities"...Frank Herbert...I just looked that one up, but it fits. I don't even know where to begin with this to be honest - For clarity, there is no murder charge in Wisconsin. There's a reason why his charges read how they do. Your entire premise here is pretty nuts. A minor who comes from another state with a vigilante complex has no business doing so. He's a child, not a law enforcement officer. It's nobody's job to protect property other than the property owner/law enforcement. Period. Don't pretend his cause was noble. He knew what he was doing. Hundreds of people were arrested. The Kenosha police failed to ensure a culture of safety, so a lot of the blame resides there with their lack of accountability. Damaging/vandalizing buildings is not acceptable, but neither is a pattern of systematic violence against a group of people. Jacob Blake, unlike Kyle Rittenhouse, didn't get the choice to go to jail. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Oct 23, 2021 15:08:49 GMT -8
Nothing nuts about my entire premise. It is accurate. You just don't like it.
I will agree that charges have been filed for some of the rioters (100's? I don't know about that). But not the individuals that assaulted Kyle. Including one with a gun.
No murder charge? "one count of first-degree intentional homicide; one count of first-degree reckless homicide; one count of attempted first-degree intentional homicide; two counts of first-degree reckless endangerment and one count of possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18, all felonies, according to court records"
He could get life in prison. "He's a child?" Not in the law's eyes, he's being tried as an adult...
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Post by uwphoto on Oct 23, 2021 16:30:44 GMT -8
haha..you guys think that if the vaccine was problematic the NBA and NFL woulda given a shot to Tom Brady , Steph and Durant?? I got a shot and I was the best over 60 bball player at LA Fitness Poway..and I still am. Meanwhile my sister in Zona has covid and she's struggling... sadly.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 24, 2021 8:29:55 GMT -8
Nothing nuts about my entire premise. It is accurate. You just don't like it. I will agree that charges have been filed for some of the rioters (100's? I don't know about that). But not the individuals that assaulted Kyle. Including one with a gun. No murder charge? "one count of first-degree intentional homicide; one count of first-degree reckless homicide; one count of attempted first-degree intentional homicide; two counts of first-degree reckless endangerment and one count of possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18, all felonies, according to court records" He could get life in prison. "He's a child?" Not in the law's eyes, he's being tried as an adult... Reckless homicide is not murder in the state of Wisconsin. There is no statute in the Wisconsin code for murder, which matters in a legal context. "Accurate" is your opinion and your entire opinion is based off a video that doesn't address the simple question of why he was there in the first place. You're apparently very concerned about rioters, but what about the event that started the protests to begin with? |
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Post by azteccc on Oct 24, 2021 17:11:24 GMT -8
To the thread title… Per the New York Times COVID dashboard, Vermont is the highest vaccinated state in the country by percentage of population, at 71%. It is also rural.
Also per the NYT dashboard, Vermont is sitting at the highest % increase in the country in average cases and hospitalizations on the 14 day rolling count.
Make a vaccination mandate make sense.
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 27, 2021 10:08:55 GMT -8
Unfortunately this Corona issue (something which is documented to be 99.4% survivable ages 15-70) will be with us for at least 2 more years because it allows political parties unprecedented control over our lives. There will be at least two more variants pushed by the fear mongers and we will be wearing chin diapers for the foreseeable future. This doom and gloom reporting of this pandemic should have been over looong ago The USA has more reported deaths than any other country in the world because funding for medical programs are tied to the numbers of the pandemic. People die of a stroke, cancer, heart disease and because there is COVID in the victims system it is counted as COVID-19. We outpace even Brazil, which has cities with the population density of an ant colony. And yes, Biden and his handlers are definitely overplaying their hand. The American people can see it and his ratings are cratering….the 2022 elections (assuming they aren’t rigged) can’t come soon enough. BTW, both sides always claim election fraud, Hillary still disputes the 2016 results. Softer than my pillow. Why is it when the Socialist policies fall apart and fail miserably, the Socialist says “get used to it…..enjoy your suffering in austerity.”? |
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Post by azson on Oct 27, 2021 10:36:41 GMT -8
Why is it when the Socialist policies fall apart and fail miserably, the Socialist says “get used to it…..enjoy your suffering in austerity.”? Why is it when the Conservative argues, they bandy about the term "Socialist" like they actually know what it means? |
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Post by aardvark on Oct 27, 2021 10:48:27 GMT -8
To the thread title… Per the New York Times COVID dashboard, Vermont is the highest vaccinated state in the country by percentage of population, at 71%. It is also rural. Also per the NYT dashboard, Vermont is sitting at the highest % increase in the country in average cases and hospitalizations on the 14 day rolling count. Make a vaccination mandate make sense. I got vaccinated pre-mandates. I'm older, with several preexisting conditions. I thought about it for awhile, but I went ahead and did it. I didn't have be told to get it. I am waiting for the Feds to change the "fully vaccinated" status to include boosters. I fully expect those to be mandated as well, but I should also have my booster before they are mandated. Again--my choice. |
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Post by uwphoto on Oct 27, 2021 11:03:47 GMT -8
Why is it when the Socialist policies fall apart and fail miserably, the Socialist says “get used to it…..enjoy your suffering in austerity.”? Why is it when the Conservative argues, they bandy about the term "Socialist" like they actually know what it means? I love "socialism". In the early 70's, I went to Junior college for free and my tuition at SDSU was $90 a semester! I hope you aren't cashing SS checks!! |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 27, 2021 11:06:15 GMT -8
Why is it when the Socialist policies fall apart and fail miserably, the Socialist says “get used to it…..enjoy your suffering in austerity.”? When all you do is regurgitate false talking points and conspiracy, you reap what you sow. Calling me a Socialist indicates you're out of your depth, which is easy to see because most of your posts lack original thought or critical analysis. Wear a mask. It's not difficult, it's not even remotely hard to do. Stop listening to Tucker and the other sycophants and educate yourself. The "survival rate" doesn't equal "perfectly healthy and fine." Talk to a person who has long haul COVID complications and then get back to Earth. |
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Post by azteccc on Oct 27, 2021 11:24:30 GMT -8
To the thread title… Per the New York Times COVID dashboard, Vermont is the highest vaccinated state in the country by percentage of population, at 71%. It is also rural. Also per the NYT dashboard, Vermont is sitting at the highest % increase in the country in average cases and hospitalizations on the 14 day rolling count. Make a vaccination mandate make sense. I got vaccinated pre-mandates. I'm older, with several preexisting conditions. I thought about it for awhile, but I went ahead and did it. I didn't have be told to get it. I am waiting for the Feds to change the "fully vaccinated" status to include boosters. I fully expect those to be mandated as well, but I should also have my booster before they are mandated. Again--my choice. I got vaccinated March 2021, and I’m younger with no preexisting conditions. I sought out J&J, because I didn’t want the brand new mRNA tech. I didn’t have to be told either, it was because I was working around a lot of people who were seeing A LOT of people on a regular basis, and I was seeing my folks some. Choice is great. I think most people SHOULD get vaccinated. I, nor anyone else, should be able to force someone to make a medical decision, even if “force” just means threaten livelihood and remove freedoms. |
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