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Post by aztecryan on Aug 17, 2021 21:26:07 GMT -8
This is completely false, as the drawdown date was instituted by the last administration and the process began under the last administration. Trump tried to take credit for it. The process wasn't great, in fact it was downright bad. But laying this entirely at Biden's feet is an outright falsehood. I don't know why Biden would pull out our troops when the Taliban said that once our troops retreated, they were going to take over. He grossly underestimated the Taliban, and over estimated the Afghan Army. The Taliban was always going to take over. You cannot conquer an ideology, and there's a reason why Afghanistan has its moniker. It wasn't handled well, US intelligence really underestimated the speed of the Taliban takeover. But they met no resistance, so it's a lot easier when you let the barbarians in the gate. Once Baradar was released in 2018, the wheels were in motion. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 18, 2021 6:51:57 GMT -8
I call BS. Almost everyone wanted out of Afghanistan except some neocons from both parties. Remember, Joe voted for the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force and had 8 years in the smug punk era to do something different and/or exit. Joe raised his hand and asked that he be given the responsibility to direct foreign policy, hand pick the people to lead military, national intelligence agencies, etc., and this epic fail is all his and no one else's. But, but Chewbaca man was in the Capitol  This is completely false, as the drawdown date was instituted by the last administration and the process began under the last administration. Trump tried to take credit for it. The process wasn't great, in fact it was downright bad. But laying this entirely at Biden's feet is an outright falsehood. Joe changed anything and everything he could relative to Trump as he liked on day one of his admin. From Jan 21st, he had the authority to change the withdrawal plan. Joe, the Pentagon and the Intel Agencies have been owned and they own it. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 18, 2021 10:10:33 GMT -8
Ryan, based on your repeated comments, I cannot imagine that there could EVER be a Republican Party that you would not label illegitimate and probably treasonous as well. If that concept lead to long-term one-party control of the U.S.A., I guess you would just shrug. And, yes, that is one the three main threats to this country that worry me.
You do not care what Americans, or at any rate likely almost half of them, think about the fairness of the House committee. I totally disagree with you on that. And, if I read history correctly, the politicians who set up the 911 Commission and other similar investigations agreed with my assessment. I refer you again to the membership list I posted earlier. Equal number of GOP as Dem, and no one currently in Congress. (Also, several of them had NEVER been professional pols, which I consider a plus.)
So far you have not commented on my question asking why Pelosi did not try to find five Republicans to be on the committee once the first five GOP members were either excluded or withdrawn. Why only two? Could she not have recruited FIVE acceptable House Republicans? Were there no House Republicans beyond Cheney and Kinzinger who did not offend the sensibilities of even the most cynical American? (Well, that question answers itself, since you have stated that the two chosen must be the ONLY House Republicans worthy of respect.)
We shall see how things work out. No doubt much important information will be brought to light. Still, I believe that Pelosi's one and only consideration was to stack the deck so that Trump should be labelled a traitor. The number one goal of such a committee should be to provide the public with honest answers to relevant questions. It should not be to wrest the maximum political advantage out of a situation. Never let a crisis go to waste, right?
The sad and ironic part of all this is that if Nancy Pelosi had set up a truly bi-partisan committee, her goal of heaping excrement on the former President would most likely been achieved anyway. If Trump is as contemptible and treasonous a man as you believe, ten Jim Jordans would not be able to obscure that fact.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2021 10:53:51 GMT -8
This is completely false, as the drawdown date was instituted by the last administration and the process began under the last administration. Trump tried to take credit for it. The process wasn't great, in fact it was downright bad. But laying this entirely at Biden's feet is an outright falsehood. Joe changed anything and everything he could relative to Trump as he liked on day one of his admin. From Jan 21st, he had the authority to change the withdrawal plan. Joe, the Pentagon and the Intel Agencies have been owned and they own it. Again, false. They did change the date. Whether they withdrew today or in September doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2021 11:07:27 GMT -8
Ryan, based on your repeated comments, I cannot imagine that there could EVER be a Republican Party that you would not label illegitimate and probably treasonous as well. If that concept lead to long-term one-party control of the U.S.A., I guess you would just shrug. And, yes, that is one the three main threats to this country that worry me. You do not care what Americans, or at any rate likely almost half of them, think about the fairness of the House committee. I totally disagree with you on that. And, if I read history correctly, the politicians who set up the 911 Commission and other similar investigations agreed with my assessment. I refer you again to the membership list I posted earlier. Equal number of GOP as Dem, and no one currently in Congress. (Also, several of them had NEVER been professional pols, which I consider a plus.) So far you have not commented on my question asking why Pelosi did not try to find five Republicans to be on the committee once the first five GOP members were either excluded or withdrawn. Why only two? Could she not have recruited FIVE acceptable House Republicans? Were there no House Republicans beyond Cheney and Kinzinger who did not offend the sensibilities of even the most cynical American? (Well, that question answers itself, since you have stated that the two chosen must be the ONLY House Republicans worthy of respect.) We shall see how things work out. No doubt much important information will be brought to light. Still, I believe that Pelosi's one and only consideration was to stack the deck so that Trump should be labelled a traitor. The number one goal of such a committee should be to provide the public with honest answers to relevant questions. It should not be to wrest the maximum political advantage out of a situation. Never let a crisis go to waste, right? The sad and ironic part of all this is that if Nancy Pelosi had set up a truly bi-partisan committee, her goal of heaping excrement on the former President would most likely been achieved anyway. If Trump is as contemptible and treasonous a man as you believe, ten Jim Jordans would not be able to obscure that fact. AzWm You disingenuously overreact and stretch the truth to fit your statements, so why should I bother? Just because I view this version (rightfully so) of the Republican Party to be a farce doesn't mean that the same standard unilaterally applies. This should be obvious? 106 Republicans violated their oath by not certifying a fair, democratic election. A host of them towed the company line and spread voter fraud myths and wild conspiracy theories. Why should that be swept under the rug? I won't. Once again, you are focusing on Pelosi's role when your focus should be on the simple fact that Republicans don't want the truth to come to light. That's why Jim Jordan, Kevin McCarthy and others who are likely complicit in the planning of January 6th won't submit to subpoenas or be honest about their phone logs on the days in question. (And there's proof of that, by the way) Once again, Kevin McCarthy pulled the GOP away from the table once Banks and Jordan were denied involvement (Again, rightfully so, they have no ability to be impartial if you actually know this topic) - Saying Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger can't do their jobs in the same vein because they voted for impeachment or "hate Trump" is mindless speculation and making Trump the victim again, like you always seemingly do. (Again, why?) You do nothing but attack the Democratic side over and over, not a single word on the cancerous spread of dangerous sycophants that are filling the Republican Party. Phony, hollowed-out statements that act like the moral compass should be pointed due right. No. Thanks. And Donald Trump IS a traitor. I don't need a commission to tell me that and the Kool-Aid drinkers are never going to be convinced, no matter if there are a million facts to support it or not. There are still millions of people who think the election was stolen. This brings us back to the danger of the now beholden GOP to their God, a much more dangerous entity than any Democratic Party. Spare me the BS about a one-party state, it's Fox News fodder and fantasy. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 18, 2021 13:06:41 GMT -8
Joe changed anything and everything he could relative to Trump as he liked on day one of his admin. From Jan 21st, he had the authority to change the withdrawal plan. Joe, the Pentagon and the Intel Agencies have been owned and they own it. Again, false. They did change the date. Whether they withdrew today or in September doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Not false. Joe was not "bound" by agreements made for Afghanistan by the Trump Admin. The agreements on timing or on how to withdraw was to proceed were not law nor Treaties endorse by the Senate. Just unilateral Executive Branch actions. If Joe and his crack group of Windmill Chasers had a clue that anything was going to go sour, it was their responsibility to address it. To have it blow up in the face and say "But the Devil made me do it" is so lame. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2021 13:08:40 GMT -8
Again, false. They did change the date. Whether they withdrew today or in September doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Not false. Joe was not "bound" by agreements made for Afghanistan by the Trump Admin. The agreements on timing or on how to withdraw was to proceed were not law nor Treaties endorse by the Senate. Just unilateral Executive Branch actions. If Joe and his crack group of Windmill Chasers had a clue that anything was going to go sour, it was their responsibility to address it. To have it blow up in the face and say "But the Devil made me do it" is so lame. All four administrations are culpable. |
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Post by azson on Aug 18, 2021 14:04:44 GMT -8
Not false. Joe was not "bound" by agreements made for Afghanistan by the Trump Admin. The agreements on timing or on how to withdraw was to proceed were not law nor Treaties endorse by the Senate. Just unilateral Executive Branch actions. If Joe and his crack group of Windmill Chasers had a clue that anything was going to go sour, it was their responsibility to address it. To have it blow up in the face and say "But the Devil made me do it" is so lame. All four administrations are culpable. Agreed: www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/08/the-afghanistan-debacle-this-land-sneak-peek/ |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2021 19:18:39 GMT -8
From the party that championed the cause for moral righteousness...
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Aug 18, 2021 22:40:03 GMT -8
I think Trump was a woefully inadequate POTUS. I will not again cite the list of reasons why I think he was not close to having the basic requirements that almost all Americans believe a President should possess. But, and here is the point you either do not understand or want to ignore, I do not HATE or DEPISE the man. You do. Hatred can blind one to objectively evaluating a person or situation. I do not have to hate Donald Trump in order to consider him to have been a grievously flawed man and President. AzWm You do get that objectively evaluating a person can lead one to conclude that said person is despicable? I like you didn't actually hate Trump but thought he was in over his head yet still extremely arrogant as president. Amateur hour with an attitude. But his behavior since the election has been inexcusable. Several things he's done but just standing in front of a camera and stating "we won by a lot" makes him scum in my book. |
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 19, 2021 6:26:37 GMT -8
From the party that championed the cause for moral righteousness... hmmm. Republicans would have been embarrassed by this cretin 20 years ago..now they celebrate her! |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 19, 2021 6:33:36 GMT -8
I think Trump was a woefully inadequate POTUS. I will not again cite the list of reasons why I think he was not close to having the basic requirements that almost all Americans believe a President should possess. But, and here is the point you either do not understand or want to ignore, I do not HATE or DEPISE the man. You do. Hatred can blind one to objectively evaluating a person or situation. I do not have to hate Donald Trump in order to consider him to have been a grievously flawed man and President. AzWm You do get that objectively evaluating a person can lead one to conclude that said person is despicable? I like you didn't actually hate Trump but thought he was in over his head yet still extremely arrogant as president. Amateur hour with an attitude. But his behavior since the election has been inexcusable. Several things he's done but just standing in front of a camera and stating "we won by a lot" makes him scum in my book. When Biden predictably directs and commits an unconstitutional crime wave at the Southern border, it confirms that he is despicable. His evident incompetance in so many areas, in leading the Armed Forces and directing Foreign Policy as specific examples, along with the inane policies currently being passed under his guidance, confirms that a vote for Trump over Biden was reasonable regardless of Trump's shortcomings. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 19, 2021 8:12:44 GMT -8
You do get that objectively evaluating a person can lead one to conclude that said person is despicable? I like you didn't actually hate Trump but thought he was in over his head yet still extremely arrogant as president. Amateur hour with an attitude. But his behavior since the election has been inexcusable. Several things he's done but just standing in front of a camera and stating "we won by a lot" makes him scum in my book. When Biden predictably directs and commits an unconstitutional crime wave at the Southern border, it confirms that he is despicable. His evident incompetance in so many areas, in leading the Armed Forces and directing Foreign Policy as specific examples, along with the inane policies currently being passed under his guidance, confirms that a vote for Trump over Biden was reasonable regardless of Trump's shortcomings. I can't hear this over the sound of laughter. Using the Constitution defense is perhaps the most illogical narrative in the history of narratives. Which president was impeached twice? |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 19, 2021 20:11:40 GMT -8
When Biden predictably directs and commits an unconstitutional crime wave at the Southern border, it confirms that he is despicable. His evident incompetance in so many areas, in leading the Armed Forces and directing Foreign Policy as specific examples, along with the inane policies currently being passed under his guidance, confirms that a vote for Trump over Biden was reasonable regardless of Trump's shortcomings. I can't hear this over the sound of laughter. Using the Constitution defense is perhaps the most illogical narrative in the history of narratives. Which president was impeached twice? Is that the laughter of the CCP as they increase influence and control of our politicians, Wall St, Big Tech, Trade, Sports and Entertainment all while lecturing us about our Human Rights violations? Or the laughter of the Russian oligarchs that get to pipe oil to Germany while the US, in fealty to RR Unions, relegate our oil delivery methods to the 19th century and we go from an energy independent country to a foreign energy dependent country? Or the laughter of the Venezuelan Government officials that see the US slipping into Hyperinflation and envision all of its predictable effects on us like our lowered standard of living, reduced investments, ruined retirement plans, stagnant economy, weakened dollar, etc? Or the laughter of the leaders of the Mexican Cartels as they receive millions and millions in extortion money as the poor from all over world and give them their last bit of money before entering the US (and sending over some extra Heroin and fentanyl for good measure)? Or the laughter from the world's military leaders as they see people falling from our airplanes and having a stuck torso flapping like a surrender flag (I doubt the French or Italians ever suffered that indignity as their airplanes retreated)? Clinton was impeached and how did that affect him? Any conviction? No? Gee - strange how that worked out. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 19, 2021 20:16:11 GMT -8
I can't hear this over the sound of laughter. Using the Constitution defense is perhaps the most illogical narrative in the history of narratives. Which president was impeached twice? Is that the laughter of the CCP as they increase influence and control of our politicians, Wall St, Big Tech, Trade, Sports and Entertainment all while lecturing us about our Human Rights violations? Or the laughter of the Russian oligarchs that get to pipe oil to Germany while the US, in fealty to RR Unions, relegate our oil delivery methods to the 19th century and we go from an energy independent country to a foreign energy dependent country? Or the laughter of the Venezuelan Government officials that see the US slipping into Hyperinflation and envision all of its predictable effects on us like our lowered standard of living, reduced investments, ruined retirement plans, stagnant economy, weakened dollar, etc? Or the laughter of the leaders of the Mexican Cartels as they receive millions and millions in extortion money as the poor from all over world and give them their last bit of money before entering the US (and sending over some extra Heroin and fentanyl for good measure)? Or the laughter from the world's military leaders as they see people falling from our airplanes and having a stuck torso flapping like a surrender flag (I doubt the French or Italians ever suffered that indignity as their airplanes retreated)? Clinton was impeached and how did that affect him? Any conviction? No? Gee - strange how that worked out. Loud noises. |
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 20, 2021 0:11:43 GMT -8
Is that the laughter of the CCP as they increase influence and control of our politicians, Wall St, Big Tech, Trade, Sports and Entertainment all while lecturing us about our Human Rights violations? Or the laughter of the Russian oligarchs that get to pipe oil to Germany while the US, in fealty to RR Unions, relegate our oil delivery methods to the 19th century and we go from an energy independent country to a foreign energy dependent country? Or the laughter of the Venezuelan Government officials that see the US slipping into Hyperinflation and envision all of its predictable effects on us like our lowered standard of living, reduced investments, ruined retirement plans, stagnant economy, weakened dollar, etc? Or the laughter of the leaders of the Mexican Cartels as they receive millions and millions in extortion money as the poor from all over world and give them their last bit of money before entering the US (and sending over some extra Heroin and fentanyl for good measure)? Or the laughter from the world's military leaders as they see people falling from our airplanes and having a stuck torso flapping like a surrender flag (I doubt the French or Italians ever suffered that indignity as their airplanes retreated)? Clinton was impeached and how did that affect him? Any conviction? No? Gee - strange how that worked out. Loud noises. Any truth, in your book, to these noises? |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 20, 2021 8:14:31 GMT -8
Any truth, in your book, to these noises? I don't care for conspiracy theory fodder from a poster with a consistently awful, rigged narrative. Both sides have bad actors, right? If you didn't care about Russian involvement during Putin's puppetering masterclass, you don't get to object now. Exaggerated right-wing Breitbart water cooler stuff. Same person who told me sources don't matter in terms of news delivery. Nope, no thanks. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 20, 2021 13:48:15 GMT -8
Any truth, in your book, to these noises? I don't care for conspiracy theory fodder from a poster with a consistently awful, rigged narrative. Both sides have bad actors, right? If you didn't care about Russian involvement during Putin's puppetering masterclass, you don't get to object now. Exaggerated right-wing Breitbart water cooler stuff. Same person who told me sources don't matter in terms of news delivery. Nope, no thanks.  |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 20, 2021 14:09:11 GMT -8
I don't care for conspiracy theory fodder from a poster with a consistently awful, rigged narrative. Both sides have bad actors, right? If you didn't care about Russian involvement during Putin's puppetering masterclass, you don't get to object now. Exaggerated right-wing Breitbart water cooler stuff. Same person who told me sources don't matter in terms of news delivery. Nope, no thanks. Objectivity and bias matter. Sorry, but to indicate otherwise isn't a real argument, it's just purely false. Trash like this, for instance. www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/08/18/trump-i-realized-i-had-hired-a-loser-in-mark-milley/Having known several Marines who served under James Mattis personally, I can assure you he's not "the most overrated general in the world." Publishing toilet paper like this isn't worth any amount of oxygen or effort. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 21, 2021 6:54:06 GMT -8
Objectivity and bias matter. Sorry, but to indicate otherwise isn't a real argument, it's just purely false. Trash like this, for instance. www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/08/18/trump-i-realized-i-had-hired-a-loser-in-mark-milley/Having known several Marines who served under James Mattis personally, I can assure you he's not "the most overrated general in the world." Publishing toilet paper like this isn't worth any amount of oxygen or effort. What does Gen Mattis have to do with the idiocy of this Administration? |
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