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Post by ignoranus on Oct 5, 2021 18:43:49 GMT -8
The Spaniard was another high level HS recruit that most big schools passed over after a very serious injury. So, the Aztecs landed him.
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Post by fisherville on Oct 5, 2021 19:06:22 GMT -8
Kawhi class and it isn’t close, particularly if you count transfers. Malcolm was a huge get In hindsight, sure, based on what Kawhi turned into & how good Tapley & Thomas ended up being. But not on paper. Pope was rated higher than Kawhi, and Lawton, Tapley & Williams were just 3*'s. Even with Thomas, on paper, which is all we can judge this class on right now, the 2009 class only really had Kawhi, the #3 all-time recruit to SDSU. Pope's class at the #2, #4 & #6 all-time recruits (or at least since 2000). This class currently has 2 of the top 15, but both could move up the board when they rerank/rate these kids later in the year and the same with Johnson (assuming he commits/signs). Idk how highly they were rated but Kawhi was quite obviously a star, he was the best player in california and would have been top 50 if he was evaluated his SR year. Also Thomas had a big freshman year at pepperdine.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Oct 5, 2021 20:05:08 GMT -8
I'll be shocked if he a) is anywhere near the top 10 (barring multiple injuries), and b) is around in '23. When I saw him in the Swish league he didn't look like anyone who'd get minutes for a good MWC team, never mind SDSU, and I've heard the same from others. Hope I'm wrong, but I picture Ed Chang when watching him (who was an absolutely terrific kid w/ a nice stroke but not ready for prime time). Zeigler hasn't really mentioned him much, if at all, because he doesn't think he'll play much. Was a 4-star kid as a HS Junior, then had a major injury even had a pro contract waived at him from the G League and Spanish League. Could everyone be so "wrong" on his talent level? MWC Wire - "He missed most of his senior season due to an injury but has been working out and working on his game and should be ready to go once the season starts. Listed at 6’5” he has a good combination of athleticism and skill and is hoping to make an early impact." They weren’t, the talent is there…
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 5, 2021 21:19:02 GMT -8
Congratulations to Miles, Coach Dutcher and staff! The recruiting seems to be getting better and better every year.
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 5, 2021 23:22:38 GMT -8
I'll be shocked if he a) is anywhere near the top 10 (barring multiple injuries), and b) is around in '23. When I saw him in the Swish league he didn't look like anyone who'd get minutes for a good MWC team, never mind SDSU, and I've heard the same from others. Hope I'm wrong, but I picture Ed Chang when watching him (who was an absolutely terrific kid w/ a nice stroke but not ready for prime time). Zeigler hasn't really mentioned him much, if at all, because he doesn't think he'll play much. Was a 4-star kid as a HS Junior, then had a major injury even had a pro contract waived at him from the G League and Spanish League. Could everyone be so "wrong" on his talent level? MWC Wire - "He missed most of his senior season due to an injury but has been working out and working on his game and should be ready to go once the season starts. Listed at 6’5” he has a good combination of athleticism and skill and is hoping to make an early impact." I've heard the "pro contract" rumor came out of his camp and wasn't factual at all. Have you watched him play?
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Oct 6, 2021 5:23:41 GMT -8
I really like this guy's film. Smooth stroke and looks really skilled and long. Plus you gotta love the lefties
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 6, 2021 13:23:44 GMT -8
Yeah, I mean the 2014 class was really strong. We just didn't get the most out of that group of players, for a variety of reasons. Pope and Cheatham's early injuries, Kell taking forever to develop, Zylan not growing in Fisher's system (I mean he excelled at AZ ST and made the NBA, better then Pope/Kell in that regard). Even Zabo transferring was a blow, he was a talented PG. Part of the issue with that class (IMO) was that SDSU started to recruit the types of players that Dutcher wanted, but it was still Fisher's offense and team. That's who Zabo didn't get minutes, that's why Zylan didn't fit as well, etc. And Pope just failed to live up to the hype. All that being said, SDSU's team with Kell/Pope as seniors was very, very, talented. Just couldn't put it together until the second half of the season, got a medicore seed and lost to Man Bun. IDK, Kell started in Maui & was all tournament as a FR. He struggled some no doubt, but that's expected of FR. He was terrific as a soph and was heading to an exceptional senior year before getting hurt in Anaheim, which impacted most of his season unfortunately. His biggest issue IMO was he was too unselfish as a player. When he decided to take over he was exceptional, but it took a lot of convincing by Fisher & crew. I'll never forget Vegas during his senior year. Z only improved his 3-Pt shooting, nothing else, and that was over a 2 year period after redshirting. ASU didn't turn him into a G-Leaguer; his athleticism did, and that was happening whether he went back home or stayed at SDSU. It ended up OK as it gave Jalen a chance to shine, who was the better overall player when all was said & done. Zabo was the 3rd best PG on that team as a FR, so not sure that was a "major blow" at all? I liked his game but he wasn't starting over Kell & Hemsley the following year. He made the right choice to step down in competition if he wasn't going to be happy coming off the bench. He definitely would have been an upgrade over Ben Perez though, and definitely would have helped the team. Just not sure "major blow" is the right term. Pope was injuring prone coming in & unfortunately it derailed a lot of his career but he was still terrific his last 2 years. I think he suffered from the "Winston affect", or fans having such high expectations he was never going to live up to them. That class was awesome on paper, and had success. I'd say 2 NCAA T's & 1 NIT Final 4 is a pretty successful run. I'm excited to see what the '22 class brings, especially if we can land yet another Johnson! Kell always had talent from the beginning, but he didn't fully figure it out until his senior year as far as his decision making with the ball is concerned. Kell was so up and down until his senior year. As a senior he made really good decisions with the ball almost every time. ASU's system displayed Zylan's talent better then our offense did under Fischer. I think that Zylan would have been better in Dutcher's offense. Pope was good in his last two years, definitely. Point being, the entire class was good when they got older and mixed as freshmen and sophomores - yet the expectation was for much more immediate impact. Sometimes having these huge recruiting classes can be a mixed bag because then you have a bunch of freshmen on the team for the first year, and you have your young guys playing too many minutes. Unless you have a class full of draft picks, picking up a bunch of freshmen isn't always ideal.
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 6, 2021 13:57:43 GMT -8
IDK, Kell started in Maui & was all tournament as a FR. He struggled some no doubt, but that's expected of FR. He was terrific as a soph and was heading to an exceptional senior year before getting hurt in Anaheim, which impacted most of his season unfortunately. His biggest issue IMO was he was too unselfish as a player. When he decided to take over he was exceptional, but it took a lot of convincing by Fisher & crew. I'll never forget Vegas during his senior year. Z only improved his 3-Pt shooting, nothing else, and that was over a 2 year period after redshirting. ASU didn't turn him into a G-Leaguer; his athleticism did, and that was happening whether he went back home or stayed at SDSU. It ended up OK as it gave Jalen a chance to shine, who was the better overall player when all was said & done. Zabo was the 3rd best PG on that team as a FR, so not sure that was a "major blow" at all? I liked his game but he wasn't starting over Kell & Hemsley the following year. He made the right choice to step down in competition if he wasn't going to be happy coming off the bench. He definitely would have been an upgrade over Ben Perez though, and definitely would have helped the team. Just not sure "major blow" is the right term. Pope was injuring prone coming in & unfortunately it derailed a lot of his career but he was still terrific his last 2 years. I think he suffered from the "Winston affect", or fans having such high expectations he was never going to live up to them. That class was awesome on paper, and had success. I'd say 2 NCAA T's & 1 NIT Final 4 is a pretty successful run. I'm excited to see what the '22 class brings, especially if we can land yet another Johnson! Kell always had talent from the beginning, but he didn't fully figure it out until his senior year as far as his decision making with the ball is concerned. Kell was so up and down until his senior year. As a senior he made really good decisions with the ball almost every time. ASU's system displayed Zylan's talent better then our offense did under Fischer. I think that Zylan would have been better in Dutcher's offense. Pope was good in his last two years, definitely. Point being, the entire class was good when they got older and mixed as freshmen and sophomores - yet the expectation was for much more immediate impact. Sometimes having these huge recruiting classes can be a mixed bag because then you have a bunch of freshmen on the team for the first year, and you have your young guys playing too many minutes. Unless you have a class full of draft picks, picking up a bunch of freshmen isn't always ideal.In today's "portal world", definitely. If a recruit isn't going to be a rotation guy by year 2 they're likely to bolt, plus the last thing we want to be (being a mid-major) is "young & inexperienced". Dutcher's "stay old" mantra is key. Dutch definitely doesn't want to repeat his 2018 mistake where he had Jalen, Matt & Jordan, all 1st year players, in the rotation. Agree - that class was rock solid. Fan's expectations aren't on the players. That's on the fans, especially when they're underclassmen. I liked Kell's game from day 1. He just kept getting better & better. Extremely high BB IQ. Agree on Z being better in Dutch's offense than Fish's, but he knew Dutch was going to be the HC when he left. IMO it was a big mistake although, as I said, it worked out better for us IMO with Jalen. I think Z had a warped sense of self - he was a terrible ball handler & drowned when he played away from the basket his 1st 2 years. Even at ASU his TO% was terrible. Great kid though. I think Fish used his skillset at the time in the right way. Z just thought he was a "3" when it was obviously not the case at the time. The year off may have helped, but losing a full year of PT (his 2nd RS year) is always tough. It'll be interesting to see where this class ends up being rated (they'll all get reevaluated, in theory) & how they turn out in 3+ years? I love their upside, especially if they add Johnson. I also think last year's class is underrated - at least Butler & Dinwiddie, and could surprise over time as well.
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Post by Gundo on Oct 6, 2021 14:02:34 GMT -8
I really like this guy's film. Smooth stroke and looks really skilled and long. Plus you gotta love the lefties With the addition of Chad Baker-Mazara (6'7 190) and now Miles Byrd (6'7 170 & age 16), it all but seals the deal on where Che' is in the current rotation. Tough luck for him, I have been a huge supporter for his comeback.
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Post by AztecPhil on Oct 6, 2021 14:58:33 GMT -8
Just because we have a good recruiting class, I would not close the door on any returning players. Both Fisher and Dutcher like playing older guys that can play in the system. We have had a number of players that did not see much playing time during their first year or two and then wowed us. Besides, if there was no hope for some of the returning players, they probably would have entered the transfer portal.
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 6, 2021 17:25:30 GMT -8
Just because we have a good recruiting class, I would not close the door on any returning players. Both Fisher and Dutcher like playing older guys that can play in the system. We have had a number of players that did not see much playing time during their first year or two and then wowed us. Besides, if there was no hope for some of the returning players, they probably would have entered the transfer portal. Who are you referring to? If you're referring to Che, I think he'll leave if he can't see himself getting regular PT in '23 & given the current line-up of players for that season I don't see it. If you're talking about Super Seniors returning, I'd LOVE IT if Seiko, Bradley, AG & Nate returned & I'm pretty damn sure Dutch would as well! But again, I just don't see all 4 coming back.
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Post by Gundo on Oct 7, 2021 21:44:58 GMT -8
Nor Cal class of 2022 commitments: Miles Byrd ( Lincoln-Stockton) - San Diego State, Jaylen Thompson ( St. Joseph / Southern Cal Academy) - Stanford University, Broyce Batchan Jr. ( De Anza / Southern Cal Academy) - University of San Francisco, Aidan Mahaney (Campolindo) - St. Mary's College, Oziyah Sellers (Modesto Christian / Southern Cal Academy) - University of Southern California simplybasketballhq.com/2022-committed/
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Post by jcljorgenson on Oct 8, 2021 11:13:31 GMT -8
Let’s relax, he’s not close to KD. Excited to watch him play tho Little bit of KD's elbow pull up jump shots, little bit of LaMelo Ball's passing and court vision. Some teams were recruiting him to play point guard. He has the length of a college small forward/NBA shooting guard. He's special. Byrd reminds me of Kyle Anderson, who is having a nice career in the NBA (aka as Slo-Mo from UCLA).
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 11, 2021 18:38:42 GMT -8
Just because we have a good recruiting class, I would not close the door on any returning players. Both Fisher and Dutcher like playing older guys that can play in the system. We have had a number of players that did not see much playing time during their first year or two and then wowed us. Besides, if there was no hope for some of the returning players, they probably would have entered the transfer portal. Who are you referring to? If you're referring to Che, I think he'll leave if he can't see himself getting regular PT in '23 & given the current line-up of players for that season I don't see it. If you're talking about Super Seniors returning, I'd LOVE IT if Seiko, Bradley, AG & Nate returned & I'm pretty damn sure Dutch would as well! But again, I just don't see all 4 coming back. I think it depends a lot of which super seniors come back, and what transfers we get. I could see us targeting a grad transfer PG, and a traditional transfer center. After that a transfer SF or PF could be the 13th scholarship. Also possible Alger gets the 13th scholarship. It really depends a lot on Evans progress. If he's significantly improved, Byrd can play at the 2 and Evans can backup Baker-Mazara. If not, Byrd could play both the 2 and 3 next year. But yeah, at best Evans is a backup next year - so it wouldn't be surprising if he transfers. For next year (10 Scholarships + Walk-on Alger): PG Lamont Butler, Jr., Koren Johnson SG Miles Byrd, Keith Dinwiddie, Jr. SF Chad Baker-Mazara, Ché Evans, Jr. PF Keshad Johnson, Cade Alger (no scholarship right now but I would put him ahead of Saunders from the film I've seen on both), Elijah Saunders C Jaedon LeDee, Demarshay Johnson + Transfers + Some Super Seniors (doesn't count towards scholarship limit): PG Adam Seiko (Overseas, or grad school?) SG Matt Bradley (Likely declaring for the draft) PF Aguek Arop (Injuries have taken their toll on him, wouldn't be surprised if this is his last season) C Nathan Mensah (Would love to see him be back for a 5th season. He could certainly play overseas) Getting Mensah back would be enormous for the teams ability to make a deep NCAA run next year. If we don't get Mensah back, it's certainly possible that guys like Alger, Evans get on the floor with smaller lineups when LeDee is resting - It's no guarantee Demarshay gets minutes next year.
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Post by jp92grad on Oct 11, 2021 20:37:03 GMT -8
Who are you referring to? If you're referring to Che, I think he'll leave if he can't see himself getting regular PT in '23 & given the current line-up of players for that season I don't see it. If you're talking about Super Seniors returning, I'd LOVE IT if Seiko, Bradley, AG & Nate returned & I'm pretty damn sure Dutch would as well! But again, I just don't see all 4 coming back. I think it depends a lot of which super seniors come back, and what transfers we get. I could see us targeting a grad transfer PG, and a traditional transfer center. After that a transfer SF or PF could be the 13th scholarship. Also possible Alger gets the 13th scholarship. It really depends a lot on Evans progress. If he's significantly improved, Byrd can play at the 2 and Evans can backup Baker-Mazara. If not, Byrd could play both the 2 and 3 next year. But yeah, at best Evans is a backup next year - so it wouldn't be surprising if he transfers. For next year (10 Scholarships + Walk-on Alger): PG Lamont Butler, Jr., Koren Johnson SG Miles Byrd, Keith Dinwiddie, Jr. SF Chad Baker-Mazara, Ché Evans, Jr. PF Keshad Johnson, Cade Alger (no scholarship right now but I would put him ahead of Saunders from the film I've seen on both), Elijah Saunders C Jaedon LeDee, Demarshay Johnson + Transfers + Some Super Seniors (doesn't count towards scholarship limit): PG Adam Seiko (Overseas, or grad school?) SG Matt Bradley (Likely declaring for the draft) PF Aguek Arop (Injuries have taken their toll on him, wouldn't be surprised if this is his last season) C Nathan Mensah (Would love to see him be back for a 5th season. He could certainly play overseas) Getting Mensah back would be enormous for the teams ability to make a deep NCAA run next year. If we don't get Mensah back, it's certainly possible that guys like Alger, Evans get on the floor with smaller lineups when LeDee is resting - It's no guarantee Demarshay gets minutes next year. I think the super senior wavier is only for this year when it comes to total number of scholarships, when counting for same team Super Seniors. Next year you can still use Super Senior's but they count against the total number (13). I could be wrong and started to look it up but gave up and this is my final answer!
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 11, 2021 23:15:25 GMT -8
I think it depends a lot of which super seniors come back, and what transfers we get. I could see us targeting a grad transfer PG, and a traditional transfer center. After that a transfer SF or PF could be the 13th scholarship. Also possible Alger gets the 13th scholarship. It really depends a lot on Evans progress. If he's significantly improved, Byrd can play at the 2 and Evans can backup Baker-Mazara. If not, Byrd could play both the 2 and 3 next year. But yeah, at best Evans is a backup next year - so it wouldn't be surprising if he transfers. For next year (10 Scholarships + Walk-on Alger): PG Lamont Butler, Jr., Koren Johnson SG Miles Byrd, Keith Dinwiddie, Jr. SF Chad Baker-Mazara, Ché Evans, Jr. PF Keshad Johnson, Cade Alger (no scholarship right now but I would put him ahead of Saunders from the film I've seen on both), Elijah Saunders C Jaedon LeDee, Demarshay Johnson + Transfers + Some Super Seniors (doesn't count towards scholarship limit): PG Adam Seiko (Overseas, or grad school?) SG Matt Bradley (Likely declaring for the draft) PF Aguek Arop (Injuries have taken their toll on him, wouldn't be surprised if this is his last season) C Nathan Mensah (Would love to see him be back for a 5th season. He could certainly play overseas) Getting Mensah back would be enormous for the teams ability to make a deep NCAA run next year. If we don't get Mensah back, it's certainly possible that guys like Alger, Evans get on the floor with smaller lineups when LeDee is resting - It's no guarantee Demarshay gets minutes next year. I think the super senior wavier is only for this year when it comes to total number of scholarships, when counting for same team Super Seniors. Next year you can still use Super Senior's but they count against the total number (13). I could be wrong and started to look it up but gave up and this is my final answer! Yes I'm pretty sure that's the case. It was a 1 year roster exemption returning to "normal" next year.
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Post by Gundo on Oct 12, 2021 10:39:03 GMT -8
I think the super senior wavier is only for this year when it comes to total number of scholarships, when counting for same team Super Seniors. Next year you can still use Super Senior's but they count against the total number (13). I could be wrong and started to look it up but gave up and this is my final answer! Yes I'm pretty sure that's the case. It was a 1 year roster exemption returning to "normal" next year. Are you saying "super senior" status or "the number of scholarships" return to normal next year?
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Post by jp92grad on Oct 12, 2021 10:43:31 GMT -8
Yes I'm pretty sure that's the case. It was a 1 year roster exemption returning to "normal" next year. Are you saying "super senior" status or "the number of scholarships" return to normal next year? Number of Scholarships total, The Super Senior status plays on unit they all leave Or grow out (of the 2020 season)
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 13, 2021 13:44:08 GMT -8
Yes I'm pretty sure that's the case. It was a 1 year roster exemption returning to "normal" next year. Are you saying "super senior" status or "the number of scholarships" return to normal next year? The #of scholarships. No more "you get an extra schollie if your seniors stay" exemptions.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Oct 13, 2021 18:53:39 GMT -8
Are you saying "super senior" status or "the number of scholarships" return to normal next year? The #of scholarships. No more "you get an extra schollie if your seniors stay" exemptions. Have you seen anything on that… my understanding was that the waiver was for one year, but that they may decided to extend the waiver for future years, and a final decision on the 22-23 cycle had not been finalized yet.
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