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Post by KDub on Oct 4, 2021 20:41:40 GMT -8
That 2009 class was incredible. To think that we were close to getting Xavier Thames to go along with Kawhi, Malcolm Thomas and C Tap is unreal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2021 4:40:58 GMT -8
and Tyrone Shelly who was supposed to be better than Malcolm Thomas but didn't pan out.
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Post by ignoranus on Oct 5, 2021 5:34:53 GMT -8
Shelley was severely hampered by plantar fascitis in both feet. When he was healthy he was a fine player.
Once, during pregame warm-ups, he was in street clothes sitting in a chair in the team's seats. An errant ball came to him and he hoisted up a shot while sitting out of bounds. His 3 point effort swished.
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Post by 🥸 Hopeless Aztec on Oct 5, 2021 7:10:42 GMT -8
In the last 25 years, California's Mr. Basketball has either gone: 3 - early to the NBA draft 18- to Kentucky, UCLA, Arizona, Kansas, Duke, Stanford or USC 2 - to Cal (Berkely) 2 - to Oregon State 1- to SDSU !!!!!!!! THANKS KAWHI !!!!!!!!! Was Polee Polee Poleeeee also a CA Mr Basketball? Too lazy to look it up.
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Post by standiego on Oct 5, 2021 8:07:50 GMT -8
looking forward to the actual signing time in November
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Post by survalli on Oct 5, 2021 9:34:14 GMT -8
Shelley was severely hampered by plantar fascitis in both feet. When he was healthy he was a fine player. Once, during pregame warm-ups, he was in street clothes sitting in a chair in the team's seats. An errant ball came to him and he hoisted up a shot while sitting out of bounds. His 3 point effort swished. one of the best SD prep players ever. he was a one man wrecking machine.
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Post by standiego on Oct 5, 2021 10:16:21 GMT -8
Correct T was quite the scorer in HS but Malcolm was also quite good and continued to be a strong player in college
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 5, 2021 10:35:39 GMT -8
basketball.realgm.com/highschool/awards/2/18Malik and Kawhi are both from California. Kawhi won. Both were talented. I will take a slightly lower numerical value and a top award for the state as an indication of talent. That list is was very impressive Not sure how this is relevant? Pope didn't play his senior year so never had the opportunity to even compete for the award. Plus, it dismisses the comp for the award and each player's team success as well as their role on their team. The Wear brothers were going to win the award being on the same team together. Kawhi was the 8th highest rated recruit in the state of CA in 2009; Pope the 6th in 2014, despite not playing; Kell was 9th. Z the 2nd in Arizona. That was an incredible recruiting class at the time. It's very easy to rate Kawhi's class high simply due to him, but there are more to a class than 1 guy. Especially from a recruiting ranking perspective. Tapley ended up being great, but he wasn't highly recruited. Yeah, I mean the 2014 class was really strong. We just didn't get the most out of that group of players, for a variety of reasons. Pope and Cheatham's early injuries, Kell taking forever to develop, Zylan not growing in Fisher's system (I mean he excelled at AZ ST and made the NBA, better then Pope/Kell in that regard). Even Zabo transferring was a blow, he was a talented PG. Part of the issue with that class (IMO) was that SDSU started to recruit the types of players that Dutcher wanted, but it was still Fisher's offense and team. That's who Zabo didn't get minutes, that's why Zylan didn't fit as well, etc. And Pope just failed to live up to the hype. All that being said, SDSU's team with Kell/Pope as seniors was very, very, talented. Just couldn't put it together until the second half of the season, got a medicore seed and lost to Man Bun.
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Post by ignoranus on Oct 5, 2021 10:40:30 GMT -8
On a few occasions Shelley did something that I have never seen another player do: When an opponent managed to steal the ball from him, he would chase the thief back down to the other end of the court and steal the ball back from the guy. Saw him do that at least three times.
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Post by docmm on Oct 5, 2021 11:00:00 GMT -8
In the last 25 years, California's Mr. Basketball has either gone: 3 - early to the NBA draft 18- to Kentucky, UCLA, Arizona, Kansas, Duke, Stanford or USC 2 - to Cal (Berkely) 2 - to Oregon State 1- to SDSU !!!!!!!! THANKS KAWHI !!!!!!!!! Was Polee Polee Poleeeee also a CA Mr Basketball? Too lazy to look it up. Polee graduated the same year as Kawhi. Kawhi got the California Mr Basketball Award which id the 2nd oldest HS basketball honor in the country after Indiana Mr. Basketball. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Mr._BasketballCal Hi-Sports named Polee State Player of the Year for 2010. But for "Mr. Basketball" that year, Allen Crabbe was chosen.
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Post by docmm on Oct 5, 2021 11:15:59 GMT -8
Not sure how this is relevant? Pope didn't play his senior year so never had the opportunity to even compete for the award. Plus, it dismisses the comp for the award and each player's team success as well as their role on their team. The Wear brothers were going to win the award being on the same team together. Kawhi was the 8th highest rated recruit in the state of CA in 2009; Pope the 6th in 2014, despite not playing; Kell was 9th. Z the 2nd in Arizona. That was an incredible recruiting class at the time. It's very easy to rate Kawhi's class high simply due to him, but there are more to a class than 1 guy. Especially from a recruiting ranking perspective. Tapley ended up being great, but he wasn't highly recruited. Yeah, I mean the 2014 class was really strong. We just didn't get the most out of that group of players, for a variety of reasons. Pope and Cheatham's early injuries, Kell taking forever to develop, Zylan not growing in Fisher's system (I mean he excelled at AZ ST and made the NBA, better then Pope/Kell in that regard). Even Zabo transferring was a blow, he was a talented PG. Part of the issue with that class (IMO) was that SDSU started to recruit the types of players that Dutcher wanted, but it was still Fisher's offense and team. That's who Zabo didn't get minutes, that's why Zylan didn't fit as well, etc. And Pope just failed to live up to the hype. All that being said, SDSU's team with Kell/Pope as seniors was very, very, talented. Just couldn't put it together until the second half of the season, got a medicore seed and lost to Man Bun. I hate that we had good "teams" for the Houston and Syracuse games but just couldn't stop their unconscious guards. Rob Gray 39 pts including 4-6 from 3, 11-15 FTs and that acrobatic, scoop shoot with 1 second left to win by two. Aztecs were 4-16 from 3 Buddy Boeheim 30 pts including 7-10 from 3. Aztecs were 11-40 from 3 including 2-22 from Mitchell, Gomez, Butler and Seiko. After shooting 37% as a team for the year.
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 5, 2021 11:32:11 GMT -8
Not sure how this is relevant? Pope didn't play his senior year so never had the opportunity to even compete for the award. Plus, it dismisses the comp for the award and each player's team success as well as their role on their team. The Wear brothers were going to win the award being on the same team together. Kawhi was the 8th highest rated recruit in the state of CA in 2009; Pope the 6th in 2014, despite not playing; Kell was 9th. Z the 2nd in Arizona. That was an incredible recruiting class at the time. It's very easy to rate Kawhi's class high simply due to him, but there are more to a class than 1 guy. Especially from a recruiting ranking perspective. Tapley ended up being great, but he wasn't highly recruited. Yeah, I mean the 2014 class was really strong. We just didn't get the most out of that group of players, for a variety of reasons. Pope and Cheatham's early injuries, Kell taking forever to develop, Zylan not growing in Fisher's system (I mean he excelled at AZ ST and made the NBA, better then Pope/Kell in that regard). Even Zabo transferring was a blow, he was a talented PG. Part of the issue with that class (IMO) was that SDSU started to recruit the types of players that Dutcher wanted, but it was still Fisher's offense and team. That's who Zabo didn't get minutes, that's why Zylan didn't fit as well, etc. And Pope just failed to live up to the hype. All that being said, SDSU's team with Kell/Pope as seniors was very, very, talented. Just couldn't put it together until the second half of the season, got a medicore seed and lost to Man Bun. IDK, Kell started in Maui & was all tournament as a FR. He struggled some no doubt, but that's expected of FR. He was terrific as a soph and was heading to an exceptional senior year before getting hurt in Anaheim, which impacted most of his season unfortunately. His biggest issue IMO was he was too unselfish as a player. When he decided to take over he was exceptional, but it took a lot of convincing by Fisher & crew. I'll never forget Vegas during his senior year. Z only improved his 3-Pt shooting, nothing else, and that was over a 2 year period after redshirting. ASU didn't turn him into a G-Leaguer; his athleticism did, and that was happening whether he went back home or stayed at SDSU. It ended up OK as it gave Jalen a chance to shine, who was the better overall player when all was said & done. Zabo was the 3rd best PG on that team as a FR, so not sure that was a "major blow" at all? I liked his game but he wasn't starting over Kell & Hemsley the following year. He made the right choice to step down in competition if he wasn't going to be happy coming off the bench. He definitely would have been an upgrade over Ben Perez though, and definitely would have helped the team. Just not sure "major blow" is the right term. Pope was injuring prone coming in & unfortunately it derailed a lot of his career but he was still terrific his last 2 years. I think he suffered from the "Winston affect", or fans having such high expectations he was never going to live up to them. That class was awesome on paper, and had success. I'd say 2 NCAA T's & 1 NIT Final 4 is a pretty successful run. I'm excited to see what the '22 class brings, especially if we can land yet another Johnson!
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Post by ignoranus on Oct 5, 2021 11:37:54 GMT -8
You can add the guards from Baylor years ago. And Central Florida. Indiana?
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Post by ignoranus on Oct 5, 2021 11:41:09 GMT -8
Two Johnsons will be even better than the "Big Johnson" was.
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Post by Gundo on Oct 5, 2021 11:48:28 GMT -8
Tapley was considered one of the very best players in NoCal, until he broke his leg. A lot of schools backed off because of the injury, and the Aztecs were able to sign him. It took several years for him to fully recover from the break. Sounds like Pope, Zylan and Che' all had serious junior or senior injuries, yet they rehabbed and played. Che' is still catching up on the 18 mos he missed.
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Post by docmm on Oct 5, 2021 12:51:31 GMT -8
Tapley was considered one of the very best players in NoCal, until he broke his leg. A lot of schools backed off because of the injury, and the Aztecs were able to sign him. It took several years for him to fully recover from the break. Sounds like Pope, Zylan and Che' all had serious junior or senior injuries, yet they rehabbed and played. Che' is still catching up on the 18 mos he missed. It's been odd to hear so little about Evans anywhere: the UT, talk radio or podcasts. I know he has a lot of "potential" but if he doesn't move into the first-10 rotation, I would be shocked if he stayed. I'm actually kind of shocked he's still here. Happy but still shocked.
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Post by coolstorybro on Oct 5, 2021 14:20:36 GMT -8
Sounds like Pope, Zylan and Che' all had serious junior or senior injuries, yet they rehabbed and played. Che' is still catching up on the 18 mos he missed. It's been odd to hear so little about Evans anywhere: the UT, talk radio or podcasts. I know he has a lot of "potential" but if he doesn't move into the first-10 rotation, I would be shocked if he stayed. I'm actually kind of shocked he's still here. Happy but still shocked. I believe that's a testament to SDSUs recruiting staff/concept, they don't sugar coat the sell to these guys and get them thinking they automatically get playing time. Hard work, being team first, and production get you PT here.
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 5, 2021 15:27:58 GMT -8
Sounds like Pope, Zylan and Che' all had serious junior or senior injuries, yet they rehabbed and played. Che' is still catching up on the 18 mos he missed. It's been odd to hear so little about Evans anywhere: the UT, talk radio or podcasts. I know he has a lot of "potential" but if he doesn't move into the first-10 rotation, I would be shocked if he stayed. I'm actually kind of shocked he's still here. Happy but still shocked. I'll be shocked if he a) is anywhere near the top 10 (barring multiple injuries), and b) is around in '23. When I saw him in the Swish league he didn't look like anyone who'd get minutes for a good MWC team, never mind SDSU, and I've heard the same from others. Hope I'm wrong, but I picture Ed Chang when watching him (who was an absolutely terrific kid w/ a nice stroke but not ready for prime time). Zeigler hasn't really mentioned him much, if at all, because he doesn't think he'll play much.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Oct 5, 2021 18:14:30 GMT -8
It's been odd to hear so little about Evans anywhere: the UT, talk radio or podcasts. I know he has a lot of "potential" but if he doesn't move into the first-10 rotation, I would be shocked if he stayed. I'm actually kind of shocked he's still here. Happy but still shocked. I'll be shocked if he a) is anywhere near the top 10 (barring multiple injuries), and b) is around in '23. When I saw him in the Swish league he didn't look like anyone who'd get minutes for a good MWC team, never mind SDSU, and I've heard the same from others. Hope I'm wrong, but I picture Ed Chang when watching him (who was an absolutely terrific kid w/ a nice stroke but not ready for prime time). Zeigler hasn't really mentioned him much, if at all, because he doesn't think he'll play much. Agree with your comments… but Che is a whole different talent and athlete than Chang, his game was very one dimensional. Che can attack the rim and shoot and pass… his on court awareness and team defense and most importantly his CONFIDENCE are what’s lacking… as of this summer he still didn’t believe he belonged at this level for this team.
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Post by Gundo on Oct 5, 2021 18:19:01 GMT -8
It's been odd to hear so little about Evans anywhere: the UT, talk radio or podcasts. I know he has a lot of "potential" but if he doesn't move into the first-10 rotation, I would be shocked if he stayed. I'm actually kind of shocked he's still here. Happy but still shocked. I'll be shocked if he a) is anywhere near the top 10 (barring multiple injuries), and b) is around in '23. When I saw him in the Swish league he didn't look like anyone who'd get minutes for a good MWC team, never mind SDSU, and I've heard the same from others. Hope I'm wrong, but I picture Ed Chang when watching him (who was an absolutely terrific kid w/ a nice stroke but not ready for prime time). Zeigler hasn't really mentioned him much, if at all, because he doesn't think he'll play much. Was a 4-star kid as a HS Junior, then had a major injury even had a pro contract waived at him from the G League and Spanish League. Could everyone be so "wrong" on his talent level? MWC Wire - "He missed most of his senior season due to an injury but has been working out and working on his game and should be ready to go once the season starts. Listed at 6’5” he has a good combination of athleticism and skill and is hoping to make an early impact."
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