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Post by aztecryan on Jul 11, 2021 20:02:25 GMT -8
Once again, I’m not a big Canepa fan but the games have become ridiculously long! Average length of game in 2000 : 2 hours and 58 minutes. Average length of game in 2021 : 3 hours and 8 minutes. We're going to complain about 10 minutes over 21 years?
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Post by aardvark on Jul 11, 2021 20:30:09 GMT -8
Once again, I’m not a big Canepa fan but the games have become ridiculously long! Average length of game in 2000 : 2 hours and 58 minutes. Average length of game in 2021 : 3 hours and 8 minutes. We're going to complain about 10 minutes over 21 years? I'll complain over 23 minutes in 16 years (time of a 9 inning game--2:46 in 2005 vs 3:09 in 2021), and that the games are longer now than they have ever been. Even with the new rules in extra innings to "speed up" the game.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 11, 2021 21:29:07 GMT -8
Average length of game in 2000 : 2 hours and 58 minutes. Average length of game in 2021 : 3 hours and 8 minutes. We're going to complain about 10 minutes over 21 years? I'll complain over 23 minutes in 16 years (time of a 9 inning game--2:46 in 2005 vs 3:09 in 2021), and that the games are longer now than they have ever been. Even with the new rules in extra innings to "speed up" the game. I agree. Many casual, to mid grade fans already think it's a boring game, and wait until the playoffs to watch baseball. A lot of mound visits, replays, etc.... Speed it up!!! I guess there's a give and take there, though.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 12, 2021 7:06:10 GMT -8
I'll complain over 23 minutes in 16 years (time of a 9 inning game--2:46 in 2005 vs 3:09 in 2021), and that the games are longer now than they have ever been. Even with the new rules in extra innings to "speed up" the game. I agree. Many casual, to mid grade fans already think it's a boring game, and wait until the playoffs to watch baseball. A lot of mound visits, replays, etc.... Speed it up!!! I guess there's a give and take there, though. The games are taking longer, but I'm not saying it's boring.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 12, 2021 7:07:50 GMT -8
I agree. Many casual, to mid grade fans already think it's a boring game, and wait until the playoffs to watch baseball. A lot of mound visits, replays, etc.... Speed it up!!! I guess there's a give and take there, though. The games are taking longer, but I'm not saying it's boring. No, I don't think so either. It wasn't directed at you, since you're obviously not a casual fan.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 12, 2021 8:30:27 GMT -8
I'll complain over 23 minutes in 16 years (time of a 9 inning game--2:46 in 2005 vs 3:09 in 2021), and that the games are longer now than they have ever been. Even with the new rules in extra innings to "speed up" the game. I agree. Many casual, to mid grade fans already think it's a boring game, and wait until the playoffs to watch baseball. A lot of mound visits, replays, etc.... Speed it up!!! I guess there's a give and take there, though. I would be willing to bet, without having the data in front of me, that the replay process (without informing anyone what is being reviewed) takes up a chunk of this time. As does the incessant ego of the average umpire who feels compelled to yell back at players/managers after they butcher the strike zone. It's pretty simple - They need an actual pitch clock. That would virtually solve all of the problems. As a person who went to the longest game in Padre history, I just don't mind it though. Small potatoes. The real problem isn't pace of play, it's balls in play.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 9:17:47 GMT -8
MLB definitely needs a pitch clock. 100% agree.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 12, 2021 9:26:01 GMT -8
I agree. Many casual, to mid grade fans already think it's a boring game, and wait until the playoffs to watch baseball. A lot of mound visits, replays, etc.... Speed it up!!! I guess there's a give and take there, though. I would be willing to bet, without having the data in front of me, that the replay process (without informing anyone what is being reviewed) takes up a chunk of this time. As does the incessant ego of the average umpire who feels compelled to yell back at players/managers after they butcher the strike zone. It's pretty simple - They need an actual pitch clock. That would virtually solve all of the problems. As a person who went to the longest game in Padre history, I just don't mind it though. Small potatoes. The real problem isn't pace of play, it's balls in play. MLB has a pitch clock. They also have a clock on mound visits. They also have a clock between innings. But there is apparently no penalty for anyone who exceeds the various clock limits. What MLB needs to do is enforce rules already on the books. Baseball also needs to rid themselves of some really horrible umpires that they currently have. For that matter, they need to get rid of the really horrible commissioner that they currently have.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 12, 2021 9:52:05 GMT -8
Padres games definitely seem long, but we've also had SP issues & pitch 5-6 guys a game (an exaggeration but you get my point). Plus, nearly all our games go a full 9 innings + with the home team needing to bat in the 9th. But in general I haven't noticed other teams I follow having games anywhere as long as ours.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 12, 2021 11:44:39 GMT -8
Padres games definitely seem long, but we've also had SP issues & pitch 5-6 guys a game (an exaggeration but you get my point). Plus, nearly all our games go a full 9 innings + with the home team needing to bat in the 9th. But in general I haven't noticed other teams I follow having games anywhere as long as ours. What other teams do you follow? The Padres games are the longest, at 3:19. Followed by the Dodgers (3:18), Astros and Phillies (3:17), Reds and Brewers (3:16), Red Sox and Cubs (3:15), Arizona (3:14), and the Angels round out the top 10 at 3:13.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 12, 2021 14:21:38 GMT -8
Padres games definitely seem long, but we've also had SP issues & pitch 5-6 guys a game (an exaggeration but you get my point). Plus, nearly all our games go a full 9 innings + with the home team needing to bat in the 9th. But in general I haven't noticed other teams I follow having games anywhere as long as ours. What other teams do you follow? The Padres games are the longest, at 3:19. Followed by the Dodgers (3:18), Astros and Phillies (3:17), Reds and Brewers (3:16), Red Sox and Cubs (3:15), Arizona (3:14), and the Angels round out the top 10 at 3:13. Good to know my perceptions were correct. Padres are definitely the longest, 10-minutes longer than the average game league-wide. I grew up a Padres & Mariners fan, and they're games tend to be closer to the league average. I also tend to follow a lot of the West coast teams, like SF & Oakland which are also much shorter than the Padres.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 12, 2021 14:26:02 GMT -8
What other teams do you follow? The Padres games are the longest, at 3:19. Followed by the Dodgers (3:18), Astros and Phillies (3:17), Reds and Brewers (3:16), Red Sox and Cubs (3:15), Arizona (3:14), and the Angels round out the top 10 at 3:13. Good to know my perceptions were correct. Padres are definitely the longest, 10-minutes longer than the average game league-wide. I grew up a Padres & Mariners fan, and they're games tend to be closer to the league average. I also tend to follow a lot of the West coast teams, like SF & Oakland which are also much shorter than the Padres. No one is under 3 hours. No. One. That is ridiculous.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 12, 2021 14:38:57 GMT -8
It's pretty funny that if our April and June was reversed, no one would be saying get rid of Tommy Pham and no one would be saying keep Eric Hosmer. Having a good April carries a long way in making people think you're good the entire year. That I don't agree with. Even when Pham was struggling, he was still barreling the ball and having good at-bats. Working counts, not chasing out of the zone, etc. Hosmer's been the same player since 2018. It's not just a bad month or six weeks, he's what he is by now. You failed to realize the context of my post. I was not talking about reality I was talking about most fans perception of reality.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 12, 2021 14:59:02 GMT -8
Good to know my perceptions were correct. Padres are definitely the longest, 10-minutes longer than the average game league-wide. I grew up a Padres & Mariners fan, and they're games tend to be closer to the league average. I also tend to follow a lot of the West coast teams, like SF & Oakland which are also much shorter than the Padres. No one is under 3 hours. No. One. That is ridiculous. Where did I say anyone is under 3 hours? I said the Padres are definitely the longest, 10 minutes longer than the league average which is true. And I said the Mariners, SF & Oakland's games are much shorter than the Padres, which they are. I have no issues with a 3:05-3:10-ish minute game, but we've had several that fall into the 4+ hour range this year which bumps are overall average up. But we do tend to run a little longer than others overall.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 12, 2021 15:30:21 GMT -8
No one is under 3 hours. No. One. That is ridiculous. Where did I say anyone is under 3 hours? I said the Padres are definitely the longest, 10 minutes longer than the league average which is true. And I said the Mariners, SF & Oakland's games are much shorter than the Padres, which they are. I have no issues with a 3:05-3:10-ish minute game, but we've had several that fall into the 4+ hour range this year which bumps are overall average up. But we do tend to run a little longer than others overall. Teams with good hitters that can work the counts tend to have longer games, no? We are one of the most patient lineups in MLB at working counts, battling off pitches, and drawing walks
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Post by aardvark on Jul 12, 2021 15:45:23 GMT -8
No one is under 3 hours. No. One. That is ridiculous. Where did I say anyone is under 3 hours? I said the Padres are definitely the longest, 10 minutes longer than the league average which is true. And I said the Mariners, SF & Oakland's games are much shorter than the Padres, which they are. I have no issues with a 3:05-3:10-ish minute game, but we've had several that fall into the 4+ hour range this year which bumps are overall average up. But we do tend to run a little longer than others overall. You didn't say anything about 3 hour games. I did. And "much shorter" is really a relative term, when the shortest team's time-of-game and longest time-of-game are only 17 minutes apart.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 12, 2021 16:58:25 GMT -8
Where did I say anyone is under 3 hours? I said the Padres are definitely the longest, 10 minutes longer than the league average which is true. And I said the Mariners, SF & Oakland's games are much shorter than the Padres, which they are. I have no issues with a 3:05-3:10-ish minute game, but we've had several that fall into the 4+ hour range this year which bumps are overall average up. But we do tend to run a little longer than others overall. You didn't say anything about 3 hour games. I did. And "much shorter" is really a relative term, when the shortest team's time-of-game and longest time-of-game are only 17 minutes apart. Yes, and when throughout history 3 hours has been just fine it shows how little the time difference is that you're arguing about. A problem is the 7:10 start that turns into a 10:30 finish. That alone isn't terrible but when starts were 7:05 and games ended by 10:10-10:15 I could practically be home by 10:30 instead of just walking out. Again, it's just 10 minutes but those aren't the problem. It's the 4 hour games, which we've had several.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 12, 2021 17:05:42 GMT -8
You didn't say anything about 3 hour games. I did. And "much shorter" is really a relative term, when the shortest team's time-of-game and longest time-of-game are only 17 minutes apart. Yes, and when throughout history 3 hours has been just fine it shows how little the time difference is that you're arguing about. A problem is the 7:10 start that turns into a 10:30 finish. That alone isn't terrible but when starts were 7:05 and games ended by 10:10-10:15 I could practically be home by 10:30 instead of just walking out. Again, it's just 10 minutes but those aren't the problem. It's the 4 hour games, which we've had several. In all of baseball history, the average game was 3 hours for the first time in the 2000 season. Then you had time-of-games back under 3 hours every year until 2012. The games have trended longer each season until reaching their longest point in 2019, and equaled again this season. Time-of-game is trending in the wrong direction. I'm arguing nothing--just pointing out facts.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 18:34:51 GMT -8
I would be willing to bet, without having the data in front of me, that the replay process (without informing anyone what is being reviewed) takes up a chunk of this time. As does the incessant ego of the average umpire who feels compelled to yell back at players/managers after they butcher the strike zone. It's pretty simple - They need an actual pitch clock. That would virtually solve all of the problems. As a person who went to the longest game in Padre history, I just don't mind it though. Small potatoes. The real problem isn't pace of play, it's balls in play. MLB has a pitch clock. They also have a clock on mound visits. They also have a clock between innings. But there is apparently no penalty for anyone who exceeds the various clock limits. What MLB needs to do is enforce rules already on the books. Baseball also needs to rid themselves of some really horrible umpires that they currently have. For that matter, they need to get rid of the really horrible commissioner that they currently have. I think the pitch clock is only in the minors this year, MLB in ‘22 or’23. I havent noticed any pitch clock this year.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 12, 2021 20:39:35 GMT -8
MLB has a pitch clock. They also have a clock on mound visits. They also have a clock between innings. But there is apparently no penalty for anyone who exceeds the various clock limits. What MLB needs to do is enforce rules already on the books. Baseball also needs to rid themselves of some really horrible umpires that they currently have. For that matter, they need to get rid of the really horrible commissioner that they currently have. I think the pitch clock is only in the minors this year, MLB in ‘22 or’23. I havent noticed any pitch clock this year. There is a pitch clock, but perhaps it's just decorative. It resets to 20 seconds after each pitch.
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