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Post by aztecryan on Jul 12, 2021 22:10:29 GMT -8
I think the pitch clock is only in the minors this year, MLB in ‘22 or’23. I havent noticed any pitch clock this year. There is a pitch clock, but perhaps it's just decorative. It resets to 20 seconds after each pitch. Yeah, it's never been enforced. Actual enforcement would probably shave 10 minutes off, with how often batters reset after every pitch to adjust their batting gloves, walk around the umpire, stare off into oblivion, stare at the third base coach, ask the umpire what he had for lunch, etc.
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Post by survalli on Jul 13, 2021 10:11:24 GMT -8
As usual, Ryan, whatever you say. You disagree andI don’t so there you go The level of strategy now in the game actually matters. Unlike in Canepa's era when bullpens didn't exist and you had the same pitcher going 8 innings, despite getting shelled. It's just a different game. maybe, but pitchers are getting shelled now resulting in more runs being scored and more pitches thrown, and that is ultimately what is leading to longer games.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2021 11:44:16 GMT -8
The level of strategy now in the game actually matters. Unlike in Canepa's era when bullpens didn't exist and you had the same pitcher going 8 innings, despite getting shelled. It's just a different game. maybe, but pitchers are getting shelled now resulting in more runs being scored and more pitches thrown, and that is ultimately what is leading to longer games. Runs per game are nearly down a half run since 2019. Strikeout rates have set consecutive records for a dozen straight seasons (through 2019)...So, no. That's not it.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 13, 2021 11:45:34 GMT -8
Yes, and when throughout history 3 hours has been just fine it shows how little the time difference is that you're arguing about. A problem is the 7:10 start that turns into a 10:30 finish. That alone isn't terrible but when starts were 7:05 and games ended by 10:10-10:15 I could practically be home by 10:30 instead of just walking out. Again, it's just 10 minutes but those aren't the problem. It's the 4 hour games, which we've had several. In all of baseball history, the average game was 3 hours for the first time in the 2000 season. Then you had time-of-games back under 3 hours every year until 2012. The games have trended longer each season until reaching their longest point in 2019, and equaled again this season. Time-of-game is trending in the wrong direction. I'm arguing nothing--just pointing out facts. 3 hours has been the norm since the early to mid 90s (2:54-2:57). We're talking a 15-17 minute overall difference, or around 100-110 seconds per inning (< 1 minute per team AB). The gap isn't that much. IMO it's a much more cognitive game today than then, with more pitching changes, players taking more pitches, etc. Instant replays haven't helped the cause either. The Padres just happen to be worse than anyone, given our SP's woes, # of pitches taken, closeness of games, etc. But I wouldn't trade some of those epic 4+ hour games we've played for the 1980-old school 2:45 minute games we used to play.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 13, 2021 11:55:29 GMT -8
In all of baseball history, the average game was 3 hours for the first time in the 2000 season. Then you had time-of-games back under 3 hours every year until 2012. The games have trended longer each season until reaching their longest point in 2019, and equaled again this season. Time-of-game is trending in the wrong direction. I'm arguing nothing--just pointing out facts. 3 hours has been the norm since the early to mid 90s (2:54-2:57). We're talking a 15-17 minute overall difference, or around 100-110 seconds per inning (< 1 minute per team AB). The gap isn't that much. IMO it's a much more cognitive game today than then, with more pitching changes, players taking more pitches, etc. Instant replays haven't helped the cause either. The Padres just happen to be worse than anyone, given our SP's woes, # of pitches taken, closeness of games, etc. But I wouldn't trade some of those epic 4+ hour games we've played for the 1980-old school 2:45 minute games we used to play. Well, certainly not the 2:45 games we used to play--and lose.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 12:22:04 GMT -8
The level of strategy now in the game actually matters. Unlike in Canepa's era when bullpens didn't exist and you had the same pitcher going 8 innings, despite getting shelled. It's just a different game. maybe, but pitchers are getting shelled now resulting in more runs being scored and more pitches thrown, and that is ultimately what is leading to longer games. That's not true at all, sir. Offense is DOWN.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 13, 2021 12:38:19 GMT -8
The level of strategy now in the game actually matters. Unlike in Canepa's era when bullpens didn't exist and you had the same pitcher going 8 innings, despite getting shelled. It's just a different game. maybe, but pitchers are getting shelled now resulting in more runs being scored and more pitches thrown, and that is ultimately what is leading to longer games. Pitches per plate appearance are also down below 2019 and 2020 levels.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 13, 2021 13:00:36 GMT -8
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Post by aardvark on Jul 13, 2021 13:47:55 GMT -8
Why would the home relief pitcher be credited with a blown save? At the start of the inning, the score is tied. He could get the loss, or a win, but not a blown save.
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Post by survalli on Jul 13, 2021 14:25:40 GMT -8
maybe, but pitchers are getting shelled now resulting in more runs being scored and more pitches thrown, and that is ultimately what is leading to longer games. Runs per game are nearly down a half run since 2019. Strikeout rates have set consecutive records for a dozen straight seasons (through 2019)...So, no. That's not it. you were comparing today's game to Canepa's day, which im going to assume was not 2019.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 13, 2021 15:37:53 GMT -8
Runs per game are nearly down a half run since 2019. Strikeout rates have set consecutive records for a dozen straight seasons (through 2019)...So, no. That's not it. you were comparing today's game to Canepa's day, which im going to assume was not 2019. Not in that particular context, no.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 13, 2021 15:47:55 GMT -8
Why would the home relief pitcher be credited with a blown save? At the start of the inning, the score is tied. He could get the loss, or a win, but not a blown save. My bad - the road RP; 2 of Melancon's 4 BS's were due to that rule. It's dumb that a sacrifice & sac fly can be a BS.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 13, 2021 16:17:14 GMT -8
Does the extra innings reliever inherit the second base runner, or is it their baserunner ie. if that runner scores, does it count against their ERA?
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 13, 2021 16:43:52 GMT -8
Does the extra innings reliever inherit the second base runner, or is it their baserunner ie. if that runner scores, does it count against their ERA? It's an unearned run - doesn't count against ERA, BUT if your team scores 1 run in the top half the inning & that runner scores it's a blown save. The counterargument is if your team doesn't score & you give up the unearned run it's a loss, but for some reason that bugs me less than getting a BS.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 16, 2021 15:23:46 GMT -8
Nice hustle by Machado and Pham to beat out slow rollers, and another nice 2 out RBI by Hosmer. Hosmer's been hitting the ball very well lately. We need his contribution to continue.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 16, 2021 15:26:01 GMT -8
Nice hustle by Machado and Pham to beat out slow rollers, and another nice 2 out RBI by Hosmer. Hosmer's been hitting the ball very well lately. We need his contribution to continue. Before he gets traded.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 16, 2021 15:37:32 GMT -8
Nice hustle by Machado and Pham to beat out slow rollers, and another nice 2 out RBI by Hosmer. Hosmer's been hitting the ball very well lately. We need his contribution to continue. Before he gets traded. Let's get all we can out of him.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 16, 2021 15:38:32 GMT -8
Great play by Tatis, and nice pick by Hosmer.
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Post by junior on Jul 16, 2021 15:44:17 GMT -8
Another lackluster start by Paddack. At least the Padres aren't at home so they're only back to a tie game instead of being in the hole already.
Maybe he gets traded - but who's buying that. Right now, though, starting pitching is in trouble, and there are just too many question marks. Seems only Musgrove and Dervish can be counted on, and now Darvish is a question mark. The others? Not pulling their weight at this time…
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 16, 2021 16:14:35 GMT -8
Hosmer with ANOTHER 2 out RBI. He's on a tear.
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