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Post by jmarshall on Aug 3, 2021 19:41:11 GMT -8
PLEASE!
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Post by standiego on Aug 3, 2021 20:05:27 GMT -8
A statement Dr Malone is the "supposed expert ' that Tucker Carlson has on his show to validate those who do not believe in getting the Vaccination .
Provides a good deal of information on Linked In and other alternative websites . Any chance that is where you get your information
Do not see the FDA , CDC , NIH, NEJM , ...... listing him as a credited resource person .
Also other sources are back checking some of his claims
As mentioned Former President Trump got vaccinated , do not know if his grand children did we would have to ask Jared and Ms I . Maybe you can check into it for us . Senator Graham did also and recently said he was thankful he did as so are many others .
I do think it is important for most Americans to get the Vaccinations so The President of SDSU can open up the Campus and have it Safe place to go to school for students and workers .
Also hope we can hold off Covid so Basketball Fans can attend games will take a lot of work by Our SDSU President and co operation from the rest of us
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Post by fisher1fan on Aug 3, 2021 20:07:31 GMT -8
Your explanation seems rational and lucid to me.....I chose to be vaccinated but to each his own....For those who choose not to receive the shots.....don't expect the government to pay for your medical expenses if you become infirmed! That means that someone else's vaccination status matter none to you. There is no scientific reason to require those who choose not to get vaccinated to get vaccinated. Life has percentages. Risk/reward. Other people vaccinated status impacts the likelihood, not a guarantee. Getting 5 four star basketball doesn’t guarantee a win. It helps. Go Sports. Seatbelts help decrease the risk. Speeding, texting, and drunk driving don’t guarantee bad results. A vaccine helps reduce risk for others. But what do I know, I just type words on a sports forum. Go sports
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Post by zbt69 on Aug 3, 2021 22:16:33 GMT -8
[quote author=" fisher1fan" Denso60 you completely missed the most relevant point about not being selfish and getting vaccinated. You not only protect yourself and protect others you help to stop Covid'19 from mutating. Pretty important reason. source="/post/1197326/thread" timestamp="1628050051"] That means that someone else's vaccination status matter none to you. There is no scientific reason to require those who choose not to get vaccinated to get vaccinated. Life has percentages. Risk/reward. Other people vaccinated status impacts the likelihood, not a guarantee. Getting 5 four star basketball doesn’t guarantee a win. It helps. Go Sports. Seatbelts help decrease the risk. Speeding, texting, and drunk driving don’t guarantee bad results. A vaccine helps reduce risk for others. But what do I know, I just type words on a sports forum. Go sports [/quote]
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Post by azson on Aug 4, 2021 8:42:17 GMT -8
Your explanation seems rational and lucid to me.....I chose to be vaccinated but to each his own....For those who choose not to receive the shots.....don't expect the government to pay for your medical expenses if you become infirmed! Much comes from Dr. Robert Malone. He was a pioneer in mRNA vaccines (did the work at the Salk Institute here in San Diego in the late 80s) and is one of the patent holders for the platform. He was brought into discussion by some Canadian doctors who were seeing some serious issues resulting from the vaccine. He has since been censored my the major media though they have slowly started to report what he has been saying for months now may be true. To be quite brief, here is some of what he has said: 1. The COVID spike protein in itself is cytotoxic.2. The currently "approved" COVID vaccines manufacture the spike protein though the producers have not been required to state how much spike protein they make. 3. The currently "approved" COVID vaccines makers claimed that the spike proteins they make doesn't matter because they are "anchored" into the location of the injection. This has been shown to be untrue, the spike proteins do release into the blood stream and accumulate in places like the ovaries, heart, lungs and brains leading to clotting issues and heart inflammation. It is interesting to note that Pfizer made nearly $19B in extra profit in their last quarter and showed extra profits in their anticoagulant drug Eliquios and cardiomyopathy drug Vindaqel are also seeing a bit boost in profits. If you are going to give a non-FDA-approved vaccines that are forced on the population and then already have drugs approved to deal with the adverse reactions that is a great business plan; may not be ethical, but money talks. 4. The FDA recommended that the vaccine producers test for Antibody Dependent Enhancement, a known issue with mRNA vaccines. However, they didn't demand such testing be done and it wasn't done. He has also posted that there have been serious ethical violations associated with the promotion on these vaccines, which violate international law for medical experimentation. In Canada, they have even gone so far to entice children with ice cream to get the shot without their parents' knowledge or consent. Here in America, we are seeing getting an experimental vaccine being made mandatory by both public and private institutions. Again, this violates international law. Again, the vaccines do not convey sterilizing immunity. You can still get the jab and get infected and transmit the virus. Vaccinated people can transmit the virus to vaccinated, or non vaccinated people. Same can be said vice-versa. That means that someone else's vaccination status matter none to you. There is no scientific reason to require those who choose not to get vaccinated to get vaccinated. Experts say there is no evidence that the spike proteins produced by the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, or the spike protein created by genetic material in the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, are toxic.www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/16/youtube-videos/no-sign-covid-19-vaccines-spike-protein-toxic-or-c/
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Post by standiego on Aug 4, 2021 10:55:27 GMT -8
Coug has a very detailed explanation what has been going on with the Administration and the SDSU position on the issues - also what our SDSU's President can and can not do by herself - it is all in the other post about Aztec Warrior . Well worth reading to get the facts .
My guess primary on her plate is the handling of the Covid situations . Quite a lot of time spent on these issues . Especially when you may need to buck all the mis or dis information that goes on out there .
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Post by pbnative on Aug 4, 2021 12:53:46 GMT -8
Coug has a very detailed explanation what has been going on with the Administration and the SDSU position on the issues - also what our SDSU's President can and can not do by herself - it is all in the other post about Aztec Warrior . Well worth reading to get the facts . My guess primary on her plate is the handling of the Covid situations . Quite a lot of time spent on these issues . Especially when you may need to buck all the mis or dis information that goes on out there . I think the horse is dead my friend.
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Post by Den60 on Aug 4, 2021 14:32:40 GMT -8
A statement Dr Malone is the "supposed expert ' that Tucker Carlson has on his show to validate those who do not believe in getting the Vaccination . Provides a good deal of information on Linked In and other alternative websites . Any chance that is where you get your information Do not see the FDA , CDC , NIH, NEJM , ...... listing him as a credited resource person . Also other sources are back checking some of his claims As mentioned Former President Trump got vaccinated , do not know if his grand children did we would have to ask Jared and Ms I . Maybe you can check into it for us . Senator Graham did also and recently said he was thankful he did as so are many others . I do think it is important for most Americans to get the Vaccinations so The President of SDSU can open up the Campus and have it Safe place to go to school for students and workers . Also hope we can hold off Covid so Basketball Fans can attend games will take a lot of work by Our SDSU President and co operation from the rest of us Um, he is on the patent: patents.google.com/patent/US5703055A/enAgain, if you actually read what he is saying he is not an anti-vaxxer, but he believes the lack of transparency in the approval process will hinder vaccination, which is why he wants questions answered. He clearly says, however, steps were skipped in the development of the vaccines. He also believes that, without knowing all the risks, one cannot make an informed decision. He did get the shot, but he believes the risk of a serious adverse reactions to the vaccine outweighs the benefits in the young and healthy, especially in the currently "approved" 12-17 year range. One of the things he said is that, in the development of vaccines and medications, your product is considered dangerous until you prove it isn't. You think CNN or MSNBC are going to allow him on their networks? No. LinkedIn pulled his profile but later relented and put it back up after many contacted LinkedIn to say if he wasn't reinstated they would cancel their membership. Facebook has been shown that they will censor anything that questions the administrations policies as to COVID. The scientific method demands open debate and yet so many are censoring and censuring those who question anything this administration says. Just remember, Cuomo and Newsom said they would allow the "Trump" vaccine into their states until their own people cleared it. Once Biden came into office, they changed their tune. When it comes down to it, lockdowns are likely to be imminent again. The vaccine isn't doing what we were told it would do. Fully vaccinated people are contracting the virus, they are spreading it, and those most at risk are still being hospitalized and dying with it. The positive to this is the delta strain is less lethal than earlier strains. Of course, it could be that the first waves took the "low hanging fruit." I don't think lockdowns did much, look at Sweden and then compare them to Germany or the UK. Even Japan is seeing another surge despite being the poster child for what to do during the initial waves. To be frank, we won't see "herd immunity" until the virus makes its way through the population. Its too bad that people are not being told how to put themselves in the best position to fight off the disease before it takes hold or some drugs like ivermectin that have shown to be an effective prophylactic and therapeutic. Below is a link to a nice podcast Dr. Malone had with another doctor. He explains how he was brought into the discussion and then some of the things he has discovered that concern him: trialsitenews.com/dr-robert-malone-inventor-of-mrna-technology-discusses-the-spike-protein-interview/
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Post by Den60 on Aug 4, 2021 14:50:45 GMT -8
Much comes from Dr. Robert Malone. He was a pioneer in mRNA vaccines (did the work at the Salk Institute here in San Diego in the late 80s) and is one of the patent holders for the platform. He was brought into discussion by some Canadian doctors who were seeing some serious issues resulting from the vaccine. He has since been censored my the major media though they have slowly started to report what he has been saying for months now may be true. To be quite brief, here is some of what he has said: 1. The COVID spike protein in itself is cytotoxic.2. The currently "approved" COVID vaccines manufacture the spike protein though the producers have not been required to state how much spike protein they make. 3. The currently "approved" COVID vaccines makers claimed that the spike proteins they make doesn't matter because they are "anchored" into the location of the injection. This has been shown to be untrue, the spike proteins do release into the blood stream and accumulate in places like the ovaries, heart, lungs and brains leading to clotting issues and heart inflammation. It is interesting to note that Pfizer made nearly $19B in extra profit in their last quarter and showed extra profits in their anticoagulant drug Eliquios and cardiomyopathy drug Vindaqel are also seeing a bit boost in profits. If you are going to give a non-FDA-approved vaccines that are forced on the population and then already have drugs approved to deal with the adverse reactions that is a great business plan; may not be ethical, but money talks. 4. The FDA recommended that the vaccine producers test for Antibody Dependent Enhancement, a known issue with mRNA vaccines. However, they didn't demand such testing be done and it wasn't done. He has also posted that there have been serious ethical violations associated with the promotion on these vaccines, which violate international law for medical experimentation. In Canada, they have even gone so far to entice children with ice cream to get the shot without their parents' knowledge or consent. Here in America, we are seeing getting an experimental vaccine being made mandatory by both public and private institutions. Again, this violates international law. Again, the vaccines do not convey sterilizing immunity. You can still get the jab and get infected and transmit the virus. Vaccinated people can transmit the virus to vaccinated, or non vaccinated people. Same can be said vice-versa. That means that someone else's vaccination status matter none to you. There is no scientific reason to require those who choose not to get vaccinated to get vaccinated. Experts say there is no evidence that the spike proteins produced by the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, or the spike protein created by genetic material in the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, are toxic.www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/16/youtube-videos/no-sign-covid-19-vaccines-spike-protein-toxic-or-c/Wow, who can argue with the preeminent medical source, politifact? <sarcasm> Again, the COVID spike protein is cytotoxic. You are confusing that with the spike protein created by the vaccine. Dr. Malone has said that they have not shown whether or not the vaccine produced spike protein is not cytotoxic, which the pharmaceutical companies then explain away with "even it it were it stays anchored at the site of injection." However, that latter statement has been proven wrong. You are seeing vaccinated people having issues similar to those a severe COVID infection - blood clotting being the most prominent. People are seeing the spike proteins in organs of vaccinated people, the ovaries being a very popular location for some reason. That isn't supposed to happen.
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Post by Den60 on Aug 4, 2021 15:45:01 GMT -8
Coug has a very detailed explanation what has been going on with the Administration and the SDSU position on the issues - also what our SDSU's President can and can not do by herself - it is all in the other post about Aztec Warrior . Well worth reading to get the facts . My guess primary on her plate is the handling of the Covid situations . Quite a lot of time spent on these issues . Especially when you may need to buck all the mis or dis information that goes on out there . I think the horse is dead my friend. Again, COVID may derail any plans for having fans at football and basketball games if not a complete cancellation of the sports again. We were told, "get the shot and things go back to normal." We are already seeing the implementation of mask mandates and soon we will start seeing other restrictions, so we are not looking like anything close to "normal." I have read that the administration have already composed a "sober" speech Biden will make advocating another lock down. We are already seeing that happening around the world, and the resultant protests in Europe (France the biggest) and Australia where they have called out the military to suppress the protests.
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Post by pbnative on Aug 4, 2021 15:48:59 GMT -8
I think the horse is dead my friend. Again, COVID may derail any plans for having fans at football and basketball games if not a complete cancellation of the sports again. We were told, "get the shot and things go back to normal." We are already seeing the implementation of mask mandates and soon we will start seeing other restrictions, so we are not looking like anything close to "normal." I have read that the administration have already composed a "sober" speech Biden will make advocating another lock down. We are already seeing that happening around the world, and the resultant protests in Europe (France the biggest) and Australia where they have called out the military to suppress the protests. was responding to Stan the resident broken record for posting the same thing for the 50th time. I'm fully aware of the situation and maybe faced with "voluntary" vax or pay out of pocket for weekly testing. (i. e. find a new job.)
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Post by standiego on Aug 4, 2021 17:14:38 GMT -8
My last post was: that I believe Coug has the best information about the Aztec Warrior - he has posted it
Then I did say that with the New Variant that the Covid Situation has again had a resurgence . It is a very serious situation that takes a lot of time for Our SDSU President and the administration . I also said I think we will all need to co operate to make sure we try to get the Covid situation under control and the importance of trying to have a safe campus for all .
One could say I tried to stay on topic and suggested people read what Coug has written about the University's process not my thoughts
Believe - some one again got off course and went on about Mis or Dis Information about Vaccinations or as some called it "Alternative Facts" , ie ..thoughts from Fox News 's Dr Malone- you may want to take a look at some of the fact checks about Dr Malone's information .
Then drop in your Mentalist Mind Reading thoughts or basically back to Mis or Dis Information what President Biden would be saying ( again adding that it would be a" Sober Speech " how should we take that swipe ). Your thoughts that The President would Lock Down the country . Force Mandates .... have not seen those statements . What he has said is PLEASE get vaccinated Why do you look to divide us when working together is so important to try to stop Covid .
On the Vaccinations . You say they are not doing their job . Just the opposite people who have been Fully Vaccinated do NOT have to go to Medical facilities ( as Republican Senator Lindsey Graham said recently Thankfully he received the Vaccinations and only has Flu Like symptoms> ) Also at least 99% of those who are vaccinated do NOT have to go to a Medical Facility while over 90% of those who are Not Vaccinated have to go to Emergency Rooms and a strong % have to get put on Machines and or pass away . This should not be a Political Issue - it is a medical issue
I may repeat things because I do think it is serious and some people do not care to listen - as you have proved
time to work together and solve this issue
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Post by gocoaztec on Aug 4, 2021 18:50:37 GMT -8
Stan, You constantly harp on other posters “mis-information”, so I’m very curious to know your source for “while over 90% of those who are Not Vaccinated have to go to Emergency Rooms and a strong % have to get put on Machines and or pass away.”? Here’s a table with more accurate information regarding hospitalization and the real number, as best it could be determined, is only 1 to 5 percent need hospitalization (btw, not necessarily via the emergency room). fee.org/articles/americans-are-wildly-misinformed-about-the-risk-of-hospitalization-from-covid-19-survey-shows-here-s-why/Note, from the table in the article, that Republicans where 2.5 times more likely to have accurate responses than Democrats. Liberal news sources tend to greatly exaggerate, resulting in the incredibly inaccurate Democrat response. Perhaps you have been the victim of this false information?
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Post by fisher1fan on Aug 4, 2021 19:22:37 GMT -8
People quoting statistics with or without qualified medical groups, a random doctor, or outdated articles from more than 3 months ago is sad, misleading, and adds no substance, especially to the Title of Aztec Warrior.
I’d rather hear about the pretty girl or handsome guy that you didn’t talk to but might have had a shot with, only if you tried. It’s at least interesting
I’m out. Good luck with your rabbit hole. Paint the roses Red or whatever color you prefer.
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Post by standiego on Aug 4, 2021 21:28:12 GMT -8
First back to the subject Aztec Warrior . As I have said Coug has a very good presentation of what has been done by The Administration and the last few years concerning the topic . There are facts to observe .
There have also been posted printed positions by our current President of SDSU . In basics : AZTECS Past Present and Future There can and should be exchange of ideas . BUT it sure seems that there are people who move from exchange of ideas to Labeling and trying to belittle others they do not agree with . Is there any reason or need to stoop to that level . For example our Labeling our SDSU President as a POS . Or the labels put on others - WHY - ?
I did bring up that trying to Fully Prepare the SDSU campus to open and be safe is the main priority of the Administration at this time. Not an easy thing to do today -
I believe that CA State schools had said that students and workers needed ( other then medical or possibly religious issues be vaccinated . I hope this happens and students can go to classes and teachers can teach . Also would be great if we can have fans at events . This make take some co operation from all
Think we were getting back to the subject and then the Reflection away from the topic or even worse the Mis or Dis Information . This time about a serious topic lives and deaths of our fellow Americans - What is the current count of lives we have lost - plus the overload of our health workers . So some feel it is important to make this Political or Bully others . About Vaccinations no less
I did not bring up Dr Robert Malone . But I did go read information about him . His back ground , .... also noting that some of his claims have been fact checked as not exactly correct . Also of note are that he is a Contributor for Tucker Carlson and Fox news about Vaccinations and his reasons why he is against them them . I have seen The CDC Director , NIH , and others on both Fox and MSNBS . Numerous people from both sides of the aisle have been on CNN, ABC , NBC , CBS .... and most networks but NOT Dr Malone . Did not see him listed by CDC or NIH ...
You ask what News Sources have talked about the very high rate of those that are coming into the Hospitals with Covid are NON Vaccinated people . That comes from Reuters , Associated Press , Wall Street Journal , Axios , ABC , CBS , NBS , CNN and they talk with Hospital officials throughout the country . I understand that if you only get information from Fox , Talk radio , ... you have a different View and wish you luck health wise . Those who are vaccinated are less likely to have to go to the hospital and less likely to die
I am hoping for a Safe SDSU Campus - where students can learn .. Also would be great to have sports back and fans in the stands .
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Post by aardvark on Aug 4, 2021 21:45:56 GMT -8
First back to the subject Aztec Warrior . As I have said Coug has a very good presentation of what has been done by The Administration and the last few years concerning the topic . There are facts to observe . There have also been posted printed positions by our current President of SDSU . In basics : AZTECS Past Present and Future There can and should be exchange of ideas . BUT it sure seems that there are people who move from exchange of ideas to Labeling and trying to belittle others they do not agree with . Is there any reason or need to stoop to that level . For example our Labeling our SDSU President as a POS . Or the labels put on others - WHY - ? I did bring up that trying to Fully Prepare the SDSU campus to open and be safe is the main priority of the Administration at this time. Not an easy thing to do today - I believe that CA State schools had said that students and workers needed ( other then medical or possibly religious issues be vaccinated . I hope this happens and students can go to classes and teachers can teach . Also would be great if we can have fans at events . This make take some co operation from all Think we were getting back to the subject and then the Reflection away from the topic or even worse the Mis or Dis Information . This time about a serious topic lives and deaths of our fellow Americans - What is the current count of lives we have lost - plus the overload of our health workers . So some feel it is important to make this Political or Bully others . About Vaccinations no less I did not bring up Dr Robert Malone . But I did go read information about him . His back ground , .... also noting that some of his claims have been fact checked as not exactly correct . Also of note are that he is a Contributor for Tucker Carlson and Fox news about Vaccinations and his reasons why he is against them them . I have seen The CDC Director , NIH , and others on both Fox and MSNBS . Numerous people from both sides of the aisle have been on CNN, ABC , NBC , CBS .... and most networks but NOT Dr Malone . Did not see him listed by CDC or NIH ... You ask what News Sources have talked about the very high rate of those that are coming into the Hospitals with Covid are NON Vaccinated people . That comes from Reuters , Associated Press , Wall Street Journal , Axios , ABC , CBS , NBS , CNN and they talk with Hospital officials throughout the country . I understand that if you only get information from Fox , Talk radio , ... you have a different View and wish you luck health wise . Those who are vaccinated are less likely to have to go to the hospital and less likely to die I am hoping for a Safe SDSU Campus - where students can learn .. Also would be great to have sports back and fans in the stands . Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
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Post by AzTex on Aug 5, 2021 4:24:54 GMT -8
People quoting statistics with or without qualified medical groups, a random doctor, or outdated articles from more than 3 months ago is sad, misleading, and adds no substance, especially to the Title of Aztec Warrior. I’d rather hear about the pretty girl or handsome guy that you didn’t talk to but might have had a shot with, only if you tried. It’s at least interesting I’m out. Good luck with your rabbit hole. Paint the roses Red or whatever color you prefer. Remember that 73.8% of all statistics are made up.
Coincidentally, that's the same percentage of AM threads that get derailed into political discussions.
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Post by hoobs on Aug 5, 2021 4:50:49 GMT -8
Can this thread be "retired" ??
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Post by 🥸 Hopeless Aztec on Aug 5, 2021 5:53:33 GMT -8
Can this thread be "retired" ?? Are you sure? We keep it going then Stan can hit the 20k post mark by repeating the same thing over and over! Yah, maybe you are right and it should be retired.
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Post by hoobs on Aug 5, 2021 7:39:02 GMT -8
Can this thread be "retired" ?? Are you sure? We keep it going then Stan can hit the 20k post mark by repeating the same thing over and over! Yah, maybe you are right and it should be retired. No need to be snarky and call anyone out, that doesn't accomplish anything positive.
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