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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2021 13:23:11 GMT -8
According to ANYBODY who saw the the incidents. It was right in front of your face. You think it's ok to cuss out a teammate, and I don't. That's on you. Again, don't be naive. Do you really think Manny, et al, are going to come out in the middle of the season and say that wasn't cool what Pham did? Have you played organized sports before? Do you not know that it's a very bad thing to come down on your own teammates in ANY sport, especially on the field? If you haven't, then we can just chalk it up as a lack of experience/knowledge for you and that's ok. If you have played, then GET REAL. Moving on. This is wasted energy. LOL. Again, that's YOUR PERCEPTION! Not sure why you can't comprehend that? Most sports fans actually realize players get angry & can have heated exchanges, unless of course they've deemed themselves the morality police &/or the righteous ones. What I saw "in front of (my) face" was one player getting momentarily upset, and rightfully so. I see a passionate player who realizes his value to the team, and how a teammates mistake may cost the team if he has to miss any time! Since I haven't seen any issues arise as a result I, unlike you, don't see any reason to condemn Pham (or Kim) for their actions. Yes, I've played MANY organized sports and YES, I've seen stuff like this at least 200+ times over my lifetime, and probably more so. As the team captain of my HS basketball team I know I'd occasionally get on guys who blew assignments/switches, as was my role. You're on the court, or in this instance field, and you don't channel your anger for 2 hours later. It happens IN THE MOMENT. What I can "chalk it up to" is a lack of experience/knowledge for YOU, and that's OK. Again, not all of us believe we're the morality police, nor do we believe we're underground psychiatrists like you apparently do. Yes, moving on. Now if only you & a few others can MOVE ON from constantly nitpicking every action Pham takes & actually come to realize he's a valuable asset who's among our best hitters over the past 4-5+ weeks that would be AWESOME. Would love to not have to see those types of posts every other day! I was in the locker room when a sophomore called out a senior (who happened to lead the state of California in three pointers that year) for having a rough shooting half. The other players got ON him and had their senior captain's back. It was a non-issue the next day, but it was a very, very tense locker room for that day. Been there, done that.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2021 13:42:47 GMT -8
According to ANYBODY who saw the the incidents. It was right in front of your face. You think it's ok to cuss out a teammate, and I don't. That's on you. Again, don't be naive. Do you really think Manny, et al, are going to come out in the middle of the season and say that wasn't cool what Pham did? Have you played organized sports before? Do you not know that it's a very bad thing to come down on your own teammates in ANY sport, especially on the field? If you haven't, then we can just chalk it up as a lack of experience/knowledge for you and that's ok. If you have played, then GET REAL. Moving on. This is wasted energy. If his own teammates who were actually present in the clubhouse won't speak out....why would you? Kinda makes you wonder. Or at least it should. You have a lot to learn, instead of chastising other people who don't share your warped perspective, you should examine why you feel the need to obsess over things you have no control over. You should know this, but I'll help. They're not going to say anything to the media, but of course they will amongst themselves.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2021 13:48:36 GMT -8
Your theme, which many have pointed out to you, is that you'll never hold any team members of the Padres accountable. You simply can't see an obvious problem such as Pham cussing out a teammate more than once,etc.... Maybe you haven't played any organized sports, but that's a big time no no, whomever does it. There's a lot I let go, but when it comes to coming down on your teammates on the field, heck yes I'm going to bring it up. You're too far gone, and that tells me this is wasted time, actually I've known this, so bad on me. Be careful because the sand can get pretty deep. Moving on. You are obsessive with this, for some really strange reason. It's not my job as a fan to hold anyone accountable for anything. It's not yours, either. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Yes, I have played competitive sports, all over the country, for a very long time. I clashed with teammates. It happens. In the heat of the moment, things happen. You squash it and move on, like men. You don't obsess and harp on things over and over and over again, especially when you have no idea what you're talking about. You really need to take a step back and reevaluate, because this is borderline scary how you feel the need to insert yourself into situations where it isn't required. There's a difference between "accountability" and whatever this is that you are trying to convey. You aren't the gatekeeper of morality. "Getting into it on the field" didn't happen. It was a brief dugout incident and then it was over. Acting like Pham murdered someone in the outfield in broad daylight is melodramatic and false. Not obsessive, just responding. Obsessive? Look in the mirror. Of course, it happens, I'm not denying that, but it's a very bad thing to curse out your teammates. There's a lot of stuff that goes on that isn't good and I don't comment, but there's a line you shouldn't cross and this is one of them, and should be called out, and if you've really played on team sports you wouldn't deny this. Again, it's what you do. Sweep it under the rug, and you try to move on as quickly as possible. Shame on you.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2021 13:50:02 GMT -8
LOL. Again, that's YOUR PERCEPTION! Not sure why you can't comprehend that? Most sports fans actually realize players get angry & can have heated exchanges, unless of course they've deemed themselves the morality police &/or the righteous ones. What I saw "in front of (my) face" was one player getting momentarily upset, and rightfully so. I see a passionate player who realizes his value to the team, and how a teammates mistake may cost the team if he has to miss any time! Since I haven't seen any issues arise as a result I, unlike you, don't see any reason to condemn Pham (or Kim) for their actions. Yes, I've played MANY organized sports and YES, I've seen stuff like this at least 200+ times over my lifetime, and probably more so. As the team captain of my HS basketball team I know I'd occasionally get on guys who blew assignments/switches, as was my role. You're on the court, or in this instance field, and you don't channel your anger for 2 hours later. It happens IN THE MOMENT. What I can "chalk it up to" is a lack of experience/knowledge for YOU, and that's OK. Again, not all of us believe we're the morality police, nor do we believe we're underground psychiatrists like you apparently do. Yes, moving on. Now if only you & a few others can MOVE ON from constantly nitpicking every action Pham takes & actually come to realize he's a valuable asset who's among our best hitters over the past 4-5+ weeks that would be AWESOME. Would love to not have to see those types of posts every other day! I was in the locker room when a sophomore called out a senior (who happened to lead the state of California in three pointers that year) for having a rough shooting half. The other players got ON him and had their senior captain's back. It was a non-issue the next day, but it was a very, very tense locker room for that day. Been there, done that. I understand that, especially when they're just kids and at least that was confined to the locker room instead of for the world to see. But, not when a seasoned professional does it. Bad example.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2021 13:50:52 GMT -8
You are obsessive with this, for some really strange reason. It's not my job as a fan to hold anyone accountable for anything. It's not yours, either. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Yes, I have played competitive sports, all over the country, for a very long time. I clashed with teammates. It happens. In the heat of the moment, things happen. You squash it and move on, like men. You don't obsess and harp on things over and over and over again, especially when you have no idea what you're talking about. You really need to take a step back and reevaluate, because this is borderline scary how you feel the need to insert yourself into situations where it isn't required. There's a difference between "accountability" and whatever this is that you are trying to convey. You aren't the gatekeeper of morality. "Getting into it on the field" didn't happen. It was a brief dugout incident and then it was over. Acting like Pham murdered someone in the outfield in broad daylight is melodramatic and false. Well said, and you're a LOT nicer than me. Mmmhmmm.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 3, 2021 14:05:42 GMT -8
I'm going to put my 2 cents in on this.
I have not been a Pham supporter. I think my comments have shown that. But...the guy finally has a decent month--the best month he's had as a Padre, then this happens. Hopefully, he will be ready to go next game.
Anybody on this thread remember the 1984 Padres? That team had plenty of conflicts during the season. But they went to the World Series.
It's not always butterflies and rainbows over a 162-game season. I highly doubt this will be the only eruption like this during the season. I am also quite sure that Pham was genuinely pissed over the collision. Probably frustrated as well. And I think that both Kim and Pham will be just fine, and will be doing all that they can to end the losing streak at 4 games, starting tonight.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2021 14:14:16 GMT -8
You are obsessive with this, for some really strange reason. It's not my job as a fan to hold anyone accountable for anything. It's not yours, either. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Yes, I have played competitive sports, all over the country, for a very long time. I clashed with teammates. It happens. In the heat of the moment, things happen. You squash it and move on, like men. You don't obsess and harp on things over and over and over again, especially when you have no idea what you're talking about. You really need to take a step back and reevaluate, because this is borderline scary how you feel the need to insert yourself into situations where it isn't required. There's a difference between "accountability" and whatever this is that you are trying to convey. You aren't the gatekeeper of morality. "Getting into it on the field" didn't happen. It was a brief dugout incident and then it was over. Acting like Pham murdered someone in the outfield in broad daylight is melodramatic and false. Not obsessive, just responding. Obsessive? Look in the mirror. Of course, it happens, I'm not denying that, but it's a very bad thing to curse out your teammates. There's a lot of stuff that goes on that isn't good and I don't comment, but there's a line you shouldn't cross and this is one of them, and should be called out, and if you've really played on team sports you wouldn't deny this. Again, it's what you do. Sweep it under the rug, and you try to move on as quickly as possible. Shame on you. Shame on me for having actual perspective on an issue where you don't. Obsessive is saying the same key phrases repeatedly : "Hold him accountable." "Berated a teammate." "Deserves to be called out." "Terrible look for anyone who saw it." Unless you were involved in the play, it's not your place. Notice how the sane people in this thread didn't knee-jerk react in the moment and melt down like a jilted teenager? Some of us prefer to refrain from something that we AREN'T PRIVY TO.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2021 14:24:38 GMT -8
In far more important and relevant news, the Padres have appeared to dodge a bullet here.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2021 14:25:36 GMT -8
Not obsessive, just responding. Obsessive? Look in the mirror. Of course, it happens, I'm not denying that, but it's a very bad thing to curse out your teammates. There's a lot of stuff that goes on that isn't good and I don't comment, but there's a line you shouldn't cross and this is one of them, and should be called out, and if you've really played on team sports you wouldn't deny this. Again, it's what you do. Sweep it under the rug, and you try to move on as quickly as possible. Shame on you. Shame on me for having actual perspective on an issue where you don't. Obsessive is saying the same key phrases repeatedly : "Hold him accountable." "Berated a teammate." "Deserves to be called out." "Terrible look for anyone who saw it." Unless you were involved in the play, it's not your place. Notice how the sane people in this thread didn't knee-jerk react in the moment and melt down like a jilted teenager? Some of us prefer to refrain from something that we AREN'T PRIVY TO. Name attacking. That's what usually happens when one's defeated. I simply respond to you, since you always do in a negative way towards me, ever since we've coexistence here. It's all good Ryan. If you could ever muster up the nerve to say the words "not good" when it comes to a Padre player, then it would go a long way with people, instead of you burying your head in the sand and essentially saying, "no big deal" it would go a long way. Involved in the plays I have brought up? It was there for the world to see, over and over, and on replay. There was not much to dissect how he reacted to these incidents. Can't you find a way to say, "that wasn't good, but I'm sure they'll address it and move on." You can't say that it wasn't good and would have agreed with you and moved on.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2021 14:45:10 GMT -8
I'm going to put my 2 cents in on this. I have not been a Pham supporter. I think my comments have shown that. But...the guy finally has a decent month--the best month he's had as a Padre, then this happens. Hopefully, he will be ready to go next game. Anybody on this thread remember the 1984 Padres? That team had plenty of conflicts during the season. But they went to the World Series. It's not always butterflies and rainbows over a 162-game season. I highly doubt this will be the only eruption like this during the season. I am also quite sure that Pham was genuinely pissed over the collision. Probably frustrated as well. And I think that both Kim and Pham will be just fine, and will be doing all that they can to end the losing streak at 4 games, starting tonight. Definitely won't hurt the team, but the incidents aren't a good look from one of the clubhouse leaders. Moving on.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2021 15:03:27 GMT -8
Shame on me for having actual perspective on an issue where you don't. Obsessive is saying the same key phrases repeatedly : "Hold him accountable." "Berated a teammate." "Deserves to be called out." "Terrible look for anyone who saw it." Unless you were involved in the play, it's not your place. Notice how the sane people in this thread didn't knee-jerk react in the moment and melt down like a jilted teenager? Some of us prefer to refrain from something that we AREN'T PRIVY TO. Name attacking. That's what usually happens when one's defeated. I simply respond to you, since you always do in a negative way towards me, ever since we've coexistence here. It's all good Ryan. If you could ever muster up the nerve to say the words "not good" when it comes to a Padre player, then it would go a long way with people, instead of you burying your head in the sand and essentially saying, "no big deal" it would go a long way. Can't you find a way to say, "that wasn't good, but I'm sure they'll address it and move on." You can't say that it wasn't good and would have agreed with you and moved on. If anyone is getting defeated....it definitely isn't me. If you had any self-awareness in this thread, you would know you're coming out on the wrong end. And yet you double down and respond with the same thought process again and again. But, uh, okay. Sure thing. You've never seen me criticize a Padre player? Um, I distinctly remember doing that very recently here with regards to Fernando's throws and footwork, Cronenworth's hitting slump, Profar's inability to barrel anything this season, Hosmer's piss-poor attempts at defense...and the list goes on. There's a difference, however, between what is REAL and what is created. So, wrong on that one. I have plenty of critiques when warranted. It's my opinion that as a fan, I don't reserve the right to call out a player for an issue that I don't deem important or have the facts on in their entirety. As a writer, when I cover the team, that's a different story, no pun intended - I'm obligated to seek the truth. I don't see anything that happened yesterday as a big deal, or out of place, so I'm going to pass on "not good" because I know it will get handled internally and it's my honest opinion that it's not a big deal in the slightest. I'm not going to freak out because I know Tommy Pham's reputation in the clubhouse far exceeds a random play in June and DEFINITELY exceeds beyond whatever you are trying to incite outside of said random play with these bizarre inferences about swearing at Mateo and so on. Whole lot of nothing.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2021 15:48:27 GMT -8
Name attacking. That's what usually happens when one's defeated. I simply respond to you, since you always do in a negative way towards me, ever since we've coexistence here. It's all good Ryan. If you could ever muster up the nerve to say the words "not good" when it comes to a Padre player, then it would go a long way with people, instead of you burying your head in the sand and essentially saying, "no big deal" it would go a long way. Can't you find a way to say, "that wasn't good, but I'm sure they'll address it and move on." You can't say that it wasn't good and would have agreed with you and moved on. If anyone is getting defeated....it definitely isn't me. If you had any self-awareness in this thread, you would know you're coming out on the wrong end. And yet you double down and respond with the same thought process again and again. But, uh, okay. Sure thing. You've never seen me criticize a Padre player? Um, I distinctly remember doing that very recently here with regards to Fernando's throws and footwork, Cronenworth's hitting slump, Profar's inability to barrel anything this season, Hosmer's piss-poor attempts at defense...and the list goes on. There's a difference, however, between what is REAL and what is created. So, wrong on that one. I have plenty of critiques when warranted. It's my opinion that as a fan, I don't reserve the right to call out a player for an issue that I don't deem important or have the facts on in their entirety. As a writer, when I cover the team, that's a different story, no pun intended - I'm obligated to seek the truth. I don't see anything that happened yesterday as a big deal, or out of place, so I'm going to pass on "not good" because I know it will get handled internally and it's my honest opinion that it's not a big deal in the slightest. I'm not going to freak out because I know Tommy Pham's reputation in the clubhouse far exceeds a random play in June and DEFINITELY exceeds beyond whatever you are trying to incite outside of said random play with these bizarre inferences about swearing at Mateo and so on. Whole lot of nothing. You're really not fooling anybody Ryan. You'll bring up a critique against someone to smooth over your argument, like Cronenworth to defend Pham in the Pham thread. "Oh, but no one will talk about Cronenworths deficiencies." As a matter of fact, you started a thread about well Cronenworth and Grisham are doing, so save it. And, if you do critique someone, it's very rare. There's a reason why others have called you out on your homer instincts, and can't be real when needed. Its not doubling down when you're consistent with a fact that's there for everyone to see. Yeah, YOU don't deem noteworthy, but many do. Why don't you ask Coach Dickerson privately what he thinks of Pham. I'm sure he won't tell you. I'm done.
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Post by junior on Jun 3, 2021 18:31:50 GMT -8
I'm going to put my 2 cents in on this. I have not been a Pham supporter. I think my comments have shown that. But...the guy finally has a decent month--the best month he's had as a Padre, then this happens. Hopefully, he will be ready to go next game. Anybody on this thread remember the 1984 Padres? That team had plenty of conflicts during the season. But they went to the World Series. Two words.Dick.
Williams.LOL (oops, that's three)
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Post by junior on Jun 3, 2021 18:38:30 GMT -8
As far as it goes, it's not always just about a single incident… repeated incidents create a pattern. I think it's the pattern that's being questioned here more than yesterday's incident, but I may be wrong. I definitely agree that it's something to keep an eye on as the season progresses. I'm one that believes the old adage: Where there's smoke, there's fire…
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2021 19:02:28 GMT -8
As far as it goes, it's not always just about a single incident… repeated incidents create a pattern. I think it's the pattern that's being questioned here more than yesterday's incident, but I may be wrong. I definitely agree that it's something to keep an eye on as the season progresses. I'm one that believes the old adage: Where there's smoke, there's fire…Yes, that's what I've been saying all along. That's why I never said anything after he cussed out Mateo, even though that definitely raised some eyebrows. I saw a few other things before that, but it didn't warrant me mentioning it until the latest incident. Smoke where there's fire indeed.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2021 19:48:47 GMT -8
If anyone is getting defeated....it definitely isn't me. If you had any self-awareness in this thread, you would know you're coming out on the wrong end. And yet you double down and respond with the same thought process again and again. But, uh, okay. Sure thing. You've never seen me criticize a Padre player? Um, I distinctly remember doing that very recently here with regards to Fernando's throws and footwork, Cronenworth's hitting slump, Profar's inability to barrel anything this season, Hosmer's piss-poor attempts at defense...and the list goes on. There's a difference, however, between what is REAL and what is created. So, wrong on that one. I have plenty of critiques when warranted. It's my opinion that as a fan, I don't reserve the right to call out a player for an issue that I don't deem important or have the facts on in their entirety. As a writer, when I cover the team, that's a different story, no pun intended - I'm obligated to seek the truth. I don't see anything that happened yesterday as a big deal, or out of place, so I'm going to pass on "not good" because I know it will get handled internally and it's my honest opinion that it's not a big deal in the slightest. I'm not going to freak out because I know Tommy Pham's reputation in the clubhouse far exceeds a random play in June and DEFINITELY exceeds beyond whatever you are trying to incite outside of said random play with these bizarre inferences about swearing at Mateo and so on. Whole lot of nothing. You're really not fooling anybody Ryan. You'll bring up a critique against someone to smooth over your argument, like Cronenworth to defend Pham in the Pham thread. "Oh, but no one will talk about Cronenworths deficiencies." As a matter of fact, you started a thread about well Cronenworth and Grisham are doing, so save it. And, if you do critique someone, it's very rare. There's a reason why others have called you out on your homer instincts, and can't be real when needed. Its not doubling down when you're consistent with a fact that's there for everyone to see. Yeah, YOU don't deem noteworthy, but many do. Why don't you ask Coach Dickerson privately what he thinks of Pham. I'm sure he won't tell you. I'm done. I have heard it all...I'm a homer. Lol. That's absolutely hysterical. Thanks. I needed that. Yes, I started a thread on Croneworth and Grisham weeks ago when both were killing it, in the top ten in WAR production in the NL. Cronenworth has been awful the last two weeks, unfortunately. Not having an awful opinion on a non-issue doesn't make someone a homer, it makes them a non-believer in nonsensical, unquantifiable garbage. You don't have any facts : Facts require PROOF. You have no PROOF. You have a warped opinion on what you think you saw on a television. That isn't a fact on this planet or any other. You're consistently awful with your characterizations and overexaggerations, like it's really important that your morality shines through.. so there's that, I guess? I don't care who "calls me out"...This isn't a pride contest, it's about what's real and what isn't. I stand by what I say. Sometimes I'll be wrong, sometimes I'll be right. I guess the club's okay, considering they are shutting out a first place team. Weird how the dugout isn't on fire and nobody is exchanging punches.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2021 20:55:23 GMT -8
Here's a criticism : Fernando's concentration and throwing are going to be a major problem for a playoff/championship caliber team. Just not good enough to butcher a routine force play and the throws while stationary are constantly short of the target. Clearly protecting the shoulder, but it has to get better.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2021 20:59:41 GMT -8
You're really not fooling anybody Ryan. You'll bring up a critique against someone to smooth over your argument, like Cronenworth to defend Pham in the Pham thread. "Oh, but no one will talk about Cronenworths deficiencies." As a matter of fact, you started a thread about well Cronenworth and Grisham are doing, so save it. And, if you do critique someone, it's very rare. There's a reason why others have called you out on your homer instincts, and can't be real when needed. Its not doubling down when you're consistent with a fact that's there for everyone to see. Yeah, YOU don't deem noteworthy, but many do. Why don't you ask Coach Dickerson privately what he thinks of Pham. I'm sure he won't tell you. I'm done. I have heard it all...I'm a homer. Lol. That's absolutely hysterical. Thanks. I needed that. Yes, I started a thread on Croneworth and Grisham weeks ago when both were killing it, in the top ten in WAR production in the NL. Cronenworth has been awful the last two weeks, unfortunately. Not having an awful opinion on a non-issue doesn't make someone a homer, it makes them a non-believer in nonsensical, unquantifiable garbage. You don't have any facts : Facts require PROOF. You have no PROOF. You have a warped opinion on what you think you saw on a television. That isn't a fact on this planet or any other. You're consistently awful with your characterizations and overexaggerations, like it's really important that your morality shines through.. so there's that, I guess? I don't care who "calls me out"...This isn't a pride contest, it's about what's real and what isn't. I stand by what I say. Sometimes I'll be wrong, sometimes I'll be right. I guess the club's okay, considering they are shutting out a first place team. Weird how the dugout isn't on fire and nobody is exchanging punches. Don't go all dramatic on us again Ryan. I think just about everybody on here said that they'll be fine after all of that. You're right Ryan, maybe I'm going absolutely blind. I must be from the way you're making an obvious situation look like I'm nuts. Let's talk about awful for a moment. The way you spin stuff and use things to cover your narrative is just AWFUL. The way you cover your eyes to situations, so to speak, is not becoming at all, especially for a writer, if that's what you do. And remember, typically if more than two calls you out on something, (like homerism) it's usually time to look in the mirror. Now let's close this out Pads!!!
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2021 21:01:02 GMT -8
Here's a criticism : Fernando's concentration and throwing are going to be a major problem for a playoff/championship caliber team. Just not good enough to butcher a routine force play and the throws while stationary are constantly short of the target. Clearly protecting the shoulder, but it has to get better. I agree and I thought you brought up a good point previously, that he's favoring his shoulder on his throws.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2021 21:27:49 GMT -8
Here's a criticism : Fernando's concentration and throwing are going to be a major problem for a playoff/championship caliber team. Just not good enough to butcher a routine force play and the throws while stationary are constantly short of the target. Clearly protecting the shoulder, but it has to get better. Talk about someone being disingenuous. Nice try at the recovery though.
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