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Post by johneaztec on Jun 2, 2021 22:07:47 GMT -8
Maybe you missed the part where I said that it didn't raise any red flags to me, but if you put it all together.... Obviously you haven't looked as closely as I have, or you only see what you want to see, but I've seen him on camera, (Mateo for just one other instance, which I've mentioned before) cursing at a fellow teammate during the game, and you didn't need audio. It came clearly off his lips. He wasn't asking what he was doing after the game. He was pissed that Mateo almost collided with him and berated him under his breath for all to see, shaking his head and cursing him. You don't do that. Why do you like to defend that? My friend that was watching with me during that game thought he was a dick for doing that. Couple that with other instances and then today's scene, it's not a far fetched notion that the guy is angry. You don't have see it Ryan, if you don't and you obviously don't. Why do I like to defend that? Because I'm not one to vilify people I don't understand. I'm not one to pass judgment on someone because it's just not necessary to do so. It's not my place to judge Pham's intent because I just don't know what his intent is. I'm sorry your friend is judgmental, but that doesn't change the narrative much for me. Pham had every right to be upset today - He's worked his ass off to get back and contribute through multiple injuries, a degenerative eye condition and being STABBED. He clearly called Kim off, it was clearly his ball and he could have a concussion as a result. All this "muttering under his breath" and "berating" is subjective nonsense. Maybe I just don't believe in making mountains out of molehills. As stated, this stuff happens in clubhouses all the time. Human beings are flawed. That said, it's obviously not our place to cast stones when we just have no idea what the mechanics of the situation are. He's been through a lot, and I admire how he's getting through it, but that doesn't give anybody the right to berate someone or cuss them out. That's not something that you have to understand. It's simply wrong. You can defend that, but I'm not. My friend wasn't being judgmental, it was right in front of his face. Also, there's no mechanics to go through when it was a no brainer situation. He's gotten pissed at teammates in a demonstrative way that the cameras easily catch and it's a bad look. You're choosing to gloss over it, and others aren't. Ok.....
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 2, 2021 23:31:20 GMT -8
Why am I not surprised a couple people here define themselves as psychiatrists and took a shot at Pham while not knowing the first thing about the guy? Maybe you should take a clue from Tingler that they have passionate players and thats a GOOD THING!
But again, no surprise coming from this group. Funny how when he volunteers his time and buys kids bats nothing gets mentioned but breaking a bat over his knee indicates anger issues. Unreal.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 2, 2021 23:49:21 GMT -8
Why am I not surprised a couple people here define themselves as psychiatrists and took a shot at Pham while not knowing the first thing about the guy? Maybe you should take a clue from Tingler that they have passionate players and thats a GOOD THING! But again, no surprise coming from this group. Funny how when he volunteers his time and buys kids bats nothing gets mentioned but breaking a bat over his knee indicates anger issues. Unreal. Lol. What do you think Tingler's going to say. Gimme a break. There you go again, picking out only pieces of a conversation to fit your narrative. Uh huh, the only clue was Tommy Pham breaking a bat over his knee. Get real. Of course you won't bring up the main issues at hand, because it ruins your argument. Sheesh Tommy Pham may be a good guy off the field, but lately he's shown on camera that he can lose his cool with his teammates, and that's not a good thing. Also, of course there's a couple of guys in this group who are going to defend bad behavior and Pham at all costs. No surprise here.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2021 8:38:38 GMT -8
Why am I not surprised a couple people here define themselves as psychiatrists and took a shot at Pham while not knowing the first thing about the guy? Maybe you should take a clue from Tingler that they have passionate players and thats a GOOD THING! But again, no surprise coming from this group. Funny how when he volunteers his time and buys kids bats nothing gets mentioned but breaking a bat over his knee indicates anger issues. Unreal. Lol. What do you think Tingler's going to say. Gimme a break. There you go again, picking out only pieces of a conversation to fit your narrative. Uh huh, the only clue was Tommy Pham breaking a bat over his knee. Get real. Of course you won't bring up the main issues at hand, because it ruins your argument. Sheesh Tommy Pham may be a good guy off the field, but lately he's shown on camera that he can lose his cool with his teammates, and that's not a good thing. Also, of course there's a couple of guys in this group who are going to defend bad behavior and Pham at all costs. No surprise here. Bad behavior is your subjective, saintly opinion. The truth is that you have no idea besides what your confirmation bias reinforces. You have no clue if he was cussing *at* Mateo or anyone else. You're guessing, based on a preconceived negative bias towards the player. Take a cue from Doug Glanville, Bret Boone, Chris Young and the other actual former big leaguers who have all said in the last 24 hours that this stuff isn't a big deal, except to the armchair psychiatric ward with too much time on their hands.
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 3, 2021 9:05:30 GMT -8
To quote Acee (not Tingler):
"Kim messed up yesterday, perhaps because he couldn’t hear Pham. Wrigley was extremely loud. Kim also had a tough time with some balls in the series. He has played three infield positions well this season. But the rookie has started 11 of the past 12 and 19 of the past 21 games after starting 15 of the season’s first 35 games."
Most people get that Pham didn't screw up.
Maybe instead of trying to pass blame on Pham for everything that goes wrong on the team take an objective look & realize Pham's an asset who playing well & brings a fiery competitive nature to the field and that's a GOOD THING!
PS. If some people weren't always making uninformed, baseless comments to nitpick 1 player there wouldn't be a need to defend him.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2021 9:10:15 GMT -8
Lol. What do you think Tingler's going to say. Gimme a break. There you go again, picking out only pieces of a conversation to fit your narrative. Uh huh, the only clue was Tommy Pham breaking a bat over his knee. Get real. Of course you won't bring up the main issues at hand, because it ruins your argument. Sheesh Tommy Pham may be a good guy off the field, but lately he's shown on camera that he can lose his cool with his teammates, and that's not a good thing. Also, of course there's a couple of guys in this group who are going to defend bad behavior and Pham at all costs. No surprise here. Bad behavior is your subjective, saintly opinion. The truth is that you have no idea besides what your confirmation bias reinforces. You have no clue if he was cussing *at* Mateo or anyone else. You're guessing, based on a preconceived negative bias towards the player. Take a cue from Doug Glanville, Bret Boone, Chris Young and the other actual former big leaguers who have all said in the last 24 hours that this stuff isn't a big deal, except to the armchair psychiatric ward with too much time on their hands. Mmhmm... I choose not be naive and will call someone out whether he's a Padre or a Dodger. You choose to keep your head in the sand and can't be real. It's not a saintly or subjective opinion. It's a fact that's in front of your face that happened. If it happens more than once than it's more than, "Oh, that stuff happens." I don't know what he said, or who it was directed at? Well, let's see. The incident between Mateo and Pham had occurred and two seconds after that he was clearly cussing at Mateo in a demonstrative way, and acting very upset because of an ALMOST collision. He pronunciated the swear words enough to where a 5 year old could make out what he was saying. This is all a useless discussion with you, because you can't be real and call it how it is. You'll always give them an out. This is just a a waste of time to discuss this with you.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2021 9:15:26 GMT -8
To quote Acee (not Tingler): "Kim messed up yesterday, perhaps because he couldn’t hear Pham. Wrigley was extremely loud. Kim also had a tough time with some balls in the series. He has played three infield positions well this season. But the rookie has started 11 of the past 12 and 19 of the past 21 games after starting 15 of the season’s first 35 games." Most people get that Pham didn't screw up. Maybe instead of trying to pass blame on Pham for everything that goes wrong on the team take an objective look & realize Pham's an asset who playing well & brings a fiery competitive nature to the field and that's a GOOD THING! PS. If some people weren't always making uninformed, baseless comments to nitpick 1 player there wouldn't be a need to defend him. I like a fiery guy as well, just not someone who gets pissed at his teammates in a demonstrative way, and more than once. I'm not saying Kim was wrong on the PLAY, it's just what's happened afterward and before this latest incident. It's not just one time. You rarely see a player on the field get pissed at his OWN player and Pham has done that, so myself and others were wondering if he had a history of being a hot head. That's it.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2021 9:40:18 GMT -8
After doing some research on Pham concerning this. I didn't find any articles and quotes saying that he has anger issues, so that's a good thing.
I know he's going through issues that may have something to do with this behavior lately, but it still doesn't excuse it. I hope he can get through it quickly for himself, and the team.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2021 10:07:11 GMT -8
After doing some research on Pham concerning this. I didn't find any articles and quotes saying that he has anger issues, so that's a good thing. I know he's going through issues that may have something to do with this behavior lately, but it still doesn't excuse it. I hope he can get through it quickly for himself, and the team. Good grief. Just stop. Your faux melodrama and moral righteousness is gross. Thanks for doing "research" though....Did your research happen to point you to Tommy's life story growing up without a father? Or being stabbed as a kid by his stepfather? You're just incredibly stuck in your own methods and refuse to examine things from an unbiased point of view. This is a total non-issue to anyone in the know who has eyes and ears in the clubhouse. Take a hint from that and move on. First it was Pham's performance (where your argument lacked context) and now you're just trying to psychoanalyze a player based on what you think you saw on television. Spoiler alert : Players get frustrated ALL. THE. TIME. None of the players in the clubhouse will care about any of this going forward. It's just silly to create an issue based on a nothingburger. Not. Necessary.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2021 10:21:32 GMT -8
After doing some research on Pham concerning this. I didn't find any articles and quotes saying that he has anger issues, so that's a good thing. I know he's going through issues that may have something to do with this behavior lately, but it still doesn't excuse it. I hope he can get through it quickly for himself, and the team. Good grief. Just stop. Your faux melodrama and moral righteousness is gross. Thanks for doing "research" though....Did your research happen to point you to Tommy's life story growing up without a father? You're just incredibly stuck in your own methods and refuse to examine things from an unbiased point of view. This is a total non-issue to anyone in the know who has eyes and ears in the clubhouse. Take a hint from that and move on. First it was Pham's performance (where your argument lacked context) and now you're just trying to psychoanalyze a player based on what you think you saw on television. Spoiler alert : Players get frustrated ALL. THE. TIME. None of the players in the clubhouse will care about any of this going forward. It's just silly to create an issue based on a nothingburger. Not. Necessary. Lol. Man, you sure do NOT like to hold people accountable. Sheesh. Head in sand much? What happened to him in the past, etc.... gives him a zero excuse reason to berate a player for all to see. Many others have gone through major issues, no fathers around, etc, and haven't berated a teammate more than once for all to see. It's absolutely necessary to bring that situation up, since it's not a good thing at all to see, especially more than once. I'm sure it won't hurt the team any, but that has to stop. GET REAL and JUST STOP giving him excuses for his bad behavior.
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 3, 2021 10:44:28 GMT -8
Good grief. Just stop. Your faux melodrama and moral righteousness is gross. Thanks for doing "research" though....Did your research happen to point you to Tommy's life story growing up without a father? You're just incredibly stuck in your own methods and refuse to examine things from an unbiased point of view. This is a total non-issue to anyone in the know who has eyes and ears in the clubhouse. Take a hint from that and move on. First it was Pham's performance (where your argument lacked context) and now you're just trying to psychoanalyze a player based on what you think you saw on television. Spoiler alert : Players get frustrated ALL. THE. TIME. None of the players in the clubhouse will care about any of this going forward. It's just silly to create an issue based on a nothingburger. Not. Necessary. Lol. Man, you sure do NOT like to hold people accountable. Sheesh. Head in sand much? What happened to him in the past, etc.... g ives him a zero excuse reason to berate a player for all to see. Many others have gone through major issues, no fathers around, etc, and haven't berated a teammate more than once for all to see. It's absolutely necessary to bring that situation up, since it's not a good thing at all to see, especially more than once. I'm sure it won't hurt the team any, but that has to stop. GET REAL and JUST STOP giving him excuses for his bad behavior. You apparently don't watch much sports. This happens all the time, especially when the player upset is 100% correct. Kim screwed up, Pham got pissed. It's over. I'm sure they're over it but apparently some of our fans need to hold onto it for ever. Just FYI, complaining about something you know nothing about does mean you're "holding people accountable". It just means you're finding new things to bitch and whine about, nothing more.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2021 10:54:55 GMT -8
Lol. Man, you sure do NOT like to hold people accountable. Sheesh. Head in sand much? What happened to him in the past, etc.... g ives him a zero excuse reason to berate a player for all to see. Many others have gone through major issues, no fathers around, etc, and haven't berated a teammate more than once for all to see. So, just because it happens all the time makes it ok? Sheesh. It's absolutely necessary to bring that situation up, since it's not a good thing at all to see, especially more than once. I'm sure it won't hurt the team any, but that has to stop. GET REAL and JUST STOP giving him excuses for his bad behavior. You apparently don't watch much sports. This happens all the time, especially when the player upset is 100% correct. Kim screwed up, Pham got pissed. It's over. I'm sure they're over it but apparently some of our fans need to hold onto it for ever. Just FYI, complaining about something you know nothing about does mean you're "holding people accountable". It just means you're finding new things to bitch and whine about, nothing more. So, just because it happens sometimes it makes it OK? Sheesh. Definitely holding him, and anyone else accountable who berates another teammate. You and Ryan brush it under the rug, and myself and others don't. Your choice. You should NEVER berate a teammate for all to see, and WHENEVER it happens it's a VERY bad look. Period.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2021 11:29:49 GMT -8
You apparently don't watch much sports. This happens all the time, especially when the player upset is 100% correct. Kim screwed up, Pham got pissed. It's over. I'm sure they're over it but apparently some of our fans need to hold onto it for ever. Just FYI, complaining about something you know nothing about does mean you're "holding people accountable". It just means you're finding new things to bitch and whine about, nothing more. So, just because it happens sometimes it makes it OK? Sheesh. Definitely holding him, and anyone else accountable who berates another teammate. You and Ryan brush it under the rug, and myself and others don't. Your choice. You should NEVER berate a teammate for all to see, and WHENEVER it happens it's a VERY bad look. Period. The difference between "us" and you is we don't need to be the moral authority to make ourselves feel better about our moral compass. It's not MY place to "hold him accountable" because I wasn't there, I don't know the circumstances of WHY. "Berates a teammate" - Lol. "Mutters under his breath." - Lol. You're just clutching at straws, when in reality, you have zero clue or inside knowledge of anything here. In a perfect world, all players would be complete angels, never swear and never get into heated arguments with teammates in the dugout. This is not a utopia, unfortunately. Much ado about nothing. Turn off the savior complex.
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 3, 2021 11:51:21 GMT -8
You apparently don't watch much sports. This happens all the time, especially when the player upset is 100% correct. Kim screwed up, Pham got pissed. It's over. I'm sure they're over it but apparently some of our fans need to hold onto it for ever. Just FYI, complaining about something you know nothing about does mean you're "holding people accountable". It just means you're finding new things to bitch and whine about, nothing more. So, just because it happens sometimes it makes it OK? Sheesh. Definitely holding him, and anyone else accountable who berates another teammate. You and Ryan brush it under the rug, and myself and others don't. Your choice. You should NEVER berate a teammate for all to see, and WHENEVER it happens it's a VERY bad look. Period. It's a "very bad look" according to who? You? Way to pronounce yourself the morality police when all your doing is transferring your perceptions into a situation you know absolutely nothing about. If Manny, Tingler, Hosmer, etc. say it's an issue, and only then will it have any merit. Not you.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2021 12:46:37 GMT -8
So, just because it happens sometimes it makes it OK? Sheesh. Definitely holding him, and anyone else accountable who berates another teammate. You and Ryan brush it under the rug, and myself and others don't. Your choice. You should NEVER berate a teammate for all to see, and WHENEVER it happens it's a VERY bad look. Period. The difference between "us" and you is we don't need to be the moral authority to make ourselves feel better about our moral compass. It's not MY place to "hold him accountable" because I wasn't there, I don't know the circumstances of WHY. "Berates a teammate" - Lol. "Mutters under his breath." - Lol. You're just clutching at straws, when in reality, you have zero clue or inside knowledge of anything here. In a perfect world, all players would be complete angels, never swear and never get into heated arguments with teammates in the dugout. This is not a utopia, unfortunately. Much ado about nothing. Turn off the savior complex. Your theme, which many have pointed out to you, is that you'll never hold any team members of the Padres accountable. You simply can't see an obvious problem such as Pham cussing out a teammate more than once,etc.... Maybe you haven't played any organized sports, but that's a big time no no, whomever does it. There's a lot I let go, but when it comes to coming down on your teammates on the field, heck yes I'm going to bring it up. You're too far gone, and that tells me this is wasted time, actually I've known this, so bad on me. Be careful because the sand can get pretty deep. Moving on.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2021 12:49:41 GMT -8
So, just because it happens sometimes it makes it OK? Sheesh. Definitely holding him, and anyone else accountable who berates another teammate. You and Ryan brush it under the rug, and myself and others don't. Your choice. You should NEVER berate a teammate for all to see, and WHENEVER it happens it's a VERY bad look. Period. It's a "very bad look" according to who? You? Way to pronounce yourself the morality police when all your doing is transferring your perceptions into a situation you know absolutely nothing about. If Manny, Tingler, Hosmer, etc. say it's an issue, and only then will it have any merit. Not you. According to ANYBODY who saw the the incidents. It was right in front of your face. You think it's ok to cuss out a teammate, and I don't. That's on you. Again, don't be naive. Do you really think Manny, et al, are going to come out in the middle of the season and say that wasn't cool what Pham did? Have you played organized sports before? Do you not know that it's a very bad thing to come down on your own teammates in ANY sport, especially on the field? If you haven't, then we can just chalk it up as a lack of experience/knowledge for you and that's ok. If you have played, then GET REAL. Moving on. This is wasted energy.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2021 13:12:22 GMT -8
The difference between "us" and you is we don't need to be the moral authority to make ourselves feel better about our moral compass. It's not MY place to "hold him accountable" because I wasn't there, I don't know the circumstances of WHY. "Berates a teammate" - Lol. "Mutters under his breath." - Lol. You're just clutching at straws, when in reality, you have zero clue or inside knowledge of anything here. In a perfect world, all players would be complete angels, never swear and never get into heated arguments with teammates in the dugout. This is not a utopia, unfortunately. Much ado about nothing. Turn off the savior complex. Your theme, which many have pointed out to you, is that you'll never hold any team members of the Padres accountable. You simply can't see an obvious problem such as Pham cussing out a teammate more than once,etc.... Maybe you haven't played any organized sports, but that's a big time no no, whomever does it. There's a lot I let go, but when it comes to coming down on your teammates on the field, heck yes I'm going to bring it up. You're too far gone, and that tells me this is wasted time, actually I've known this, so bad on me. Be careful because the sand can get pretty deep. Moving on. You are obsessive with this, for some really strange reason. It's not my job as a fan to hold anyone accountable for anything. It's not yours, either. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Yes, I have played competitive sports, all over the country, for a very long time. I clashed with teammates. It happens. In the heat of the moment, things happen. You squash it and move on, like men. You don't obsess and harp on things over and over and over again, especially when you have no idea what you're talking about. You really need to take a step back and reevaluate, because this is borderline scary how you feel the need to insert yourself into situations where it isn't required. There's a difference between "accountability" and whatever this is that you are trying to convey. You aren't the gatekeeper of morality. "Getting into it on the field" didn't happen. It was a brief dugout incident and then it was over. Acting like Pham murdered someone in the outfield in broad daylight is melodramatic and false.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2021 13:15:41 GMT -8
It's a "very bad look" according to who? You? Way to pronounce yourself the morality police when all your doing is transferring your perceptions into a situation you know absolutely nothing about. If Manny, Tingler, Hosmer, etc. say it's an issue, and only then will it have any merit. Not you. According to ANYBODY who saw the the incidents. It was right in front of your face. You think it's ok to cuss out a teammate, and I don't. That's on you. Again, don't be naive. Do you really think Manny, et al, are going to come out in the middle of the season and say that wasn't cool what Pham did? Have you played organized sports before? Do you not know that it's a very bad thing to come down on your own teammates in ANY sport, especially on the field? If you haven't, then we can just chalk it up as a lack of experience/knowledge for you and that's ok. If you have played, then GET REAL. Moving on. This is wasted energy. If his own teammates who were actually present in the clubhouse won't speak out....why would you? Kinda makes you wonder. Or at least it should. You have a lot to learn, instead of chastising other people who don't share your warped perspective, you should examine why you feel the need to obsess over things you have no control over.
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 3, 2021 13:19:32 GMT -8
It's a "very bad look" according to who? You? Way to pronounce yourself the morality police when all your doing is transferring your perceptions into a situation you know absolutely nothing about. If Manny, Tingler, Hosmer, etc. say it's an issue, and only then will it have any merit. Not you. According to ANYBODY who saw the the incidents. It was right in front of your face. You think it's ok to cuss out a teammate, and I don't. That's on you. Again, don't be naive. Do you really think Manny, et al, are going to come out in the middle of the season and say that wasn't cool what Pham did? Have you played organized sports before? Do you not know that it's a very bad thing to come down on your own teammates in ANY sport, especially on the field? If you haven't, then we can just chalk it up as a lack of experience/knowledge for you and that's ok. If you have played, then GET REAL. Moving on. This is wasted energy. LOL. Again, that's YOUR PERCEPTION! Not sure why you can't comprehend that? Most sports fans actually realize players get angry & can have heated exchanges, unless of course they've deemed themselves the morality police &/or the righteous ones. What I saw "in front of (my) face" was one player getting momentarily upset, and rightfully so. I see a passionate player who realizes his value to the team, and how a teammates mistake may cost the team if he has to miss any time! Since I haven't seen any issues arise as a result I, unlike you, don't see any reason to condemn Pham (or Kim) for their actions. Yes, I've played MANY organized sports and YES, I've seen stuff like this at least 200+ times over my lifetime, and probably more so. As the team captain of my HS basketball team I know I'd occasionally get on guys who blew assignments/switches, as was my role. You're on the court, or in this instance field, and you don't channel your anger for 2 hours later. It happens IN THE MOMENT. What I can "chalk it up to" is a lack of experience/knowledge for YOU, and that's OK. Again, not all of us believe we're the morality police, nor do we believe we're underground psychiatrists like you apparently do. Yes, moving on. Now if only you & a few others can MOVE ON from constantly nitpicking every action Pham takes & actually come to realize he's a valuable asset who's among our best hitters over the past 4-5+ weeks that would be AWESOME. Would love to not have to see those types of posts every other day!
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 3, 2021 13:20:58 GMT -8
Your theme, which many have pointed out to you, is that you'll never hold any team members of the Padres accountable. You simply can't see an obvious problem such as Pham cussing out a teammate more than once,etc.... Maybe you haven't played any organized sports, but that's a big time no no, whomever does it. There's a lot I let go, but when it comes to coming down on your teammates on the field, heck yes I'm going to bring it up. You're too far gone, and that tells me this is wasted time, actually I've known this, so bad on me. Be careful because the sand can get pretty deep. Moving on. You are obsessive with this, for some really strange reason. It's not my job as a fan to hold anyone accountable for anything. It's not yours, either. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Yes, I have played competitive sports, all over the country, for a very long time. I clashed with teammates. It happens. In the heat of the moment, things happen. You squash it and move on, like men. You don't obsess and harp on things over and over and over again, especially when you have no idea what you're talking about. You really need to take a step back and reevaluate, because this is borderline scary how you feel the need to insert yourself into situations where it isn't required. There's a difference between "accountability" and whatever this is that you are trying to convey. You aren't the gatekeeper of morality. "Getting into it on the field" didn't happen. It was a brief dugout incident and then it was over. Acting like Pham murdered someone in the outfield in broad daylight is melodramatic and false. Well said, and you're a LOT nicer than me.
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