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Post by sdcoug on May 10, 2021 14:05:27 GMT -8
That's my feeling as well. Dutch typically doesn't like to have too many players, with 12 "active" being his max since he's been here. Right now we have 14, minus 2 who most likely will RS. My gut tells me we knew Mitchell was leaning elsewhere, OR Diabate's offer was conditional on Mitchell saying "no". I think its either/or between those two. I do agree that if you are going to offer someone a project, like a D Johnson, or a forced RS like Brown would make sense. Even then, 15 on scholarship is a) expensive, and b) a lot to work with daily in practice. Coaches are spread thin as it is. I guess you could lose most of the WO's. Some really good, well thought out points. Makes sense. The counter point is ... I trust Dutcher. If he lands Mitchell, I trust that he believes he will make the team even better than it is now. I agree with that. If there are concerns about players transferring out due to lack of playing time, then they are not good enough to beat out better players. I can live with that and, again... I trust Coach Dutcher. No doubt! 100%! Dutch & crew have been masters at developing rosters so definitely wouldn't second guess him. But as of now we haven't got a commitment from Mitchell so it's all just theory, so as a result we're not second guessing him. : ) I just don't think the coaches want 15 scholarship players, and I don't think they want (or need) both Diabate & Mitchell. But time will tell. Interestingly, and again FAR from gospel or fact, but its interesting to look at Barttorvik's projections on this. He still hasn't added Baker, so you can't run combinations including both Baker & Mitchell, or Baker, Diabate & Mitchell (at least I can't get it to work). But if you exclude Baker he currently ranks us 33rd; if we add Baker but not Mitchell we're #30; if we add Mitchell but not Baker, it's the same #30. BUT if you exclude Baker, since he doesn't appear & instead tradeoff Diabate & Mitchell he actually has us higher (33rd) with Diabate than with Mitchell (we drop to 34th). What we'd lose offensively doesn't offset any gain defensively, which I found interesting. Obviously having Baker, Diabate AND Mitchell would put us into the top 30. Anyway, just found it interesting that his model sees what Diabate brings as more beneficial than what Mitchell brings, which surprised me a little. Again, realize its far from "science" but still interesting to me. I'm assuming we'll know soon enough. I still see him as a fit with MN given he's from that area. They added Parker Fox, but they're still pretty thin up front.
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Post by dunksalot on May 10, 2021 15:00:17 GMT -8
I really don't lend much to analytics because this is an ACC player putting up stats vs Duke, UNC, etc. compared to Diabate after a year off and playing Portland opponents.
I re-watched Mitchell's highlights. Very awkward set shot (no jumper) but effective enough and he seems to find the rim underneath. He is very strong and crafty around the rim but not comfortable like a JJ O'Brien (the difference between 16 ppg and 9 ppg.) He would elevate our size and toughness.
Mitchell would take minutes from Diabate, Tomaic, Arop, and Keshad. Originally I had him confused with someone else and taking mins from SG/SF.
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Post by standiego on May 10, 2021 15:33:08 GMT -8
Utah had 2 players enter the Transfer Portal last week so they have additional scholarships - on their current roster they only have 3 players over 6'5" so there is going to be PT upfront
Minnesota has had 7 players that have been in the portal and gone to other schools - plus have 2 more players still deciding on what school they will go to . They have signed transfers but have not been able to add an experienced player from a P6 school . Also Steffon is from Minnesota so he is getting numerous people asking him to come back home to finish his career - they also have PT available for him .
Do think Coug has a good idea if we could get Jordan Brown to come and be ready for the 2022-23 season .
We have 2 solid starters in Trey and Matt B. Nathan back again at the 5 unless TD or Josh can beat him out .
So need 2 more starters
Coaches must feel they have good talent plus guys that know the system on both ends of the court with Che, Keshad , KD , Adam , Lamont , plus Baker- who will learn the system , to take care of two deep at the 1-3 positions At the 4 could be Keshad , Baker , AG , or maybe Josh - variety of options depending who makes the most progress and what guys form the best group of 5 but as we have seen Dutcher can .
If they do add Mitchell see him best as a 4
As many have said even Dutcher - want a group that gets along knowing they will get the PT they Earn - maybe can manage that with 11 or 12 ? But keeping the guys all working together can get sticky if you have too many .
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Post by wolfstartec on May 11, 2021 18:10:59 GMT -8
When is he going to make the commitment decision?
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Post by aztecdan8 on May 12, 2021 7:35:12 GMT -8
When is he going to make the commitment decision? I know, right? I keep checking a few times a day to see what he has decided 😆 I’m still really hoping we land him. He would be a great get, would add even more talent, athleticism, length and big time experience for next season. If we want to compete even more on a National level, and want to be even better than we are today, Mitchell does that. I’ll worry about playing time to go around and repercussions later- no actually, I won’t worry about that at all. The coaching staff would handle it just fine.
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Post by standiego on May 12, 2021 10:50:41 GMT -8
think he has also applied for the NBA draft - wants to get information from the Combine
Some articles have said that he is strong near the basket but if he comes back to play in college he needs to work on his outside shooting . Thoughts are that Minnesota and Utah could use him at the 3 and need more help then the Aztecs do -where the Aztecs would more then likely want him to play the 4 .
Thought he may have said mid to end of May for his decision but could be later .
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Post by longtimebooster on May 12, 2021 11:02:49 GMT -8
think he has also applied for the NBA draft - wants to get information from the Combine Some articles have said that he is strong near the basket but if he comes back to play in college he needs to work on his outside shooting . Thoughts are that Minnesota and Utah could use him at the 3 and need more help then the Aztecs do -where the Aztecs would more then likely want him to play the 4 . Thought he may have said mid to end of May for his decision but could be later . If that's the case, we could be waiting for a while, unless he doesn't get invited to the NBA Combine. Not sure if/when invitations go out or how the process works. Some dates: NBA Combine: June 21-27, Chicago NBA Lottery: June 21 NBA Draft: July 29 NBA Entry/Withdrawal Deadlines: Entry: May 30; Withdrawal: July 19
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Post by Gundo on May 16, 2021 13:03:22 GMT -8
All roads look like Utah may be the spot, MN second, SDSU
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Post by azteccc on May 16, 2021 13:09:45 GMT -8
All roads look like Utah may be the spot, MN second, SDSU Probably for the best for all parties involved
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on May 16, 2021 15:41:26 GMT -8
Meh!
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Post by NYCaztec on May 16, 2021 15:56:24 GMT -8
Though we are all set, Utah will be getting a beast.
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Post by aztecking on May 16, 2021 18:34:09 GMT -8
All roads look like Utah may be the spot, MN second, SDSU Says who? I haven’t seen a single article or tweet that would imply that.
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Post by ignoranus on May 17, 2021 5:58:11 GMT -8
The Aztecs are still offering Mitchell the best opportunity to continue playing into late March and April.
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Post by jdaztec on May 17, 2021 6:52:33 GMT -8
I sometimes wonder if The Aztec TEAM system dissuades players who see themselves in The NBA since they wouldn't be seen as a dominant player like they might on other teams ? Yet Malachi and before him Kawhi have shown that you can display your talenst within the system and The NBA will easily find you.
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Post by azteccc on May 17, 2021 8:23:05 GMT -8
I sometimes wonder if The Aztec TEAM system dissuades players who see themselves in The NBA since they wouldn't be seen as a dominant player like they might on other teams ? Yet Malachi and before him Kawhi have shown that you can display your talenst within the system and The NBA will easily find you. We’re in a comparatively weird spot, for sure. We’re too good for one player to come in highly heralded and immediately take over extremely high usage, but not good enough that supporting pieces get draft hype. IMO it’s less the system than our position as one of the top 5 (or so) mid-majors. The only team outside of the P5 regularly getting multiple guys drafted - or even consistent yearly picks - is Gonzaga.
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Post by sdcoug on May 17, 2021 8:57:31 GMT -8
I sometimes wonder if The Aztec TEAM system dissuades players who see themselves in The NBA since they wouldn't be seen as a dominant player like they might on other teams ? Yet Malachi and before him Kawhi have shown that you can display your talenst within the system and The NBA will easily find you. We’re in a comparatively weird spot, for sure. We’re too good for one player to come in highly heralded and immediately take over extremely high usage, but not good enough that supporting pieces get draft hype. IMO it’s less the system than our position as one of the top 5 (or so) mid-majors. The only team outside of the P5 regularly getting multiple guys drafted - or even consistent yearly picks - is Gonzaga. Matt Bradley is EXTREMELY "highly heralded" and he will come in and will "immediately take over extremely high usage". Flynn was the same. Had Allen joined Bradley here we would have had 2 players the NBA would be watching daily...plus others in the wings. I personally think we're done. I think the door for Mitchell closed with Baker, but hope I'm wrong. But the thing with Mitchell is he's an extremely low usage player - he's the 5th option offensively when on the floor. He played the Adam Seiko role with BC, so usage rate may not be a factor with him. The NBA will definitely find anyone, anywhere, which is why we're seeing more players like Baldwin playing for their dads or Maker going to Howard. The NBA is also less likely to be driven by college stats, and more by skillset. Our style of play, if anything, helps players get looks from the NBA because our style of play mirrors the NBA with high PnR usage, and players given freedom within framework, which is exactly what the NBA does.
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Post by Boise Aztec on May 17, 2021 17:53:27 GMT -8
We’re in a comparatively weird spot, for sure. We’re too good for one player to come in highly heralded and immediately take over extremely high usage, but not good enough that supporting pieces get draft hype. IMO it’s less the system than our position as one of the top 5 (or so) mid-majors. The only team outside of the P5 regularly getting multiple guys drafted - or even consistent yearly picks - is Gonzaga. Matt Bradley is EXTREMELY "highly heralded" and he will come in and will "immediately take over extremely high usage". Flynn was the same. Had Allen joined Bradley here we would have had 2 players the NBA would be watching daily...plus others in the wings. I personally think we're done. I think the door for Mitchell closed with Baker, but hope I'm wrong. But the thing with Mitchell is he's an extremely low usage player - he's the 5th option offensively when on the floor. He played the Adam Seiko role with BC, so usage rate may not be a factor with him. The NBA will definitely find anyone, anywhere, which is why we're seeing more players like Baldwin playing for their dads or Maker going to Howard. The NBA is also less likely to be driven by college stats, and more by skillset. Our style of play, if anything, helps players get looks from the NBA because our style of play mirrors the NBA with high PnR usage, and players given freedom within framework, which is exactly what the NBA does. Based on what I heard over the weekend we are in fact done.
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Post by jdaztec on May 17, 2021 19:11:27 GMT -8
If so we still have a quality enough roster to go a long way next season
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Post by aztecfred on May 28, 2021 6:33:18 GMT -8
What happened to Steffon Mitchell?
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Post by sdcoug on May 28, 2021 10:24:43 GMT -8
What happened to Steffon Mitchell? Nothing. Still deciding, but don't think we're interested.
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