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Post by ignoranus on May 8, 2021 10:38:03 GMT -8
MN & UT are leaking players like a seive. Both can offer minutes on teams not likely to go anywhere next season.
The Aztecs already look like a MM selection and will further solidify that opportunity with Mitchell. At SDSU he will get a lot of minutes and national exposure playing for a ranked team. And for a one year player the opportunity to play in The Big Dance is only coming around once in this lifetime. Grab it: Steffon. Show 'em who you are in MM.
And if you want to play for a coach from MN, Dutcher is the best choice.
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Post by Cwag on May 8, 2021 11:21:55 GMT -8
MN & UT are leaking players like a seive. Both can offer minutes on teams not likely to go anywhere next season. The Aztecs already look like a MM selection and will further solidify that opportunity with Mitchell. At SDSU he will get a lot of minutes and national exposure playing for a ranked team. And for a one year player the opportunity to play in The Big Dance is only coming around once in this lifetime. Grab it: Steffon. Show 'em who you are in MM. And if you want to play for a coach from MN, Dutcher is the best choice. It would be the cherry on top of the transfer season. But either way we still have a very tasty Sundae.
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Post by ignoranus on May 8, 2021 11:49:14 GMT -8
Steffon Mitchell would add some large nuts to the sundae.
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Post by Boise Aztec on May 8, 2021 13:09:42 GMT -8
If Mitchell comes to State there will be at least one if not two folks enter the transfer portal.
I know that there are two folks that are considering it now.
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Post by KDub on May 8, 2021 13:14:37 GMT -8
If Mitchell comes to State there will be at least one if not two folks enter the transfer portal. I know that there are two folks that are considering it now. Unfortunate, but completely understandable.
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Post by Den60 on May 8, 2021 13:14:48 GMT -8
Yep, I think Baker was the final piece of the puzzle. Except, the coaches are trying hard to get Mitchell. I still like to be strong inside. I like to control the boards and ensure that teams need to protect the key. Oh, I still love seeing great defense. Defense shows up when effort shows up. The same cannot be said of offense. You can always have an off night when it comes to the latter.
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Post by docmm on May 8, 2021 15:15:44 GMT -8
If Mitchell comes to State there will be at least one if not two folks enter the transfer portal. I know that there are two folks that are considering it now. Just speculating but Evans could be worried about PT. With every new transfer addition, his possible PT goes down. Could also see Tomaic changing his mind with the new big coming in. Hope none of the guards leave but KD or Seiko may be lured away in the right situation for them. TP, Butler andBradley are going to get a lot of guard minutes. Don't think it will happen but I'd hate to lose Butler because TP came back.
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Post by dunksalot on May 9, 2021 7:12:40 GMT -8
If Mitchell comes to State there will be at least one if not two folks enter the transfer portal. I know that there are two folks that are considering it now. Just speculating but Evans could be worried about PT. With every new transfer addition, his possible PT goes down. Could also see Tomaic changing his mind with the new big coming in. Hope none of the guards leave but KD or Seiko may be lured away in the right situation for them. TP, Butler andBradley are going to get a lot of guard minutes. Don't think it will happen but I'd hate to lose Butler because TP came back. When you do off-season workouts with the likes of Rudy Gay as Che does/did then you develop a rationale for minutes. I have been very optimistic about Che - disappointed he didn't see more floor time. He has the highest ceiling of anyone on our roster in my opinion. Mitchell is not worth losing Che, but if Che is that good he should be pushing for minutes anyways.
SF/wing glut - Evans, Baker, Ledee (possible redshirt) with some overlap from Bradley, Keshad, and Arop.
Sign Steffon Mitchell and Evans is looking at 2020 level minutes unless he leaps ahead of them. Looking ahead, next season he sees Mitchell graduate but Ledee is active.
Tough decision. Boils down to "How good do you think you can be?"
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Post by longtimesdsufan on May 9, 2021 15:01:07 GMT -8
The Aztecs had 4 bigs 2 years ago and it could be the same this year. Johnson and Evens are not "bigs', they are small forwards. Mitchel will not take time from either of them.
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Post by azteccc on May 9, 2021 15:20:48 GMT -8
I have been very optimistic about Che - disappointed he didn't see more floor time. He has the highest ceiling of anyone on our roster in my opinion. Mitchell is not worth losing Che, but if Che is that good he should be pushing for minutes anyways. SF/wing glut - Evans, Baker, Ledee (possible redshirt) with some overlap from Bradley, Keshad, and Arop.
Sign Steffon Mitchell and Evans is looking at 2020 level minutes unless he leaps ahead of them. Looking ahead, next season he sees Mitchell graduate but Ledee is active.
I agree with this to a large extent. Losing Che or Keith to get Mitchell is not worth it imo. Maybe it is to the coaches and maybe they just want as much talent as possible to let things shake out as they may... but man, I'd be very disappointed if we lost a young guy with promise for a one-year rental that we don't absolutely need. I wonder if it might be Keshad worried about PT with the wings coming in. I'm also curious about the conversations Dutch had with Trey and Josh re: playing time, especially Josh.
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Post by sdsuball on May 9, 2021 15:21:25 GMT -8
If Mitchell comes to State there will be at least one if not two folks enter the transfer portal. I know that there are two folks that are considering it now. Just speculating but Evans could be worried about PT. With every new transfer addition, his possible PT goes down. Could also see Tomaic changing his mind with the new big coming in. Hope none of the guards leave but KD or Seiko may be lured away in the right situation for them. TP, Butler andBradley are going to get a lot of guard minutes. Don't think it will happen but I'd hate to lose Butler because TP came back. I think that Butler is a lock for 10-15 minutes a game at PG behind Pulliam, and after that it (should) be Butler's show to run. KD and Seiko are fighting for 10-15 minutes a game at the sg position behind Bradley, unless we put three guards on the floor at a time. We certainly did that a lot last year, but signing more forwards does not bode well for the possibility of playing three guard lineups. It very well could be that we only play three guard lineups for 10-15 minutes a game, (decent with Bradley and Pulliam on the floor, since they are guards with size) meaning that's Seiko and KD at 10-15 minutes per game each. But if that happens, and Baker we are assuming plays 25 minutes a game, well then Che Evans has no minutes. If we sign Mitchell.... yeah we won't be playing small lineups, because we already have Diabate and Johnson playing the 4, meaning that Mitchell and Baker will be at the 3 position, or some combination thereof. Either Seiko, KD, or Evans are going to lose out on minutes, or they are each only getting 10 minutes a game - as things stand today without Mitchell. Unless Diabate is going to play the 5 for us next year, and we will have three centers? And all of this is assuming that Arop is done - not a given. The other thing is, if we get Mitchell, I think you almost want to put KD on the floor more because you want a SG on the floor who can light it up from 3 to balance out all of the rebounding forwards on the roster. I know that Seiko can make open 3's, but KD can make 3's with a hand in his face, and that's relevant when everyone else on the floor has size - it makes you really want a legit shooter at the sg position more then a glue guy. KD can be your go to guy when the shot clock is low, and its important to have that type of player on the floor. Insane amount of depth for next year.
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Post by azteccc on May 9, 2021 15:29:02 GMT -8
Just speculating but Evans could be worried about PT. With every new transfer addition, his possible PT goes down. Could also see Tomaic changing his mind with the new big coming in. Hope none of the guards leave but KD or Seiko may be lured away in the right situation for them. TP, Butler andBradley are going to get a lot of guard minutes. Don't think it will happen but I'd hate to lose Butler because TP came back. I think that Butler is a lock for 10-15 minutes a game at PG behind Pulliam, and after that it (should) be Butler's show to run. KD and Seiko are fighting for 10-15 minutes a game at the sg position behind Bradley, unless we put three guards on the floor at a time. We certainly did that a lot last year, but signing more forwards does not bode well for the possibility of playing three guard lineups. It very well could be that we only play three guard lineups for 10-15 minutes a game, (decent with Bradley and Pulliam on the floor, since they are guards with size) meaning that's Seiko and KD at 10-15 minutes per game each. But if that happens, and Baker we are assuming plays 25 minutes a game, well then Che Evans has no minutes. If we sign Mitchell.... yeah we won't be playing small lineups, because we already have Diabate and Johnson playing the 4, meaning that Mitchell and Baker will be at the 3 position, or some combination thereof. Either Seiko, KD, or Evans are going to lose out on minutes, or they are each only getting 10 minutes a game - as things stand today without Mitchell. Unless Diabate is going to play the 5 for us next year, and we will have three centers? And all of this is assuming that Arop is done - not a given. The other thing is, if we get Mitchell, I think you almost want to put KD on the floor more because you want a SG on the floor who can light it up from 3 to balance out all of the rebounding forwards on the roster. I know that Seiko can make open 3's, but KD can make 3's with a hand in his face, and that's relevant when everyone else on the floor has size - it makes you really want a legit shooter at the sg position more then a glue guy. KD can be your go to guy when the shot clock is low, and its important to have that type of player on the floor. Insane amount of depth for next year. Yep. And Lamont averaged 16 minutes per game over the last 16 games last year. I don't see how you can lower that amount of PT, and in fact I think it would be a travesty for him not to see more than that amount. And the log jam at 2/3/4 is a real issue. I think the only way it works as currently constituted is not getting Mitchell and Arop not playing regularly. If either come on board they're 15 (Arop) or 20+ (Mitchell) guys... How do all these guys play? They won't. And they're smart enough to see it.
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Post by jpaztec on May 9, 2021 19:15:03 GMT -8
I don't want to lose Che Evans' 3 year potential contribution for a 1 year guy that will need time to adjust to a new staff and scheme. Gotta play the long game here, IMO, unless Che has shown little to no improvement which is hard to imagine.
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Post by jp92grad on May 9, 2021 19:53:58 GMT -8
This is where the team needs to bring in someone like a Jordan Brown or other a project type player (not that Brown is a project) that may sit a year. They have the scholarship available, I say roll the dice and build the scout team/redshirt a player (HS or Portal). The player could come in and learn the system and plays with the guys.
This years team looks full enough unless they know someone is already thinking about moving on in the Portal that hasn't been posted yet.
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Post by dunksalot on May 9, 2021 20:57:49 GMT -8
This is where the team needs to bring in someone like a Jordan Brown or other a project type player (not that Brown is a project) that may sit a year. They have the scholarship available, I say roll the dice and build the scout team/redshirt a player (HS or Portal). The player could come in and learn the system and plays with the guys. This years team looks full enough unless they know someone is already thinking about moving on in the Portal that hasn't been posted yet. I tend to agree. We have two 5th year seniors (Pulliam/Tomaic) which takes minutes from the younger guys we normally would have available. We are guard-heavy but I feel like the balance is going to be OK for all those PG/SG minutes since Schakel/Gomez moved on. At SF we lost Mitchell but if we fill this slot with 3 players + Che it's simply too much.
If anything, having just Diabate, Tomaic and Mensah (with some Keshad) to fill PF/C front court is a bit light. Especially because injuries happen to bigs more often. I'd look to add a big if any exist...unless Cade Alger discovered cheeseburgers. Cade has footwork, some handles, he can shoot, and he is agile...but he's so razor thin he makes Polee look like Karl Malone.
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Post by aztecmusician on May 9, 2021 22:31:16 GMT -8
This guy would devour pretty much every big man in the MW.
Bring him in!
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Post by aztecron on May 10, 2021 7:45:54 GMT -8
I have been very optimistic about Che - disappointed he didn't see more floor time. He has the highest ceiling of anyone on our roster in my opinion. Mitchell is not worth losing Che, but if Che is that good he should be pushing for minutes anyways. SF/wing glut - Evans, Baker, Ledee (possible redshirt) with some overlap from Bradley, Keshad, and Arop.
Sign Steffon Mitchell and Evans is looking at 2020 level minutes unless he leaps ahead of them. Looking ahead, next season he sees Mitchell graduate but Ledee is active.
I agree with this to a large extent. Losing Che or Keith to get Mitchell is not worth it imo. Maybe it is to the coaches and maybe they just want as much talent as possible to let things shake out as they may... but man, I'd be very disappointed if we lost a young guy with promise for a one-year rental that we don't absolutely need. I wonder if it might be Keshad worried about PT with the wings coming in. I'm also curious about the conversations Dutch had with Trey and Josh re: playing time, especially Josh. I used to feel this way as well but have changed my tune to bring in talent from anywhere and everywhere and let the players compete. If someone is better than them and move on I'm okay with that. Players moving on due to competition from incoming talented players tells me all I need to know. Dutcher and staff know this team and all their players progress or lack of. I trust he knows what he's doing more so than the rest of us.
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Post by sdcoug on May 10, 2021 8:38:04 GMT -8
This is where the team needs to bring in someone like a Jordan Brown or other a project type player (not that Brown is a project) that may sit a year. They have the scholarship available, I say roll the dice and build the scout team/redshirt a player (HS or Portal). The player could come in and learn the system and plays with the guys. This years team looks full enough unless they know someone is already thinking about moving on in the Portal that hasn't been posted yet.That's my feeling as well. Dutch typically doesn't like to have too many players, with 12 "active" being his max since he's been here. Right now we have 14, minus 2 who most likely will RS. My gut tells me we knew Mitchell was leaning elsewhere, OR Diabate's offer was conditional on Mitchell saying "no". I think its either/or between those two. I do agree that if you are going to offer someone a project, like a D Johnson, or a forced RS like Brown would make sense. Even then, 15 on scholarship is a) expensive, and b) a lot to work with daily in practice. Coaches are spread thin as it is. I guess you could lose most of the WO's.
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Post by sdsuball on May 10, 2021 9:16:27 GMT -8
We could use a player who is coming back from injuries and will want to RS next year. Or a HS player who is the late bloomer type, still building into his frame, who can redshirt.
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Post by aztecdan8 on May 10, 2021 13:39:10 GMT -8
This is where the team needs to bring in someone like a Jordan Brown or other a project type player (not that Brown is a project) that may sit a year. They have the scholarship available, I say roll the dice and build the scout team/redshirt a player (HS or Portal). The player could come in and learn the system and plays with the guys. This years team looks full enough unless they know someone is already thinking about moving on in the Portal that hasn't been posted yet.That's my feeling as well. Dutch typically doesn't like to have too many players, with 12 "active" being his max since he's been here. Right now we have 14, minus 2 who most likely will RS. My gut tells me we knew Mitchell was leaning elsewhere, OR Diabate's offer was conditional on Mitchell saying "no". I think its either/or between those two. I do agree that if you are going to offer someone a project, like a D Johnson, or a forced RS like Brown would make sense. Even then, 15 on scholarship is a) expensive, and b) a lot to work with daily in practice. Coaches are spread thin as it is. I guess you could lose most of the WO's. Some really good, well thought out points. Makes sense. The counter point is ... I trust Dutcher. If he lands Mitchell, I trust that he believes he will make the team even better than it is now. I agree with that. If there are concerns about players transferring out due to lack of playing time, then they are not good enough to beat out better players. I can live with that and, again... I trust Coach Dutcher.
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