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Post by uwphoto on Apr 25, 2021 13:01:13 GMT -8
So, I'm driving up and down the 5 this weekend..and sign after sign says "man made drought" "no water, no food" attacks on Congress, recall Newsome etc. "more damns" etc. So an uninformed driver might start to feel sorry for these poor farmers? Hmmm, but I'm passing mile after mile of Almonds. ..millions of acres of the most water consuming crop you can grow. A closer look shows that the almond growers (just almonds) use 35 times the water used by the entire city of Sacramento! Also, 70% of the almonds grown in California are exported. So big agribusiness is making billions of dollars off crops like this, but want the average Joe to get sad for the poor mom n pop farmers!..and not a head of lettuce, straw berries, tomatoes in view.. we already use close to 1/3rd the water out of our rivers. I feel zero empathy for them..
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 26, 2021 11:20:49 GMT -8
Well, the farmers, large or small, are actually producing something of benefit to Americans. They are, after all, not selling dope to young kids.
AzWm
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Post by uwphoto on Apr 26, 2021 11:57:28 GMT -8
Well, the farmers, large or small, are actually producing something of benefit to Americans. They are, after all, not selling dope to young kids. AzWm Your weirdest response ever!! The issue is water usage, and greed. Ever wonder why salmon fisherman from Morro Bay, Monterey, San Francisco, Fort Brag, etc. lost their business and boats in the last 40 years? I didn't think so. "Selling dope to kids"...are you serious?? |
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Post by azteccc on Apr 26, 2021 12:51:14 GMT -8
Well, the farmers, large or small, are actually producing something of benefit to Americans. They are, after all, not selling dope to young kids. AzWm Your weirdest response ever!! The issue is water usage, and greed. Ever wonder why salmon fisherman from Morro Bay, Monterey, San Francisco, Fort Brag, etc. lost their business and boats in the last 40 years? I didn't think so. "Selling dope to kids"...are you serious?? I heard once that he likes to be called a libertarian |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 26, 2021 14:07:05 GMT -8
Well, the farmers, large or small, are actually producing something of benefit to Americans. They are, after all, not selling dope to young kids. AzWm Your weirdest response ever!! The issue is water usage, and greed. Ever wonder why salmon fisherman from Morro Bay, Monterey, San Francisco, Fort Brag, etc. lost their business and boats in the last 40 years? I didn't think so. "Selling dope to kids"...are you serious?? Actually, you have made some very good points with which I agree. When people talk about how terrible it is to worry about little fish, I always think of the plight of the fishermen you mention. Still, this is a complicated issue. There are many completing interests. Whatever policies are put in place, they will probably have negative effects on somebody. By the way, I do not think agri-business is a dirty word. Is there a problem with exporting goods? I think just about every country does that. AzWm |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 26, 2021 14:10:28 GMT -8
Your weirdest response ever!! The issue is water usage, and greed. Ever wonder why salmon fisherman from Morro Bay, Monterey, San Francisco, Fort Brag, etc. lost their business and boats in the last 40 years? I didn't think so. "Selling dope to kids"...are you serious?? I heard once that he likes to be called a libertarian Still do. As I hinted at in a previous post, these issues are complicated and impact many people with competing interests. AzWm |
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Post by sdsu2000 on May 18, 2021 15:42:33 GMT -8
So, I'm driving up and down the 5 this weekend..and sign after sign says "man made drought" "no water, no food" attacks on Congress, recall Newsome etc. "more damns" etc. So an uninformed driver might start to feel sorry for these poor farmers? Hmmm, but I'm passing mile after mile of Almonds. ..millions of acres of the most water consuming crop you can grow. A closer look shows that the almond growers (just almonds) use 35 times the water used by the entire city of Sacramento! Also, 70% of the almonds grown in California are exported. So big agribusiness is making billions of dollars off crops like this, but want the average Joe to get sad for the poor mom n pop farmers!..and not a head of lettuce, straw berries, tomatoes in view.. we already use close to 1/3rd the water out of our rivers. I feel zero empathy for them.. So you want California to stop growing almonds? You know we produce 80% of the almonds grown in the world. |
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Post by uwphoto on May 18, 2021 16:27:16 GMT -8
So, I'm driving up and down the 5 this weekend..and sign after sign says "man made drought" "no water, no food" attacks on Congress, recall Newsome etc. "more damns" etc. So an uninformed driver might start to feel sorry for these poor farmers? Hmmm, but I'm passing mile after mile of Almonds. ..millions of acres of the most water consuming crop you can grow. A closer look shows that the almond growers (just almonds) use 35 times the water used by the entire city of Sacramento! Also, 70% of the almonds grown in California are exported. So big agribusiness is making billions of dollars off crops like this, but want the average Joe to get sad for the poor mom n pop farmers!..and not a head of lettuce, straw berries, tomatoes in view.. we already use close to 1/3rd the water out of our rivers. I feel zero empathy for them.. So you want California to stop growing almonds? You know we produce 80% of the almonds grown in the world. Of course I know that we produce 80%. Just don't cry on the I-5 with your bogus signs during a severe drought while you are using 35 times the water of a City the size of Sacramento...and while rivers like the Klamath are losing an entire year class of salmon. Greedy bastards. |
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Post by sdsu2000 on May 18, 2021 18:04:25 GMT -8
So you want California to stop growing almonds? You know we produce 80% of the almonds grown in the world. Of course I know that we produce 80%. Just don't cry on the I-5 with your bogus signs during a severe drought while you are using 35 times the water of a City the size of Sacramento...and while rivers like the Klamath are losing an entire year class of salmon. Greedy bastards. I look at the politicians being more responsible at getting us to this point than the almond growers. The decisions that got us here were made decades ago and not just with the rise of almond popularity. But we can each have our own enemy. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jun 21, 2021 7:00:22 GMT -8
California almond growers now using 10% of the entire State's water use.... or 3 times the amount used by the City of Los Angeles. This SW drought pattern is nearing 2,000 year levels. My botanist friend says that the Sequoias will not survive another 1 to 2 years of this. Not to mention the lowest water level in history for Lake Mead. What is wrong with this picture?
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 18, 2021 22:37:52 GMT -8
So you want California to stop growing almonds? You know we produce 80% of the almonds grown in the world. Of course I know that we produce 80%. Just don't cry on the I-5 with your bogus signs during a severe drought while you are using 35 times the water of a City the size of Sacramento...and while rivers like the Klamath are losing an entire year class of salmon. Greedy bastards. What's ridiculous as well is how citizens are compelled by save water campaigns to cut back their water usage, as if they are at fault, when 80% of water usage goes to agriculture in the state. Maybe agribusiness can pay for water treatment plants for SD and LA as well. |
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Post by uwphoto on Feb 16, 2022 18:20:55 GMT -8
So now that tree ring data shows that we are in a drought that is the worst in 1200 years... does anyone still beleive those bull$#!+ signs by big Ag on the I-5...that the drought is somehow manufactured or not real?? Perhaps they will get pressured to adopt less water intensive crops than almonds, other nut trees and pomegranate? These happen to be the most water intensive crops and perhaps 70% exported.
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Post by North County Aztec on Feb 16, 2022 18:33:21 GMT -8
Reading this thread, I'm convinced, it is straight out of the Twilight Zone.
"Cause the sign at the end of the road it says Next stop, twilight zone."
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Post by uwphoto on Feb 16, 2022 19:00:40 GMT -8
Reading this thread, I'm convinced, it is straight out of the Twilight Zone.
"Cause the sign at the end of the road it says Next stop, twilight zone."
Evidence that high potency THC products should have remained illegal. |
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Post by North County Aztec on Feb 16, 2022 19:10:09 GMT -8
Reading this thread, I'm convinced, it is straight out of the Twilight Zone. "Cause the sign at the end of the road it says Next stop, twilight zone."
Evidence that high potency THC products should have remained illegal. Coming from the person that refereed to Trump as the "Orange Jim Jones" I would 100% agree, but you did type lower case "orange," so maybe you weren't quite your usual. |
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Post by uwphoto on Feb 17, 2022 6:51:29 GMT -8
Back to the subject. Many parts of California had zero precipitation in January (including Tahoe) for the first time in recorded history. Most of northern California is heading towards a completely dry February. This is during the peak of California's rainy season. This has tremendous ramifications for the West. However, this year is not an anomaly, the last 20 years have followed this extremely dry pattern with a few exceptions.
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Post by North County Aztec on Feb 17, 2022 15:33:47 GMT -8
Back to the subject. Many parts of California had zero precipitation in January (including Tahoe) for the first time in recorded history. Most of northern California is heading towards a completely dry February. This is during the peak of California's rainy season. This has tremendous ramifications for the West. However, this year is not an anomaly, the last 20 years have followed this extremely dry pattern with a few exceptions. The few exceptions: July 1, 2021 to February 9, 2022 % of normal per Golden Gate Weather Service Sacramento 133% Santa Rosa 106% SFO airport 137% Oakland 135% Livermore 119% Stockton 102% Modesto 114% Bakersfield 102% Bishop 148% Paso Robles 104% Camarillo 145% Burbank 107% LAX 120% Ontario 122% |
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Post by North County Aztec on Feb 17, 2022 15:40:54 GMT -8
Back to the subject. Many parts of California had zero precipitation in January (including Tahoe) for the first time in recorded history. Most of northern California is heading towards a completely dry February. This is during the peak of California's rainy season. This has tremendous ramifications for the West. However, this year is not an anomaly, the last 20 years have followed this extremely dry pattern with a few exceptions. October 2016-February 2017
California averaged 27.81 inches of precipitation, the highest average since such records began being kept in 1895 In the last 20 years 13 were below normal 7 above normal per USC data. Few would be 1 or 2 perhaps 3 I'll even give you 4, but not 7 2004-2005 22.58 above season average. |
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Post by uwphoto on Feb 17, 2022 16:01:02 GMT -8
Back to the subject. Many parts of California had zero precipitation in January (including Tahoe) for the first time in recorded history. Most of northern California is heading towards a completely dry February. This is during the peak of California's rainy season. This has tremendous ramifications for the West. However, this year is not an anomaly, the last 20 years have followed this extremely dry pattern with a few exceptions. The few exceptions: July 1, 2021 to February 9, 2022 % of normal per Golden Gate Weather Service Sacramento 133% Santa Rosa 106% SFO airport 137% Oakland 135% Livermore 119% Stockton 102% Modesto 114% Bakersfield 102% Bishop 148% Paso Robles 104% Camarillo 145% Burbank 107% LAX 120% Ontario 122% Yes, that was December. How's the snow pack now? If we go dry for February...to add to the unprecedented dry January..your point will be what? |
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Post by uwphoto on Feb 17, 2022 16:23:13 GMT -8
Back to the subject. Many parts of California had zero precipitation in January (including Tahoe) for the first time in recorded history. Most of northern California is heading towards a completely dry February. This is during the peak of California's rainy season. This has tremendous ramifications for the West. However, this year is not an anomaly, the last 20 years have followed this extremely dry pattern with a few exceptions. October 2016-February 2017
California averaged 27.81 inches of precipitation, the highest average since such records began being kept in 1895 In the last 20 years 13 were below normal 7 above normal per USC data. Few would be 1 or 2 perhaps 3 I'll even give you 4, but not 7 2004-2005 22.58 above season average. 2017 was a wet year..lucky for us, since much of the post 2000 years have been drier than normal. California doesn't average rainfall. Its regional. For example Poway got 0.39 inches 2 days ago but everything north of LA got nothing. Northern California should get more than us. Yes, my daughter got 5.3 inches at Sacramento in one day back in December..their alltime record...but almost nothing since. Anyway, the scientific community is telling us we are in a megadrought. They have ways of using tree ring data from trees that have been alive 1500 years. Tree rings do not lie re: precipitation/ wetness in a given year. Of course we have actual measurements since the mid 1800's. If you are still in doubt, visit vegetation / tree communities throughout the state and you can see the evidence with your eyes. For example, pinyon mountain in Anza-Borrego has a pinyon pine forest that has been there for 2,000 years. There are virtually no human impacts up there, such as fire suppression etc. Its 90% dead. |
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