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Post by aztecryan on Apr 7, 2021 20:26:06 GMT -8
Honestly, Ryan, if you think the Abraham accords are meaningless, you are virtually clueless about the Middle East. Even Jeffry Goldberg, in a generally sour-grapes piece in the Atlantic discussing these accords, concedes some pretty good reasons to applaud them. Israel and the United Arab Emirates (along with other Gulf states) have secretly cooperated with each other against their common enemy, the Islamic Republic of Iran, for more than a decade. The normalization of relations strengthens this coalition, the members of which (mainly correctly) see Iran and its various terrorist appendages as threats to their stability and territorial integrity, and even to their existence.
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. . . Arab leaders are signaling to the Palestinians that they have grown tired of what they see as Palestinian rejectionism and obduracy, and also that they would very much like to be partners with Israel in high-tech development and in the fight against Iran. Two years ago, bin Salman told me in an interview: “I believe that each people, anywhere, has a right to live in their peaceful nation. I believe the Palestinians and the Israelis have the right to have their own land.” AzWm You need to understand that there are many people out there that do not want to give President Trump one ounce of praise, or acknowledgement of any of his successes. I'm like you, one who will give praise when deserved, but will acknowledge shortcomings. I wouldn't get so upset as you are. There's no way they're going to change their minds, or the way they look at things. That's a choice that everyone has, how to handle it, amongst other things. Because there is literally zero need to do any of this. We're not talking about "shortcomings" like being tardy for gym class. We're talking about racism, insurrection, social division, platforms of hate, conspiracy theories and so on. These things matter as they infiltrate Congress and shape policy and political decisions. |
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Post by William L. Rupp on Apr 8, 2021 15:54:22 GMT -8
Wm, Hitler and the National Socialists also did a few good things for Germany in the mid-30s, but there's good reason you never hear of them. Before you go nuts again, no I'm not comparing Trump to Hitler. But I do wonder why you seem to expend so much energy on continuing to "yeah, but he did good too" re Trump. He was horrific for our country and took great pleasure in fomenting divisiveness, the likes I haven't seen in my lifetime. Very good points. We both agree, I assume, that Hitler (and a few others such as Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot) was in another league altogether. The problem with respect to this ongoing talk of Donald Trump is that those who most oppose him believe that every single action taken by his administration was totally wrong, and only people who are deficient in intelligence and decency could hold a different opinion. There is a middle ground between those who would never cite Trump as well qualified to be POTUS and those who believe him to be the devil incarnate who did his level best to destroy the country. I can, and have, cited both good and bad aspects of the Trump presidency. That sets me apart from some others who have been participating in these discussions. Many Trump supporters (who seem to be totally absent hereabouts) see him as one of the great Presidents. They reject out of hand any and all attacks against the man. At the other end of the spectrum are those who think he has been the worst threat to the republic since the founding. The fact is that I fear a fate much worse than any that Trump could pose. AzWm |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 8, 2021 16:28:20 GMT -8
Wm, Hitler and the National Socialists also did a few good things for Germany in the mid-30s, but there's good reason you never hear of them. Before you go nuts again, no I'm not comparing Trump to Hitler. But I do wonder why you seem to expend so much energy on continuing to "yeah, but he did good too" re Trump. He was horrific for our country and took great pleasure in fomenting divisiveness, the likes I haven't seen in my lifetime. Very good points. We both agree, I assume, that Hitler (and a few others such as Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot) was in another league altogether. The problem with respect to this ongoing talk of Donald Trump is that those who most oppose him believe that every single action taken by his administration was totally wrong, and only people who are deficient in intelligence and decency could hold a different opinion. There is a middle ground between those who would never cite Trump as well qualified to be POTUS and those who believe him to be the devil incarnate who did his level best to destroy the country. I can, and have, cited both good and bad aspects of the Trump presidency. That sets me apart from some others who have been participating in these discussions. Many Trump supporters (who seem to be totally absent hereabouts) see him as one of the great Presidents. They reject out of hand any and all attacks against the man. At the other end of the spectrum are those who think he has been the worst threat to the republic since the founding. The fact is that I fear a fate much worse than any that Trump could pose. AzWm To me, the big difference so far is that ANYTHING Trump did was pounced on by the media and turned worse at times than it really was, and anything Biden does/did is swept under the rug and not mentioned. |
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Post by William L. Rupp on Apr 8, 2021 16:49:03 GMT -8
You need to understand that there are many people out there that do not want to give President Trump one ounce of praise, or acknowledgement of any of his successes. I'm like you, one who will give praise when deserved, but will acknowledge shortcomings. I wouldn't get so upset as you are. There's no way they're going to change their minds, or the way they look at things. That's a choice that everyone has, how to handle it, amongst other things. Because there is literally zero need to do any of this. We're not talking about "shortcomings" like being tardy for gym class. We're talking about racism, insurrection, social division, platforms of hate, conspiracy theories and so on. These things matter as they infiltrate Congress and shape policy and political decisions. Well, there are very solid reasons to reject most of the your charges. At this point I will comment on just one. Calling Trump a racist is a totally false and irresponsible charge. Donald Trump is a pro-Trumpist. Say nice things about him and he is your friend. Attack him, and he is your enemy. I don't think he gives a rat's ass about a person's color or facial features. The casual use of the word Nazi to attack political opponents cheapens the reality of National Socialist evil. In the same way the casual use of the word racist cheapens the reality of people who were proud and open racists and who were often in a position of political power. I don't think you can point to anything that Trump has publicly said that rivals the well documented words and actions of such people as Lester Maddox, Bull Connor, or Sen. Theodore Bilbo. (That last one was a real doozie. Just read his Wikipedia bio. Among many other outrageous things he did or said was this action in the Senate of the United States. "Bilbo proposed an amendment to the federal work-relief bill on June 6, 1938, which would have deported twelve million black Americans to Liberia at federal expense to relieve unemployment.") I think it would be useful for younger Americans, namely those born after about 1960, to understand that it used to be common practice before the civil rights movement to make ugly racist statements in public, sometimes in the Congress of the United States of America. Today such a public statement would instantly kill the political or career future of anyone stupid enough to say it. (I applaud you at least for not calling Trump anti-Semitic. His son-in-law is a Jew. I believe his daughter is converting to Judaism. He has moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, an action long hoped for by Israel. He has openly and without reservation supported Israel in general and the Israeli Prime Minister in particular. If he is an anti-Semite, he's a pretty ineffectual one. That has not stopped some on the Left, though thankfully not so much lately, from attacking Trump with that term.) AzWm |
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Post by William L. Rupp on Apr 8, 2021 16:54:38 GMT -8
Very good points. We both agree, I assume, that Hitler (and a few others such as Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot) was in another league altogether. The problem with respect to this ongoing talk of Donald Trump is that those who most oppose him believe that every single action taken by his administration was totally wrong, and only people who are deficient in intelligence and decency could hold a different opinion. There is a middle ground between those who would never cite Trump as well qualified to be POTUS and those who believe him to be the devil incarnate who did his level best to destroy the country. I can, and have, cited both good and bad aspects of the Trump presidency. That sets me apart from some others who have been participating in these discussions. Many Trump supporters (who seem to be totally absent hereabouts) see him as one of the great Presidents. They reject out of hand any and all attacks against the man. At the other end of the spectrum are those who think he has been the worst threat to the republic since the founding. The fact is that I fear a fate much worse than any that Trump could pose. AzWm To me, the big difference so far is that ANYTHING Trump did was pounced on by the media and turned worse at times than it really was, and anything Biden does/did is swept under the rug and not mentioned. It's pretty hard to sweep under the rug his accusation, by very specific implication, that those who voted for or support the new Georgia voting law are racist. There are many other ways he could announce his opposition to that law. Ways that do not use the term Jim Crow. Does this man have any sense of all? Does he have any sense of history? AzWm |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 8, 2021 19:28:35 GMT -8
Because there is literally zero need to do any of this. We're not talking about "shortcomings" like being tardy for gym class. We're talking about racism, insurrection, social division, platforms of hate, conspiracy theories and so on. These things matter as they infiltrate Congress and shape policy and political decisions. Well, there are very solid reasons to reject most of the your charges. At this point I will comment on just one. Calling Trump a racist is a totally false and irresponsible charge. Donald Trump is a pro-Trumpist. Say nice things about him and he is your friend. Attack him, and he is your enemy. I don't think he gives a rat's ass about a person's color or facial features. The casual use of the word Nazi to attack political opponents cheapens the reality of National Socialist evil. In the same way the casual use of the word racist cheapens the reality of people who were proud and open racists and who were often in a position of political power. I don't think you can point to anything that Trump has publicly said that rivals the well documented words and actions of such people as Lester Maddox, Bull Connor, or Sen. Theodore Bilbo. (That last one was a real doozie. Just read his Wikipedia bio. Among many other outrageous things he did or said was this action in the Senate of the United States. "Bilbo proposed an amendment to the federal work-relief bill on June 6, 1938, which would have deported twelve million black Americans to Liberia at federal expense to relieve unemployment.") I think it would be useful for younger Americans, namely those born after about 1960, to understand that it used to be common practice before the civil rights movement to make ugly racist statements in public, sometimes in the Congress of the United States of America. Today such a public statement would instantly kill the political or career future of anyone stupid enough to say it. (I applaud you at least for not calling Trump anti-Semitic. His son-in-law is a Jew. I believe his daughter is converting to Judaism. He has moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, an action long hoped for by Israel. He has openly and without reservation supported Israel in general and the Israeli Prime Minister in particular. If he is an anti-Semite, he's a pretty ineffectual one. That has not stopped some on the Left, though thankfully not so much lately, from attacking Trump with that term.) AzWm I think you nailed it when you said if you were on Trump's side, no matter your color, he was your friend, but if you were against him, it was ball's to the walls and he could say some very hateful things. Ask Rosey O'Donnell. Rosey could dish it out big time as well. |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 8, 2021 22:00:41 GMT -8
Because there is literally zero need to do any of this. We're not talking about "shortcomings" like being tardy for gym class. We're talking about racism, insurrection, social division, platforms of hate, conspiracy theories and so on. These things matter as they infiltrate Congress and shape policy and political decisions. Well, there are very solid reasons to reject most of the your charges. At this point I will comment on just one. Calling Trump a racist is a totally false and irresponsible charge. Donald Trump is a pro-Trumpist. Say nice things about him and he is your friend. Attack him, and he is your enemy. I don't think he gives a rat's ass about a person's color or facial features. The casual use of the word Nazi to attack political opponents cheapens the reality of National Socialist evil. In the same way the casual use of the word racist cheapens the reality of people who were proud and open racists and who were often in a position of political power. I don't think you can point to anything that Trump has publicly said that rivals the well documented words and actions of such people as Lester Maddox, Bull Connor, or Sen. Theodore Bilbo. (That last one was a real doozie. Just read his Wikipedia bio. Among many other outrageous things he did or said was this action in the Senate of the United States. "Bilbo proposed an amendment to the federal work-relief bill on June 6, 1938, which would have deported twelve million black Americans to Liberia at federal expense to relieve unemployment.") I think it would be useful for younger Americans, namely those born after about 1960, to understand that it used to be common practice before the civil rights movement to make ugly racist statements in public, sometimes in the Congress of the United States of America. Today such a public statement would instantly kill the political or career future of anyone stupid enough to say it. (I applaud you at least for not calling Trump anti-Semitic. His son-in-law is a Jew. I believe his daughter is converting to Judaism. He has moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, an action long hoped for by Israel. He has openly and without reservation supported Israel in general and the Israeli Prime Minister in particular. If he is an anti-Semite, he's a pretty ineffectual one. That has not stopped some on the Left, though thankfully not so much lately, from attacking Trump with that term.) AzWm It's not false - Insinuating that he doesn't have an extensive track record of inflammatory statements and actions towards people of color IS false. Well documented on here and other places, easily researched and validated. The desperation to cling to this narrative that he somehow has redeeming qualities towards humanity in general is quite sad. Just because he isn't George Wallace doesn't suddenly make the bar go any higher. |
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Post by William L. Rupp on Apr 8, 2021 23:32:50 GMT -8
Well, there are very solid reasons to reject most of the your charges. At this point I will comment on just one. Calling Trump a racist is a totally false and irresponsible charge. Donald Trump is a pro-Trumpist. Say nice things about him and he is your friend. Attack him, and he is your enemy. I don't think he gives a rat's ass about a person's color or facial features. The casual use of the word Nazi to attack political opponents cheapens the reality of National Socialist evil. In the same way the casual use of the word racist cheapens the reality of people who were proud and open racists and who were often in a position of political power. I don't think you can point to anything that Trump has publicly said that rivals the well documented words and actions of such people as Lester Maddox, Bull Connor, or Sen. Theodore Bilbo. (That last one was a real doozie. Just read his Wikipedia bio. Among many other outrageous things he did or said was this action in the Senate of the United States. "Bilbo proposed an amendment to the federal work-relief bill on June 6, 1938, which would have deported twelve million black Americans to Liberia at federal expense to relieve unemployment.") I think it would be useful for younger Americans, namely those born after about 1960, to understand that it used to be common practice before the civil rights movement to make ugly racist statements in public, sometimes in the Congress of the United States of America. Today such a public statement would instantly kill the political or career future of anyone stupid enough to say it. (I applaud you at least for not calling Trump anti-Semitic. His son-in-law is a Jew. I believe his daughter is converting to Judaism. He has moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, an action long hoped for by Israel. He has openly and without reservation supported Israel in general and the Israeli Prime Minister in particular. If he is an anti-Semite, he's a pretty ineffectual one. That has not stopped some on the Left, though thankfully not so much lately, from attacking Trump with that term.) AzWm It's not false - Insinuating that he doesn't have an extensive track record of inflammatory statements and actions towards people of color IS false. Well documented on here and other places, easily researched and validated. The desperation to cling to this narrative that he somehow has redeeming qualities towards humanity in general is quite sad. Just because he isn't George Wallace doesn't suddenly make the bar go any higher. It's not a question of whether Donald Trump has or does not have redeeming qualities. The problem here is that I think Donald Trump is a severely flawed human being who, as well, falls far short of having the qualifications one would hope a POTUS would posses. The same could be said for many other people, perhaps even for some former Presidents. You, on the other hand, apparently feel that he is one of worst human beings who ever lived. Now that's sad. I wonder what you think of LBJ, a President who was as close to being a total scoundrel as one can get. At least Trump does not bear the responsibility for starting a war. The same cannot be said for Johnson, nor, for that matter, G.W. Bush. Possibly even Obama, depending on what you think of the Libya situation. Okay, if you think he is racist, cite one thing that he has said that indicates that he is. By claiming that he is, the burden of proof is on you. By the way, if inflammatory statements bother you, tell us what you think of our current President's implying that anyone who supports the new Georgia law is in favor of Jim Crow. Short of calling someone a pedophile, that's about the worst thing a public figure can call anyone. Perhaps that's even worse these days. AzWm |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 9, 2021 8:27:46 GMT -8
It's not false - Insinuating that he doesn't have an extensive track record of inflammatory statements and actions towards people of color IS false. Well documented on here and other places, easily researched and validated. The desperation to cling to this narrative that he somehow has redeeming qualities towards humanity in general is quite sad. Just because he isn't George Wallace doesn't suddenly make the bar go any higher. It's not a question of whether Donald Trump has or does not have redeeming qualities. The problem here is that I think Donald Trump is a severely flawed human being who, as well, falls far short of having the qualifications one would hope a POTUS would posses. The same could be said for many other people, perhaps even for some former Presidents. You, on the other hand, apparently feel that he is one of worst human beings who ever lived. Now that's sad. I wonder what you think of LBJ, a President who was as close to being a total scoundrel as one can get. At least Trump does not bear the responsibility for starting a war. The same cannot be said for Johnson, nor, for that matter, G.W. Bush. Possibly even Obama, depending on what you think of the Libya situation. Okay, if you think he is racist, cite one thing that he has said that indicates that he is. By claiming that he is, the burden of proof is on you. By the way, if inflammatory statements bother you, tell us what you think of our current President's implying that anyone who supports the new Georgia law is in favor of Jim Crow. Short of calling someone a pedophile, that's about the worst thing a public figure can call anyone. Perhaps that's even worse these days. AzWm As much as you repeat yourself, I have never called Trump "one of the worst human beings to ever live"...ever. He's a tyrant, a bully, a coward and one of the worst PRESIDENTS of all-time, yes. I've cited dozens of examples of racist behavior - The Central Park Five, the attacks on immigrants (Haitians, Nigerians, Mexicans, etc), accusing a judge of being biased on a case because of his Hispanic background, "Chinese virus", "Kung Flu", accusing Kamala Harris of not being from the United States, the Obama birtherism attacks....Again, easily, easily illustrated with just a tiny bit of effort. Biden's correct in a sense - The problem is the interpretation of Jim Crow by the fake outraged who have no problem when the shoe is on the other foot. While I don't think this is political lynching, it's important to recognize some basic principles. What's happening in Georgia is targeted voter suppression against a majority Black voting base. That's not a fantasy - The Republicans have tried to do it for a while now. The legislation they passed specifically targets lower-income groups in metropolitan areas, the majority of which are Black in this instance. Fulton County, Cobb County and so on. They removed the guy who would not "find the votes" for Donald Trump and transferred power to an entirely GOP-led body to exert influence. This is a MAJOR problem as it allows the Republicans to manufacture a crisis and handpick those in charge of disqualifying ballots. The bill itself is born out of a myth about widespread voter fraud in the state, which never occurred. They counted votes three different times using three different methods and found a miniscule amount of problematic ballots. |
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Post by azson on Apr 9, 2021 8:29:24 GMT -8
It's not false - Insinuating that he doesn't have an extensive track record of inflammatory statements and actions towards people of color IS false. Well documented on here and other places, easily researched and validated. The desperation to cling to this narrative that he somehow has redeeming qualities towards humanity in general is quite sad. Just because he isn't George Wallace doesn't suddenly make the bar go any higher. It's not a question of whether Donald Trump has or does not have redeeming qualities. The problem here is that I think Donald Trump is a severely flawed human being who, as well, falls far short of having the qualifications one would hope a POTUS would posses. The same could be said for many other people, perhaps even for some former Presidents. You, on the other hand, apparently feel that he is one of worst human beings who ever lived. Now that's sad. I wonder what you think of LBJ, a President who was as close to being a total scoundrel as one can get. At least Trump does not bear the responsibility for starting a war. The same cannot be said for Johnson, nor, for that matter, G.W. Bush. Possibly even Obama, depending on what you think of the Libya situation. Okay, if you think he is racist, cite one thing that he has said that indicates that he is. By claiming that he is, the burden of proof is on you. By the way, if inflammatory statements bother you, tell us what you think of our current President's implying that anyone who supports the new Georgia law is in favor of Jim Crow. Short of calling someone a pedophile, that's about the worst thing a public figure can call anyone. Perhaps that's even worse these days. AzWm Here's two links (of many) that offer some exemplars (of many): www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Apr 9, 2021 9:53:24 GMT -8
O.K. who's next??
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Post by uwphoto on Apr 11, 2021 6:18:04 GMT -8
Orange psycho took a dump in the American punchbowl. He attacked our institutions and all living former presidents, and diminished our history. Know why? Because he is a narcissist who can't feel good unless he diminishes everything except himself. Sad for him, he will never feel fulfilled as a human. Sad for us, he was able to gain power in the first place. Devolution has been accelerated.
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Post by uwphoto on Apr 11, 2021 6:20:38 GMT -8
Example of how far America has fallen. 50% of Republicans think the insurrection was "peaceful"! If that's not f****d up...nothing is.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 14, 2021 22:13:24 GMT -8
Example of how far America has fallen. 50% of Republicans think the insurrection was "peaceful"! If that's not f****d up...nothing is. You call it an insurrection, I prefer the term riot. Certainly those who invaded the capitol must be held accountable in a court of law. What they did was totally unacceptable. I doubt few or any of then will be cut any legal slack. That's fine. But I wish more notice were taken of those who have rioted so many nights in many places during the past year. Also, let's acknowledge that many of the thousands who went to the capitol did not --- repeat NOT --- riot. Those who did riot broke the law, but let's not paint everybody with the same brush. Isn't that what many have said about the 'mostly peaceful demonstrations' in Portland, Minneapolis, and elsewhere? (You know, the 'demonstrations' that have cost thousands and thousands of people their places of business and jobs? What is the bill for damages in those actions? Close to two billion dollars, I think.) Okay, I'll go along with that. Let's just not have two standards of justice. AzWm |
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Post by uwphoto on Apr 15, 2021 3:41:55 GMT -8
Example of how far America has fallen. 50% of Republicans think the insurrection was "peaceful"! If that's not f****d up...nothing is. You call it an insurrection, I prefer the term riot. Certainly those who invaded the capitol must be held accountable in a court of law. What they did was totally unacceptable. I doubt few or any of then will be cut any legal slack. That's fine. But I wish more notice were taken of those who have rioted so many nights in many places during the past year. Also, let's acknowledge that many of the thousands who went to the capitol did not --- repeat NOT --- riot. Those who did riot broke the law, but let's not paint everybody with the same brush. Isn't that what many have said about the 'mostly peaceful demonstrations' in Portland, Minneapolis, and elsewhere? (You know, the 'demonstrations' that have cost thousands and thousands of people their places of business and jobs? What is the bill for damages in those actions? Close to two billion dollars, I think.) Okay, I'll go along with that. Let's just not have two standards of justice. AzWm Here's the bad news for your "equivalency" argument. The Portland rioters for example, are mostly anarchists who mostly don't even vote. They have always been here, think "Peoples Park" in Berkeley in the 70's. The insurrectionists, on the other hand, had uniforms on. They said "maga" and trump. Worst of all, they were doing exactly what trump and right wing radio told them to do. Listen to Michael Savage, Alex Jones, et al some time. The Right has gone nuts, and its organized. |
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Post by azson on Apr 15, 2021 7:51:07 GMT -8
Example of how far America has fallen. 50% of Republicans think the insurrection was "peaceful"! If that's not f****d up...nothing is. You call it an insurrection, I prefer the term riot. Certainly those who invaded the capitol must be held accountable in a court of law. What they did was totally unacceptable. I doubt few or any of then will be cut any legal slack. That's fine. But I wish more notice were taken of those who have rioted so many nights in many places during the past year. Also, let's acknowledge that many of the thousands who went to the capitol did not --- repeat NOT --- riot. Those who did riot broke the law, but let's not paint everybody with the same brush. Isn't that what many have said about the 'mostly peaceful demonstrations' in Portland, Minneapolis, and elsewhere? (You know, the 'demonstrations' that have cost thousands and thousands of people their places of business and jobs? What is the bill for damages in those actions? Close to two billion dollars, I think.) Okay, I'll go along with that. Let's just not have two standards of justice. AzWm I note you quietly moved on from the Trump/racist dialogue. Nothing further to say on the matter? |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 15, 2021 9:58:30 GMT -8
Example of how far America has fallen. 50% of Republicans think the insurrection was "peaceful"! If that's not f****d up...nothing is. You call it an insurrection, I prefer the term riot. Certainly those who invaded the capitol must be held accountable in a court of law. What they did was totally unacceptable. I doubt few or any of then will be cut any legal slack. That's fine. But I wish more notice were taken of those who have rioted so many nights in many places during the past year. Also, let's acknowledge that many of the thousands who went to the capitol did not --- repeat NOT --- riot. Those who did riot broke the law, but let's not paint everybody with the same brush. Isn't that what many have said about the 'mostly peaceful demonstrations' in Portland, Minneapolis, and elsewhere? (You know, the 'demonstrations' that have cost thousands and thousands of people their places of business and jobs? What is the bill for damages in those actions? Close to two billion dollars, I think.) Okay, I'll go along with that. Let's just not have two standards of justice. AzWm This is why nobody takes you seriously, William. You call it a "riot" - It was an armed insurrection against the United States Capitol. People died - Including law enforcement members from the party that is so "pro-police." Then you play the "what about Minneapolis/Portland" card like you're reading from the RNC script word for word. There is no equating social justice towards racial killings by police officers to armed insurrection based on political myths. Zero. One is an absolute reality (The list is incredibly long, and just added another name 72 hours ago) and the other is propaganda conspiracy based on false voter fraud claims. And again, you do realize the protests/riots you're referring to was the work of BOTH ends of the political spectrum, right? There are two standards of justice in this country, just not the standards you're referring to. Why don't we try to blame the root cause of the problem and not the aftermath, for once? Probably would be a lot more productive. I'd like to see a source for your 2 billion dollar figure as well, just out of curiosity. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Apr 15, 2021 20:59:52 GMT -8
You call it an insurrection, I prefer the term riot. Certainly those who invaded the capitol must be held accountable in a court of law. What they did was totally unacceptable. I doubt few or any of then will be cut any legal slack. That's fine. But I wish more notice were taken of those who have rioted so many nights in many places during the past year. Also, let's acknowledge that many of the thousands who went to the capitol did not --- repeat NOT --- riot. Those who did riot broke the law, but let's not paint everybody with the same brush. Isn't that what many have said about the 'mostly peaceful demonstrations' in Portland, Minneapolis, and elsewhere? (You know, the 'demonstrations' that have cost thousands and thousands of people their places of business and jobs? What is the bill for damages in those actions? Close to two billion dollars, I think.) Okay, I'll go along with that. Let's just not have two standards of justice. AzWm This is why nobody takes you seriously, William. You call it a "riot" - It was an armed insurrection against the United States Capitol. People died - Including law enforcement members from the party that is so "pro-police." Then you play the "what about Minneapolis/Portland" card like you're reading from the RNC script word for word. There is no equating social justice towards racial killings by police officers to armed insurrection based on political myths. Zero. One is an absolute reality (The list is incredibly long, and just added another name 72 hours ago) and the other is propaganda conspiracy based on false voter fraud claims. And again, you do realize the protests/riots you're referring to was the work of BOTH ends of the political spectrum, right? There are two standards of justice in this country, just not the standards you're referring to. Why don't we try to blame the root cause of the problem and not the aftermath, for once? Probably would be a lot more productive. I'd like to see a source for your 2 billion dollar figure as well, just out of curiosity. Question: How many firearms were confiscated by the Capital Police during the “Capital Insurrection”? Answer: None. Question: How many firearms have been confiscated in Minneapolis? Answer: 4...and counting. Conclusion: The verminous scum in the media have the power to lie and brand at will, virtually nobody challenges their monopoly. The Pandemic has given them a captive audience, eyes are glued to the boob tube....why would they want the Pandemic to end? Many people are stuck at home...and most of them watch and listen out of boredom to the lies of CNN. They are dividing our country, stirring up discord between ethnic groups. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Governmental Pandemic measures last deep into next year. Corona virus “booster shots” coming soon. Never has our population been so easily manipulated and set against each other. The rhetoric on cable news is tearing our country apart. |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 15, 2021 23:46:28 GMT -8
This is why nobody takes you seriously, William. You call it a "riot" - It was an armed insurrection against the United States Capitol. People died - Including law enforcement members from the party that is so "pro-police." Then you play the "what about Minneapolis/Portland" card like you're reading from the RNC script word for word. There is no equating social justice towards racial killings by police officers to armed insurrection based on political myths. Zero. One is an absolute reality (The list is incredibly long, and just added another name 72 hours ago) and the other is propaganda conspiracy based on false voter fraud claims. And again, you do realize the protests/riots you're referring to was the work of BOTH ends of the political spectrum, right? There are two standards of justice in this country, just not the standards you're referring to. Why don't we try to blame the root cause of the problem and not the aftermath, for once? Probably would be a lot more productive. I'd like to see a source for your 2 billion dollar figure as well, just out of curiosity. Question: How many firearms were confiscated by the Capital Police during the “Capital Insurrection”? Answer: None. Question: How many firearms have been confiscated in Minneapolis? Answer: 4...and counting. Conclusion: The verminous scum in the media have the power to lie and brand at will, virtually nobody challenges their monopoly. The Pandemic has given them a captive audience, eyes are glued to the boob tube....why would they want the Pandemic to end? Many people are stuck at home...and most of them watch and listen out of boredom to the lies of CNN. They are dividing our country, stirring up discord between ethnic groups. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Governmental Pandemic measures last deep into next year. Corona virus “booster shots” coming soon. Never has our population been so easily manipulated and set against each other. The rhetoric on cable news is tearing our country apart. The devil loves the media. It's his platform. He's laughing at all the discord. Horrible. |
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Post by uwphoto on Apr 16, 2021 4:47:27 GMT -8
Question: How many firearms were confiscated by the Capital Police during the “Capital Insurrection”? Answer: None. Question: How many firearms have been confiscated in Minneapolis? Answer: 4...and counting. Conclusion: The verminous scum in the media have the power to lie and brand at will, virtually nobody challenges their monopoly. The Pandemic has given them a captive audience, eyes are glued to the boob tube....why would they want the Pandemic to end? Many people are stuck at home...and most of them watch and listen out of boredom to the lies of CNN. They are dividing our country, stirring up discord between ethnic groups. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Governmental Pandemic measures last deep into next year. Corona virus “booster shots” coming soon. Never has our population been so easily manipulated and set against each other. The rhetoric on cable news is tearing our country apart. The devil loves the media. It's his platform. He's laughing at all the discord. Horrible. Actually, the Russians and Chinese are laughing harder. America is candy from a baby easy to f x x x up right now...I could do it. Its like boilerplate. Putin is very popular with the Right...why is that? |
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