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Post by legkick on Mar 16, 2021 20:17:09 GMT -8
Unless the Aztecs can become a good transition team within a week (they are a below average one this year), they should NOT force transition - it would likely lead to more turnovers, and a greater risk of losing the game. The Aztecs can easily win by playing their own game.
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Post by 🥸 Hopeless Aztec on Mar 17, 2021 5:51:04 GMT -8
Unless the Aztecs can become a good transition team within a week (they are a below average one this year), they should NOT force transition - it would likely lead to more turnovers, and a greater risk of losing the game. The Aztecs can easily win by playing their own game. Why not? We have a bunch of seniors who should be able to adjust to the scheme. Heck, Wyoming full of freshman played two different games in two days and almost did what they needed to do to win. I am not saying your wrong but that zone defense they play can be brutal if we are not hitting the 3 ball. Just saying it is a good way to help avoid the set zone with speeding up the game and with our depth.
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Post by NCAztec82 on Mar 17, 2021 6:40:25 GMT -8
We need to run, run, run, then run some more. Our depth is our strength. Win the transition game, win the game. Better tell Pulliam If he knows this, he can do it. The flaw in a Tarheel-type running game is the tendency to lose focus, or lose poise and get sloppy. I see it all the time watchin ACC matchups. Pulliam has the poise and the handles to control the flow of the game, but maybe I think it could work for at least an opening salvo.
In the half court, as with any zone defense, there will be holes, and attacking the paint is crucial to open up passes to cutters running baseline, or kick outs to an open TGo, Shackel, Seiko, etc. Bottom line: On offense, Matt needs to work in the middle of the zone and make good decisions.
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Post by NCAztec82 on Mar 17, 2021 6:42:40 GMT -8
Unless the Aztecs can become a good transition team within a week (they are a below average one this year), they should NOT force transition - it would likely lead to more turnovers, and a greater risk of losing the game. The Aztecs can easily win by playing their own game. Good point. I don't know how easy it will be, but we should be the better team, and therefore come out on top.
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Post by legkick on Mar 17, 2021 7:04:06 GMT -8
Why not? We have a bunch of seniors who should be able to adjust to the scheme. Heck, Wyoming full of freshman played two different games in two days and almost did what they needed to do to win. I am not saying your wrong but that zone defense they play can be brutal if we are not hitting the 3 ball. Just saying it is a good way to help avoid the set zone with speeding up the game and with our depth. The answer to why not is because they are not naturally good at it. Pulliam is not an up tempo/breaking point guard. Obviously, if you get live ball turnovers you see if you can transition, but it's easier said than done with this team. This team's offense is accentuated by its' unselfishness, which means extra passes for the open look, and usually transition involves minimal passes. Syracuse's zone is actually designed to shut down 3 point shooting. Its' current primary weakness is free throw line extended jump shots (Mitchell/Schakel) and post dump downs (Mitchell/Mensah). Once that damage starts being done, then the zone collapses in to stop it and open looks at 3 happen.
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Post by NCAztec82 on Mar 17, 2021 7:13:16 GMT -8
Why not? We have a bunch of seniors who should be able to adjust to the scheme. Heck, Wyoming full of freshman played two different games in two days and almost did what they needed to do to win. I am not saying your wrong but that zone defense they play can be brutal if we are not hitting the 3 ball. Just saying it is a good way to help avoid the set zone with speeding up the game and with our depth. The answer to why not is because they are not naturally good at it. Pulliam is not an up tempo/breaking point guard. Obviously, if you get live ball turnovers you see if you can transition, but it's easier said than done with this team. This team's offense is accentuated by its' unselfishness, which means extra passes for the open look, and usually transition involves minimal passes. Syracuse's zone is actually designed to shut down 3 point shooting. Its' current primary weakness is free throw line extended jump shots (Mitchell/Schakel) and post dump downs (Mitchell/Mensah). Once that damage starts being done, then the zone collapses in to stop it and open looks at 3 happen. Those weaknesses are evident when you see the game they lost to GT.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Mar 17, 2021 7:16:09 GMT -8
Why not? We have a bunch of seniors who should be able to adjust to the scheme. Heck, Wyoming full of freshman played two different games in two days and almost did what they needed to do to win. I am not saying your wrong but that zone defense they play can be brutal if we are not hitting the 3 ball. Just saying it is a good way to help avoid the set zone with speeding up the game and with our depth. The answer to why not is because they are not naturally good at it. Pulliam is not an up tempo/breaking point guard. Obviously, if you get live ball turnovers you see if you can transition, but it's easier said than done with this team. This team's offense is accentuated by its' unselfishness, which means extra passes for the open look, and usually transition involves minimal passes. Syracuse's zone is actually designed to shut down 3 point shooting. Its' current primary weakness is free throw line extended jump shots (Mitchell/Schakel) and post dump downs (Mitchell/Mensah). Once that damage starts being done, then the zone collapses in to stop it and open looks at 3 happen. That's a good point... which contradicts most people's thinking when it comes to zone defense. Luckily Mitchell/Schakel are absolutely money from the mid range (FT line extended), and even Mensah is too
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Post by 🥸 Hopeless Aztec on Mar 17, 2021 7:58:07 GMT -8
Why not? We have a bunch of seniors who should be able to adjust to the scheme. Heck, Wyoming full of freshman played two different games in two days and almost did what they needed to do to win. I am not saying your wrong but that zone defense they play can be brutal if we are not hitting the 3 ball. Just saying it is a good way to help avoid the set zone with speeding up the game and with our depth. The answer to why not is because they are not naturally good at it. Pulliam is not an up tempo/breaking point guard. Obviously, if you get live ball turnovers you see if you can transition, but it's easier said than done with this team. This team's offense is accentuated by its' unselfishness, which means extra passes for the open look, and usually transition involves minimal passes. Syracuse's zone is actually designed to shut down 3 point shooting. Its' current primary weakness is free throw line extended jump shots (Mitchell/Schakel) and post dump downs (Mitchell/Mensah). Once that damage starts being done, then the zone collapses in to stop it and open looks at 3 happen. I like your thinking! It makes sense and agree with your points. Well thought out and it just makes me more excited to see the game played.
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Post by sdsuball on Mar 17, 2021 9:25:37 GMT -8
SDSU can win in an up tempo game, or a low possession game. We can run and gun 3's with Schakel and Gomez, or we can win in the half court pick and roll with Pulliam. Our team has a variety of different weapons on offense, to where you can't just take away one player. You try to help too much on Mitchell, and Schakel and Gomez will bury you in 3's. Fall asleep on Mensah or Johnson worrying about everyone else and we can start running back cuts for easy dunks. Give us the free throw line, and our shooters will eat up the open shots. It's going to be a long night for Syracuse.
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Post by NCAztec82 on Mar 17, 2021 10:24:41 GMT -8
Why not? We have a bunch of seniors who should be able to adjust to the scheme. Heck, Wyoming full of freshman played two different games in two days and almost did what they needed to do to win. I am not saying your wrong but that zone defense they play can be brutal if we are not hitting the 3 ball. Just saying it is a good way to help avoid the set zone with speeding up the game and with our depth. The answer to why not is because they are not naturally good at it. Pulliam is not an up tempo/breaking point guard. Obviously, if you get live ball turnovers you see if you can transition, but it's easier said than done with this team. This team's offense is accentuated by its' unselfishness, which means extra passes for the open look, and usually transition involves minimal passes. Syracuse's zone is actually designed to shut down 3 point shooting. Its' current primary weakness is free throw line extended jump shots (Mitchell/Schakel) and post dump downs (Mitchell/Mensah). Once that damage starts being done, then the zone collapses in to stop it and open looks at 3 happen. T Go is an up tempo guard. Now if Butler could just finish and draw contact ...
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Post by NCAztec82 on Mar 17, 2021 10:28:37 GMT -8
SDSU can win in an up tempo game, or a low possession game. We can run and gun 3's with Schakel and Gomez, or we can win in the half court pick and roll with Pulliam. Our team has a variety of different weapons on offense, to where you can't just take away one player. You try to help too much on Mitchell, and Schakel and Gomez will bury you in 3's. Fall asleep on Mensah or Johnson worrying about everyone else and we can start running back cuts for easy dunks. Give us the free throw line, and our shooters will eat up the open shots. It's going to be a long night for Syracuse. Matt Mitchell gives the Aztecs many attack options in the middle of their zone.
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 17, 2021 11:00:23 GMT -8
The answer to why not is because they are not naturally good at it. Pulliam is not an up tempo/breaking point guard. Obviously, if you get live ball turnovers you see if you can transition, but it's easier said than done with this team. This team's offense is accentuated by its' unselfishness, which means extra passes for the open look, and usually transition involves minimal passes. Syracuse's zone is actually designed to shut down 3 point shooting. Its' current primary weakness is free throw line extended jump shots (Mitchell/Schakel) and post dump downs (Mitchell/Mensah). Once that damage starts being done, then the zone collapses in to stop it and open looks at 3 happen. T Go is an up tempo guard. Now if Butler could just finish and draw contact ... We can run some up tempo with Go Go Gomez, and see how that Goes.
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Post by aztech on Mar 17, 2021 11:11:35 GMT -8
Does Syracuse have as much quality depth as we do? I think not. If their players start drawing fouls it will affect their intensity. That's when our guys can take advantage.
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Post by fisherville on Mar 17, 2021 11:46:04 GMT -8
SDSU has been a poor transition team this year (and this isn’t based in opinion the numbers back it up). The Nevada game was an anomaly, always look for good shots of its there but don’t push the ball where it leads to TOVs.
San Diego state ranks per play by synergy (out of 347) Transition: 203 Half court: 28
Of course even with this we are more efficient in transition but we shouldn’t go out of our way to push pace.
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Post by legkick on Mar 17, 2021 12:04:53 GMT -8
]T Go is an up tempo guard. Now if Butler could just finish and draw contact ... He is, but also not our primary point guard, and Pulliam is not a 2. Particularly if the refs "let them play", T Go is also more vulnerable to turnovers in transition - had his pocket picked twice in the last few games. Agree on Butler, but his point guard efficiency has regressed (handles/passing) [scoring up due to 3s landing]) and his drive finishing rate is very, very low for a college guard. I have confidence he will fix that next year, but asking for a metamorphosis in a week is risky at best.
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Post by NCAztec82 on Mar 17, 2021 14:00:25 GMT -8
]T Go is an up tempo guard. Now if Butler could just finish and draw contact ... He is, but also not our primary point guard, and Pulliam is not a 2. Particularly if the refs "let them play", T Go is also more vulnerable to turnovers in transition - had his pocket picked twice in the last few games. Agree on Butler, but his point guard efficiency has regressed (handles/passing) [scoring up due to 3s landing]) and his drive finishing rate is very, very low for a college guard. I have confidence he will fix that next year, but asking for a metamorphosis in a week is risky at best. All valid points. Looking forward to see how Coach plays it. Maybe just dance with the one you brung. No problem with Trey taking the ball up court as he always does. He has shown great poise and leadership over the last three weeks of the season. Just think pushing, not forcing, the pace can neutralize this "zone" everyone seems concerned about. Our TO numbers were outstanding in the tournament. But yes, nothing wrong with simply playing "our" game, which I see as elite defense plus this year's good ball movement and uncanny shooting. As for rebounding . . .
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Post by tonatiuh on Mar 17, 2021 19:21:01 GMT -8
If he knows this, he can do it. The flaw in a Tarheel-type running game is the tendency to lose focus, or lose poise and get sloppy. I see it all the time watchin ACC matchups. Pulliam has the poise and the handles to control the flow of the game, but maybe I think it could work for at least an opening salvo. In the half court, as with any zone defense, there will be holes, and attacking the paint is crucial to open up passes to cutters running baseline, or kick outs to an open TGo, Shackel, Seiko, etc. Bottom line: On offense, Matt needs to work in the middle of the zone and make good decisions.
They also need to watch their passes, and make sure they are sharp and on target, or we could be in trouble with turnovers.
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 17, 2021 20:09:56 GMT -8
]T Go is an up tempo guard. Now if Butler could just finish and draw contact ... He is, but also not our primary point guard, and Pulliam is not a 2. Particularly if the refs "let them play", T Go is also more vulnerable to turnovers in transition - had his pocket picked twice in the last few games. Agree on Butler, but his point guard efficiency has regressed (handles/passing) [scoring up due to 3s landing]) and his drive finishing rate is very, very low for a college guard. I have confidence he will fix that next year, but asking for a metamorphosis in a week is risky at best. Maybe we get some fast break points with GoGo Gomez leading the charge. But, I agree, let's just do what we've been doing during this very nice streak. I think it'll come down to our defense anyway. We need to contain Buddy, and let someone else try and beat us.
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Post by Aztec Since 88 on Mar 17, 2021 20:33:59 GMT -8
Just some of my thoughts,
Downhill Butler maybe neutralized as it harder to penetrate against a zone. He will need to score in transition or hit open jump shots as I think they will dare Butler shoot.
I also look for our players to fake a pass to shift the zone, and then make skip passes to the open player. Also we will like play through the high post with Mensa and Tomiac. Once the ball goes in and the defense collapses look for them to kick it out to open shooters. If defenses doesn't collapse then the BIGS will likely have a 1 on 1 from the high post.
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Post by jdaztec on Mar 17, 2021 20:38:51 GMT -8
Kind of sounds like their weak link may be the center position. Hopefully Natahn and Josh can exploit that.
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