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Post by ptsdthor on Dec 16, 2021 7:09:16 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 16, 2021 8:54:33 GMT -8
When "facts" aren't really facts, then who really cares? The FBI's "findings" were, shockingly, incorrect. www.npr.org/2021/11/04/1052320491/investigation-finds-federal-agencies-dismissed-threats-ahead-of-the-jan-6-attackWe know the FBI's investigation was bogus and hollow, the metadata dug up from the event on social media proves this. There's also WH metadata on the Clark letter to Georgia to overturn the election results. LOL - Gateway Pundit, Alex Jones and Roger Stone. Hard pass. Of course he's lying. The Secret Service has one job - It's not out here pulling chores for anyone, nor does it do logistical tasks like this. Gateway Pundit, esteemed and credible source that it is, deleted the corroboration of this conspiracy by Stone's friend who was supposedly with him at the hotel....without explanation. We know that this was a coordinated effort. We know the former president met with rally organizers two days beforehand. We know other members of Congress were directly involved. Innocent people don't run from subpoenas, they don't plead the Fifth, they don't turn tail and head for the hills to avoid answering questions. Gosar, Brooks and Biggs were implicated months ago by Ali Alexander, Boebert already admitted she gave a tour of the Capitol, which was closed at the time for such events. The truth will come out in time.
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Post by ptsdthor on Dec 16, 2021 9:25:49 GMT -8
When "facts" aren't really facts, then who really cares? The FBI's "findings" were, shockingly, incorrect. www.npr.org/2021/11/04/1052320491/investigation-finds-federal-agencies-dismissed-threats-ahead-of-the-jan-6-attackWe know the FBI's investigation was bogus and hollow, the metadata dug up from the event on social media proves this. There's also WH metadata on the Clark letter to Georgia to overturn the election results. LOL - Gateway Pundit, Alex Jones and Roger Stone. Hard pass. Of course he's lying. The Secret Service has one job - It's not out here pulling chores for anyone, nor does it do logistical tasks like this. Gateway Pundit, esteemed and credible source that it is, deleted the corroboration of this conspiracy by Stone's friend who was supposedly with him at the hotel....without explanation. We know that this was a coordinated effort. We know the former president met with rally organizers two days beforehand. We know other members of Congress were directly involved. Innocent people don't run from subpoenas, they don't plead the Fifth, they don't turn tail and head for the hills to avoid answering questions. Gosar, Brooks and Biggs were implicated months ago by Ali Alexander, Boebert already admitted she gave a tour of the Capitol, which was closed at the time for such events. The truth will come out in time. So the FBI is incompetent and it takes the likes of the evidence altering Adam Schiff and the Trump hating Liz Cheney to find out the real truth. Too funny! Would you participate in a Soviet Show trial if you had the option to plead the 5th and skip it altogether? If Stone is lying, then why doesn't some loser reporter from the NY Times talk to the people in Stone's hotel room at the time of the alleged offer from the Secret Service and expose him? They live for such things... <crickets> Oh wait, they are all liars...They have to be. The alternative is unthinkable to the true believer. And Epps?
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Post by uwphoto on Dec 16, 2021 9:51:59 GMT -8
When "facts" aren't really facts, then who really cares? The FBI's "findings" were, shockingly, incorrect. www.npr.org/2021/11/04/1052320491/investigation-finds-federal-agencies-dismissed-threats-ahead-of-the-jan-6-attackWe know the FBI's investigation was bogus and hollow, the metadata dug up from the event on social media proves this. There's also WH metadata on the Clark letter to Georgia to overturn the election results. LOL - Gateway Pundit, Alex Jones and Roger Stone. Hard pass. Of course he's lying. The Secret Service has one job - It's not out here pulling chores for anyone, nor does it do logistical tasks like this. Gateway Pundit, esteemed and credible source that it is, deleted the corroboration of this conspiracy by Stone's friend who was supposedly with him at the hotel....without explanation. We know that this was a coordinated effort. We know the former president met with rally organizers two days beforehand. We know other members of Congress were directly involved. Innocent people don't run from subpoenas, they don't plead the Fifth, they don't turn tail and head for the hills to avoid answering questions. Gosar, Brooks and Biggs were implicated months ago by Ali Alexander, Boebert already admitted she gave a tour of the Capitol, which was closed at the time for such events. The truth will come out in time. So the FBI is incompetent and it takes the likes of the evidence altering Adam Schiff and the Trump hating Liz Cheney to find out the real truth. Too funny! Would you participate in a Soviet Show trial if you had the option to plead the 5th and skip it altogether? If Stone is lying, then why doesn't some loser reporter from the NY Times talk to the people in Stone's hotel room at the time of the alleged offer from the Secret Service and expose him? They live for such things... <crickets> Oh wait, they are all liars...They have to be. The alternative is unthinkable to the true believer. And Epps? "Trump hating"...is this a joke? What do you really think of the man?? Come on tell the truth. "Hitler did some good things" to General Kelly while standing in the US cemetery at the Normandy beaches. Just a small example of his lack of soul and character. People in power don't like trump, he simply has power over them.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 16, 2021 9:52:22 GMT -8
When "facts" aren't really facts, then who really cares? The FBI's "findings" were, shockingly, incorrect. www.npr.org/2021/11/04/1052320491/investigation-finds-federal-agencies-dismissed-threats-ahead-of-the-jan-6-attackWe know the FBI's investigation was bogus and hollow, the metadata dug up from the event on social media proves this. There's also WH metadata on the Clark letter to Georgia to overturn the election results. LOL - Gateway Pundit, Alex Jones and Roger Stone. Hard pass. Of course he's lying. The Secret Service has one job - It's not out here pulling chores for anyone, nor does it do logistical tasks like this. Gateway Pundit, esteemed and credible source that it is, deleted the corroboration of this conspiracy by Stone's friend who was supposedly with him at the hotel....without explanation. We know that this was a coordinated effort. We know the former president met with rally organizers two days beforehand. We know other members of Congress were directly involved. Innocent people don't run from subpoenas, they don't plead the Fifth, they don't turn tail and head for the hills to avoid answering questions. Gosar, Brooks and Biggs were implicated months ago by Ali Alexander, Boebert already admitted she gave a tour of the Capitol, which was closed at the time for such events. The truth will come out in time. So the FBI is incompetent and it takes the likes of the evidence altering Adam Schiff and the Trump hating Liz Cheney to find out the real truth. Too funny! Would you participate in a Soviet Show trial if you had the option to plead the 5th and skip it altogether? If Stone is lying, then why doesn't some loser reporter from the NY Times talk to the people in Stone's hotel room at the time of the alleged offer from the Secret Service and expose him? They live for such things... <crickets> Oh wait, they are all liars...They have to be. The alternative is unthinkable to the true believer. And Epps? The same FBI who led an investigation into Brett Kavanaugh, failed to investigate thousands of tips and instead forwarded them back...to the Trump administration's lawyers. That FBI? Yeah, enough said there. Why do you work so hard to spread conspiracy theories that are easily disproven by five minutes of research/critical thought/use of brain cells? Subversion of democracy is a pretty serious thing. A Soviet Show trial? The same Soviet backing that put Trump in the White House? I mean, Stone's story doesn't require an exposé. He's been shown to lie to Congress before, so why are you pretending he's a beacon of truth? The Secret Service does not provide escorts to civilians on a whim. It doesn't happen. Notice you said nothing about the Gateway Pundit pulling the larger story...because it's total garbage. Ray Epps? Who cares? Revolver's run by a former Trump speechwriter. And again, I'll ask...why are you trying this hard to peddle conspiracy theories not baked in reality? This is delusional, psychotic stuff. Like I'd worry about your personal safety if you believe that this stuff is a political hit job when it's been CONFIRMED that Trump met with rally organizers on January 4th. It's been CONFIRMED that Gosar, Biggs and Brooks met with Ali Alexander. It's been CONFIRMED that Trump called Tommy Tuberville to try and delay the certification. It's been CONFIRMED by Fox News no less that their hosts were texting the WH COS begging him to ask the president to send people home. Like...what is there not to get here? Spare me the babble. Talk truth.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 16, 2021 10:02:53 GMT -8
But yes, the real story is a conspiracy about Ray Epps.
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Post by ptsdthor on Dec 16, 2021 10:12:14 GMT -8
So the FBI is incompetent and it takes the likes of the evidence altering Adam Schiff and the Trump hating Liz Cheney to find out the real truth. Too funny! Would you participate in a Soviet Show trial if you had the option to plead the 5th and skip it altogether? If Stone is lying, then why doesn't some loser reporter from the NY Times talk to the people in Stone's hotel room at the time of the alleged offer from the Secret Service and expose him? They live for such things... <crickets> Oh wait, they are all liars...They have to be. The alternative is unthinkable to the true believer. And Epps? The same FBI who led an investigation into Brett Kavanaugh, failed to investigate thousands of tips and instead forwarded them back...to the Trump administration's lawyers. That FBI? Yeah, enough said there. Why do you work so hard to spread conspiracy theories that are easily disproven by five minutes of research/critical thought/use of brain cells? Subversion of democracy is a pretty serious thing. A Soviet Show trial? The same Soviet backing that put Trump in the White House? I mean, Stone's story doesn't require an exposé. He's been shown to lie to Congress before, so why are you pretending he's a beacon of truth? The Secret Service does not provide escorts to civilians on a whim. It doesn't happen. Notice you said nothing about the Gateway Pundit pulling the larger story...because it's total garbage. Ray Epps? Who cares? Revolver's run by a former Trump speechwriter. And again, I'll ask...why are you trying this hard to peddle conspiracy theories not baked in reality? This is delusional, psychotic stuff. Like I'd worry about your personal safety if you believe that this stuff is a political hit job when it's been CONFIRMED that Trump met with rally organizers on January 4th. It's been CONFIRMED that Gosar, Biggs and Brooks met with Ali Alexander. It's been CONFIRMED that Trump called Tommy Tuberville to try and delay the certification. It's been CONFIRMED by Fox News no less that their hosts were texting the WH COS begging him to ask the president to send people home. Like...what is there not to get here? Spare me the babble. Talk truth. Haha! The FBI, which is full of Democrat Gov. Lifers (See McCabe, Strzok, Page, Clinesmith, etc) are actually all a bunch of Trump Loyalists. Really? So, like Hillary who actually blames the fake Russia Collusion plot (that she paid to manufacture by the way) as one of the reasons why she lost the election, True Believers are still acting as if was real? Amazing! Do you have any evidence that shows Trump telling anyone to breach the capital walls? Ohh ohh, we would but our key witnesses plead the 5th. Puleeze
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 16, 2021 10:38:59 GMT -8
The same FBI who led an investigation into Brett Kavanaugh, failed to investigate thousands of tips and instead forwarded them back...to the Trump administration's lawyers. That FBI? Yeah, enough said there. Why do you work so hard to spread conspiracy theories that are easily disproven by five minutes of research/critical thought/use of brain cells? Subversion of democracy is a pretty serious thing. A Soviet Show trial? The same Soviet backing that put Trump in the White House? I mean, Stone's story doesn't require an exposé. He's been shown to lie to Congress before, so why are you pretending he's a beacon of truth? The Secret Service does not provide escorts to civilians on a whim. It doesn't happen. Notice you said nothing about the Gateway Pundit pulling the larger story...because it's total garbage. Ray Epps? Who cares? Revolver's run by a former Trump speechwriter. And again, I'll ask...why are you trying this hard to peddle conspiracy theories not baked in reality? This is delusional, psychotic stuff. Like I'd worry about your personal safety if you believe that this stuff is a political hit job when it's been CONFIRMED that Trump met with rally organizers on January 4th. It's been CONFIRMED that Gosar, Biggs and Brooks met with Ali Alexander. It's been CONFIRMED that Trump called Tommy Tuberville to try and delay the certification. It's been CONFIRMED by Fox News no less that their hosts were texting the WH COS begging him to ask the president to send people home. Like...what is there not to get here? Spare me the babble. Talk truth. Haha! The FBI, which is full of Democrat Gov. Lifers (See McCabe, Strzok, Page, Clinesmith, etc) are actually all a bunch of Trump Loyalists. Really? So, like Hillary who actually blames the fake Russia Collusion plot (that she paid to manufacture by the way) as one of the reasons why she lost the election, True Believers are still acting as if was real? Amazing! Do you have any evidence that shows Trump telling anyone to breach the capital walls? Ohh ohh, we would but our key witnesses plead the 5th. Puleeze NOW we're cooking! The head of the FBI is Chris Wray - He's a Trump appointee. Not a Democrat lifer. But again, you should know that. You're not interested in the truth, you just want to speculate into the wind with dubious right-wing trashcan fodder. Yes, there's plenty of evidence. He tells them: "We're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue... and we're going to the Capitol and we're going to try and give… our Republicans, the weak ones... the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country." Anyone with a brain acting in good faith knows what this means when you connect the Trump base with the actions of the day in question. We know the National Guard was instructed to protect pro-Trump supporters (that's treason, if you're keeping score at home) and that they were delayed at the behest of the former president from even arriving. If you want to go down this road, you're going to look silly very shortly.
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Post by uwphoto on Dec 16, 2021 11:09:18 GMT -8
The same FBI who led an investigation into Brett Kavanaugh, failed to investigate thousands of tips and instead forwarded them back...to the Trump administration's lawyers. That FBI? Yeah, enough said there. Why do you work so hard to spread conspiracy theories that are easily disproven by five minutes of research/critical thought/use of brain cells? Subversion of democracy is a pretty serious thing. A Soviet Show trial? The same Soviet backing that put Trump in the White House? I mean, Stone's story doesn't require an exposé. He's been shown to lie to Congress before, so why are you pretending he's a beacon of truth? The Secret Service does not provide escorts to civilians on a whim. It doesn't happen. Notice you said nothing about the Gateway Pundit pulling the larger story...because it's total garbage. Ray Epps? Who cares? Revolver's run by a former Trump speechwriter. And again, I'll ask...why are you trying this hard to peddle conspiracy theories not baked in reality? This is delusional, psychotic stuff. Like I'd worry about your personal safety if you believe that this stuff is a political hit job when it's been CONFIRMED that Trump met with rally organizers on January 4th. It's been CONFIRMED that Gosar, Biggs and Brooks met with Ali Alexander. It's been CONFIRMED that Trump called Tommy Tuberville to try and delay the certification. It's been CONFIRMED by Fox News no less that their hosts were texting the WH COS begging him to ask the president to send people home. Like...what is there not to get here? Spare me the babble. Talk truth. Haha! The FBI, which is full of Democrat Gov. Lifers (See McCabe, Strzok, Page, Clinesmith, etc) are actually all a bunch of Trump Loyalists. Really? So, like Hillary who actually blames the fake Russia Collusion plot (that she paid to manufacture by the way) as one of the reasons why she lost the election, True Believers are still acting as if was real? Amazing! Do you have any evidence that shows Trump telling anyone to breach the capital walls? Ohh ohh, we would but our key witnesses plead the 5th. Puleeze Serious nutball speak.
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Post by azson on Dec 16, 2021 11:18:16 GMT -8
Haha! The FBI, which is full of Democrat Gov. Lifers (See McCabe, Strzok, Page, Clinesmith, etc) are actually all a bunch of Trump Loyalists. Really? So, like Hillary who actually blames the fake Russia Collusion plot (that she paid to manufacture by the way) as one of the reasons why she lost the election, True Believers are still acting as if was real? Amazing! Do you have any evidence that shows Trump telling anyone to breach the capital walls? Ohh ohh, we would but our key witnesses plead the 5th. Puleeze NOW we're cooking! The head of the FBI is Chris Wray - He's a Trump appointee. Not a Democrat lifer. But again, you should know that. You're not interested in the truth, you just want to speculate into the wind with dubious right-wing trashcan fodder. Yes, there's plenty of evidence. He tells them: "We're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue... and we're going to the Capitol and we're going to try and give… our Republicans, the weak ones... the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country." Anyone with a brain acting in good faith knows what this means when you connect the Trump base with the actions of the day in question. We know the National Guard was instructed to protect pro-Trump supporters (that's treason, if you're keeping score at home) and that they were delayed at the behest of the former president from even arriving. If you want to go down this road, you're going to look silly very shortly even sillier than you previously have, which is saying something. FIFY.
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Post by azson on Dec 16, 2021 11:20:11 GMT -8
Haha! The FBI, which is full of Democrat Gov. Lifers (See McCabe, Strzok, Page, Clinesmith, etc) are actually all a bunch of Trump Loyalists. Really? So, like Hillary who actually blames the fake Russia Collusion plot (that she paid to manufacture by the way) as one of the reasons why she lost the election, True Believers are still acting as if was real? Amazing! Do you have any evidence that shows Trump telling anyone to breach the capital walls? Ohh ohh, we would but our key witnesses plead the 5th. Puleeze Serious nutball speak.
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Post by azson on Dec 16, 2021 12:42:22 GMT -8
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Post by ptsdthor on Dec 16, 2021 16:10:44 GMT -8
Haha! The FBI, which is full of Democrat Gov. Lifers (See McCabe, Strzok, Page, Clinesmith, etc) are actually all a bunch of Trump Loyalists. Really? So, like Hillary who actually blames the fake Russia Collusion plot (that she paid to manufacture by the way) as one of the reasons why she lost the election, True Believers are still acting as if was real? Amazing! Do you have any evidence that shows Trump telling anyone to breach the capital walls? Ohh ohh, we would but our key witnesses plead the 5th. Puleeze NOW we're cooking! The head of the FBI is Chris Wray - He's a Trump appointee. Not a Democrat lifer. But again, you should know that. You're not interested in the truth, you just want to speculate into the wind with dubious right-wing trashcan fodder. Yes, there's plenty of evidence. He tells them: "We're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue... and we're going to the Capitol and we're going to try and give… our Republicans, the weak ones... the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country." Anyone with a brain acting in good faith knows what this means when you connect the Trump base with the actions of the day in question. We know the National Guard was instructed to protect pro-Trump supporters (that's treason, if you're keeping score at home) and that they were delayed at the behest of the former president from even arriving. If you want to go down this road, you're going to look silly very shortly. Protect from whom? Antifa? Talk of looking silly. The call for the National Guard to maintain peace and order actually undercuts the loonie narrative SMH. There is a difference between Democrat Government Lifers and Political Appointees. Who does the actual investigations in the FBI? If the rank and file found evidence of coordination, no political appointee could say otherwise and get away with it with these "stalwarts" occupying our Government. Oh, and as far as Trump's speech that day...I thought you meant to reference "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard today." Oh the horrors!! If the House of Representative's Show Trial was in a court of law, Adam Schiff would be the first one to be arrested - for doctoring evidence. It is not a trial but only political theater. Pelosi hand picked everyone on the committee for a reason. The cowards do not want anyone to ask the wrong question, bring exculpatory evidence, make the wrong statement, counter the narrative one iota. And Thank God for the Founding Fathers for giving us the right to remain silent to the presumed innocent. It is absolutely a Soviet Show trial.
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Post by uwphoto on Dec 16, 2021 16:36:28 GMT -8
NOW we're cooking! The head of the FBI is Chris Wray - He's a Trump appointee. Not a Democrat lifer. But again, you should know that. You're not interested in the truth, you just want to speculate into the wind with dubious right-wing trashcan fodder. Yes, there's plenty of evidence. He tells them: "We're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue... and we're going to the Capitol and we're going to try and give… our Republicans, the weak ones... the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country." Anyone with a brain acting in good faith knows what this means when you connect the Trump base with the actions of the day in question. We know the National Guard was instructed to protect pro-Trump supporters (that's treason, if you're keeping score at home) and that they were delayed at the behest of the former president from even arriving. If you want to go down this road, you're going to look silly very shortly. Protect from whom? Antifa? Talk of looking silly. The call for the National Guard to maintain peace and order actually undercuts the loonie narrative SMH. There is a difference between Democrat Government Lifers and Political Appointees. Who does the actual investigations in the FBI? If the rank and file found evidence of coordination, no political appointee could say otherwise and get away with it with these "stalwarts" occupying our Government. Oh, and as far as Trump's speech that day...I thought you meant to reference "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard today." Oh the horrors!! If the House of Representative's Show Trial was in a court of law, Adam Schiff would be the first one to be arrested - for doctoring evidence. It is not a trial but only political theater. Pelosi hand picked everyone on the committee for a reason. The cowards do not want anyone to ask the wrong question, bring exculpatory evidence, make the wrong statement, counter the narrative one iota. And Thank God for the Founding Fathers for giving us the right to remain silent to the presumed innocent. It is absolutely a Soviet Show trial. Gosar, Boebert, Gaetz and MTG agree with you...so you have that.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 16, 2021 16:55:20 GMT -8
NOW we're cooking! The head of the FBI is Chris Wray - He's a Trump appointee. Not a Democrat lifer. But again, you should know that. You're not interested in the truth, you just want to speculate into the wind with dubious right-wing trashcan fodder. Yes, there's plenty of evidence. He tells them: "We're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue... and we're going to the Capitol and we're going to try and give… our Republicans, the weak ones... the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country." Anyone with a brain acting in good faith knows what this means when you connect the Trump base with the actions of the day in question. We know the National Guard was instructed to protect pro-Trump supporters (that's treason, if you're keeping score at home) and that they were delayed at the behest of the former president from even arriving. If you want to go down this road, you're going to look silly very shortly. Protect from whom? Antifa? Talk of looking silly. The call for the National Guard to maintain peace and order actually undercuts the loonie narrative SMH. There is a difference between Democrat Government Lifers and Political Appointees. Who does the actual investigations in the FBI? If the rank and file found evidence of coordination, no political appointee could say otherwise and get away with it with these "stalwarts" occupying our Government. Oh, and as far as Trump's speech that day...I thought you meant to reference "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard today." Oh the horrors!! If the House of Representative's Show Trial was in a court of law, Adam Schiff would be the first one to be arrested - for doctoring evidence. It is not a trial but only political theater. Pelosi hand picked everyone on the committee for a reason. The cowards do not want anyone to ask the wrong question, bring exculpatory evidence, make the wrong statement, counter the narrative one iota. And Thank God for the Founding Fathers for giving us the right to remain silent to the presumed innocent. It is absolutely a Soviet Show trial. Most of the people you reference no longer work in the FBI, so, um....Nope. Pelosi didn't handpick the entire committee...at all. Do you really believe this stuff? The GOP nominated two of their own, who have both been since implicated in the actual plot. So, yeah, that's not feasible. And your Trump quote is hilarious. I can't tell if this is just bad attempts at trolling or you're seriously convinced of something that isn't there.
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Post by johneaztec on Dec 16, 2021 17:20:40 GMT -8
Protect from whom? Antifa? Talk of looking silly. The call for the National Guard to maintain peace and order actually undercuts the loonie narrative SMH. There is a difference between Democrat Government Lifers and Political Appointees. Who does the actual investigations in the FBI? If the rank and file found evidence of coordination, no political appointee could say otherwise and get away with it with these "stalwarts" occupying our Government. Oh, and as far as Trump's speech that day...I thought you meant to reference "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard today." Oh the horrors!! If the House of Representative's Show Trial was in a court of law, Adam Schiff would be the first one to be arrested - for doctoring evidence. It is not a trial but only political theater. Pelosi hand picked everyone on the committee for a reason. The cowards do not want anyone to ask the wrong question, bring exculpatory evidence, make the wrong statement, counter the narrative one iota. And Thank God for the Founding Fathers for giving us the right to remain silent to the presumed innocent. It is absolutely a Soviet Show trial. Most of the people you reference no longer work in the FBI, so, um....Nope. Pelosi didn't handpick the entire committee...at all. Do you really believe this stuff? The GOP nominated two of their own, who have both been since implicated in the actual plot. So, yeah, that's not feasible. And your Trump quote is hilarious. I can't tell if this is just bad attempts at trolling or you're seriously convinced of something that isn't there. But, Trump did ask people to protest and march peacefully. That is just a fact. He wanted their voices to be heard. Nothing wrong with that. It turned into riot, but Trump didn't ask for that. But, of course, once it turned out the way it did they pounced on Trump and blamed him for the riot. That's a big time reach.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 16, 2021 17:36:15 GMT -8
Most of the people you reference no longer work in the FBI, so, um....Nope. Pelosi didn't handpick the entire committee...at all. Do you really believe this stuff? The GOP nominated two of their own, who have both been since implicated in the actual plot. So, yeah, that's not feasible. And your Trump quote is hilarious. I can't tell if this is just bad attempts at trolling or you're seriously convinced of something that isn't there. But, Trump did ask people to protest and march peacefully. That is just a fact. He wanted their voices to be heard. Nothing wrong with that. It turned into riot, but Trump didn't ask for that. But, of course, once it turned out the way it did they pounced on Trump and blamed him for the riot. That's a big time reach. John. Stop it. You and I both know what the reality is here. No, it's not a reach. When you have advanced knowledge of the event and you're part of a coordinated effort to undermine democracy (which Trump did) and the National Guard was instructed by Trump's chief of staff to "protect Pro-Trump supporters"....you are in no way expecting a peaceful event. That should be obvious? It's treasonous behavior to deploy the National Guard in an SS-type fashion - This isn't Nazi Germany in the 1930's. When you have Fox News personalities texting Mark Meadows directly and begging him to get the president to send the insurrectionists home, that's not a reach at all. It happened. We know it happened. The president's OWN SON texted Meadows: "He's got to condemn this $#!+ ASAP. "The Capitol Police tweet is not enough." Then again, when you're staging a coup, you're not exactly worried about the backlash.
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Post by johneaztec on Dec 16, 2021 18:47:39 GMT -8
But, Trump did ask people to protest and march peacefully. That is just a fact. He wanted their voices to be heard. Nothing wrong with that. It turned into riot, but Trump didn't ask for that. But, of course, once it turned out the way it did they pounced on Trump and blamed him for the riot. That's a big time reach. John. Stop it. You and I both know what the reality is here. No, it's not a reach. When you have advanced knowledge of the event and you're part of a coordinated effort to undermine democracy (which Trump did) and the National Guard was instructed by Trump's chief of staff to "protect Pro-Trump supporters"....you are in no way expecting a peaceful event. That should be obvious? It's treasonous behavior to deploy the National Guard in an SS-type fashion - This isn't Nazi Germany in the 1930's. When you have Fox News personalities texting Mark Meadows directly and begging him to get the president to send the insurrectionists home, that's not a reach at all. It happened. We know it happened. The president's OWN SON texted Meadows: "He's got to condemn this $#!+ ASAP. "The Capitol Police tweet is not enough." Then again, when you're staging a coup, you're not exactly worried about the backlash. Ok. Now, the question that's out there is did Meadows deliver those texts to Trump? Don't know all the facts. I'm going to research FACTS more. The other thing that I don't understand is if Trump wanted that full scale riot, why say ANYTHING about being peaceful and patriotic about the March? I don't believe that he wanted a riot, and for someone to get hurt, but I do believe that his ego enjoyed what was happening until it got out of hand. So, I'm just saying that I don't think he wanted that riot, and I don't think he promoted it. I don't think he thought it would reach the heights it did. I know he loved seeing how many people were for him though and that stroked his ego.
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Post by uwphoto on Dec 16, 2021 19:28:02 GMT -8
John. Stop it. You and I both know what the reality is here. No, it's not a reach. When you have advanced knowledge of the event and you're part of a coordinated effort to undermine democracy (which Trump did) and the National Guard was instructed by Trump's chief of staff to "protect Pro-Trump supporters"....you are in no way expecting a peaceful event. That should be obvious? It's treasonous behavior to deploy the National Guard in an SS-type fashion - This isn't Nazi Germany in the 1930's. When you have Fox News personalities texting Mark Meadows directly and begging him to get the president to send the insurrectionists home, that's not a reach at all. It happened. We know it happened. The president's OWN SON texted Meadows: "He's got to condemn this $#!+ ASAP. "The Capitol Police tweet is not enough." Then again, when you're staging a coup, you're not exactly worried about the backlash. Ok. Now, the question that's out there is did Meadows deliver those texts to Trump? Don't know all the facts. I'm going to research FACTS more. The other thing that I don't understand is if Trump wanted that full scale riot, why say ANYTHING about being peaceful and patriotic about the March? I don't believe that he wanted a riot, and for someone to get hurt, but I do believe that his ego enjoyed what was happening until it got out of hand. So, I'm just saying that I don't think he wanted that riot, and I don't think he promoted it. I don't think he thought it would reach the heights it did. I know he loved seeing how many people were for him though and that stroked his ego. Hate to say it John..and you're a good guy, but you are basically saying you are ok with it.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 16, 2021 19:31:19 GMT -8
John. Stop it. You and I both know what the reality is here. No, it's not a reach. When you have advanced knowledge of the event and you're part of a coordinated effort to undermine democracy (which Trump did) and the National Guard was instructed by Trump's chief of staff to "protect Pro-Trump supporters"....you are in no way expecting a peaceful event. That should be obvious? It's treasonous behavior to deploy the National Guard in an SS-type fashion - This isn't Nazi Germany in the 1930's. When you have Fox News personalities texting Mark Meadows directly and begging him to get the president to send the insurrectionists home, that's not a reach at all. It happened. We know it happened. The president's OWN SON texted Meadows: "He's got to condemn this $#!+ ASAP. "The Capitol Police tweet is not enough." Then again, when you're staging a coup, you're not exactly worried about the backlash. Ok. Now, the question that's out there is did Meadows deliver those texts to Trump? Don't know all the facts. I'm going to research FACTS more. The other thing that I don't understand is if Trump wanted that full scale riot, why say ANYTHING about being peaceful and patriotic about the March? I don't believe that he wanted a riot, and for someone to get hurt, but I do believe that his ego enjoyed what was happening until it got out of hand. So, I'm just saying that I don't think he wanted that riot, and I don't think he promoted it. I don't think he thought it would reach the heights it did. I know he loved seeing how many people were for him though and that stroked his ego. You're once again getting caught up in the mundane and skipping what's important. Who cares whether Meadows delivered the texts or not? The fact is they were made. Whether they were followed or not is inconsequential to the events that happened. We know exactly what transpired that day, from the tracking of people on the ground to the photographic and video evidence that has been presented. Did you think a peaceful march outside the Capitol was going to delay the certification of the vote? Use some common sense here. That was the end goal of the president's mission.. Here's an important excerpt from the transcript of the speech: "All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they're doing. And stolen by the fake news media. That's what they've done and what they're doing. We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn't happen. You don't concede when there's theft involved. Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that's what this is all about. And to use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with: We will stop the steal. Today I will lay out just some of the evidence proving that we won this election and we won it by a landslide. This was not a close election." "We will not take it anymore." "We will stop the steal." Common sense here tells me that again, having knowledge of much of the president's base of support...this isn't a call for peaceful action. It's stoking flames of an already large fire to what was essentially a mob of angry, gullible Trumpers. Let us not forget the rally was the endgame of weeks and weeks of lies, stoking that base up with myths of voter fraud and stolen elections. So speaking of facts, here's what we know... Over a dozen GOP members of Congress have had their phone records and electronic records subpoenaed. These include Boebert, who gave the Capitol tour; Gosar, Brooks and Biggs, who planned the rally with Ali Alexander; Jim Jordan, who we know had dialogue with the president at least twice on January 6th, during the insurrection and before. Trump met with rally organizers January 4th in the White House private dining room. The National Guard was put in place to protect pro-Trump rioters. Meadows and Trump both lied, more than once, about the orders of the Guard on January 6th. (10,000 troops was the number Meadows threw out, which was completely unfounded and bogus, as the DoD confirmed later on) He knew what he was doing.
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