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Post by Gundo on Apr 9, 2021 9:47:17 GMT -8
Jon Rothstein at CBS poses and interesting question, on mid-majors recruiting fewer HS players? This year Dutch, said his focus is on the portal.
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Post by mySTRAS on Apr 9, 2021 11:07:32 GMT -8
It is a HUGE mistake to focus on transfers and not high school players.
True 'Programs' (excluding the elite blue-bloods) need 4 year players to build a sense of continuity from one year to the next.
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Post by jp92grad on Apr 9, 2021 12:59:00 GMT -8
It is a HUGE mistake to focus on transfers and not high school players. True 'Programs' (excluding the elite blue-bloods) need 4 year players to build a sense of continuity from one year to the next. This is going to be a 1-2 year blep on the map, in a year or two things will settle down with a random transfer here and there with some teams using more then others. Not saying there will be no transfers but the next year or two is not the norm.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 9, 2021 14:28:52 GMT -8
It is a HUGE mistake to focus on transfers and not high school players. True 'Programs' (excluding the elite blue-bloods) need 4 year players to build a sense of continuity from one year to the next. With the Recruiting Dead Period lasting the entire last year & running through May, Dutch talked about how it's significantly harder to get to know a kid & understand his character, more so on the floor than off (i.e. how he interacts with teammates, attitude on the bench, etc.). With the transfer portal you can seek out kids you've actually recruited in person in the past, while having their entire college resume w/ film & ability to chat with former college coaches who aren't "selling" the kid any more sense they're leaving their programs. It may return to the norm in a year or so, but there really isn't much difference from recruiting a HS kid vs. getting a college FR/SO transfer. They've already grown some at this level, know how things work so a shorter learning curve, and they could still be around for 1, 2 or even 3 more years. We're not just seeking grad transfers any more with the (expected) changed transfer rules. We can look for FR all the way to grad transfers. The other factor is we already have 3 rising SO's + 1 FR, so you don't need to compound that with more youth. I believe Dutch is going to be a coach that will always have 4 maybe 5 underclassmen max, and be a team that's typically older. I don't think we'll ever see a team like 2016 where 4 of our 8 rotation players were underclassmen.
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Post by fisherville on Apr 9, 2021 14:55:43 GMT -8
It is a HUGE mistake to focus on transfers and not high school players. True 'Programs' (excluding the elite blue-bloods) need 4 year players to build a sense of continuity from one year to the next. No it’s not. I’d say the opposite right now, the talent in the portal is way too good, proven, and deep to not focus on it. We need immediate contributors
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Post by mySTRAS on Apr 9, 2021 17:05:33 GMT -8
It is a HUGE mistake to focus on transfers and not high school players. True 'Programs' (excluding the elite blue-bloods) need 4 year players to build a sense of continuity from one year to the next. No it’s not. I’d say the opposite right now, the talent in the portal is way too good, proven, and deep to not focus on it. We need immediate contributors You made my point for me. Every year is a desperate search for immediate contributors when all you do is pick up players with 1 year of eligibility left. As a mid-major, all it takes is one year of missing out on a Josh Davis or Yanni Wetzell and your 'program' is shot.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 9, 2021 17:32:21 GMT -8
No it’s not. I’d say the opposite right now, the talent in the portal is way too good, proven, and deep to not focus on it. We need immediate contributors You made my point for me. Every year is a desperate search for immediate contributors when all you do is pick up players with 1 year of eligibility left. As a mid-major, all it takes is one year of missing out on a Josh Davis or Yanni Wetzell and your 'program' is shot. If there weren't 1300+ kids in the portal you'd have a point. But there are, and right now the transfer portal offers significantly more quality players than there are in HS. Especially when there's been little to no opportunity to see them in person. And you keep ignoring the fact most of the guys we're linked to have 2+ years of eligibility remaining, not 1.
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Post by standiego on Apr 10, 2021 8:16:15 GMT -8
In addition - the top 50 HS players that can make immediate important contributions usually are going to the P6 schools .
How many schools can wait for some of their players to develop into stars - Aztecs did have 2 this past year . But Fans want instant success for the program - win their conference T , get to MM and a decent run . Non P6 schools have a difficult time getting At large Bids to MM .
Players also want PT early , so when the new rule passes where they do not have to sit a year look for even more transfers if they are not getting the PT they think they deserve .
Not going to be easy for the coaches to put together a Winning roster . Especially for Non P6 coaches . The Non P6 coaches also realize how important the OOC schedule is - they have to Win early against quality teams so you need some experienced players that are ready to beat those schools .
Going to be a tough balancing act for the coaches . We had 3 talented freshmen last season . They still have 4 years that they can play but would guess they are going to want decent amount of PT This upcoming year .
Aztecs want guys that can play Their style of defense - something that can take a while to learn and not all players want to take the time to learn it and even the offense if it does not fit their style of play .
Bottom line you try to get the best players you can get HS guys , transfers , JC , other countries ( but we do not have the contacts other schools have ) that want to play for the Aztecs - Fortunately we have established program but it needs to stay that way to keep getting quality players or be a school that loses most of their players so guys are coming because they know they will get PT . I know most do not want to hear this but it is still difficult for the coaches to Sign the top HS And Top Transfer Players . Many of those guys still want the P6 schools. The coaching staff has to be able to see players they may need to be able to develop rather then be instant success . Has been difficult with many visits being virtual .
Do hope the Aztecs can land some quality players for this year and going forward . Not the easiest thing to do .
We also lost a golden opportunity the other year when we had a great team and did not get to play in MM - Getting a decent run in MM is so important for recruiting for Non P6 schools with the National Exposure that comes with it .
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 10, 2021 14:11:54 GMT -8
Do hope the Aztecs can land some quality players for this year and going forward . Not the easiest thing to do . You keep saying this over and over, but the more accurate question is when haven't we? Roster development hasn't been an issue with Dutch and SDSU. We get good talent every year.
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Post by Gundo on Apr 14, 2021 2:02:36 GMT -8
Dutch landed DJ, Trey, Josh & Bradley. So far kept the 20/21 squad in tact. Do you think Dutch is happy with this team, or searching for a wing and a post still? He has 11 scholarship guys, and could actually have 15 in total.
I think, there is one open spot left for a scorer. And the post depends on if DJ accepts a RS. But if I was Cade Alger I would be hitting up P90X and the weight room. He may be the post player, that we're looking for.
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Post by mc08066 on Apr 14, 2021 4:12:34 GMT -8
It seems like our hardest get year after year tends to be the big 4 and 5 position players. I think of BYU as an example of length at the 4 or 5 that continues to be a strength for them. How many kids do they have over 6’10” It’s got to be 5 or more plus another 7 footer out of high school we were also recruiting. It would seem like this should be the year where SDSU could get some higher rated or at least a couple of post players out of high school especially If more colleges are looking at the transfer market. SDSU could now have a team size of 15 with Trey and e TJ coming back so why not sign HS large bodies that might redshirt. After next year their will be major need at the 5 position for us.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Apr 14, 2021 6:26:28 GMT -8
I’d think that Fox is now our number 1 target and wouldn’t be surprised if Morsell from Maryland has moved up to number 2.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 14, 2021 7:00:20 GMT -8
It seems like our hardest get year after year tends to be the big 4 and 5 position players. I think of BYU as an example of length at the 4 or 5 that continues to be a strength for them. How many kids do they have over 6’10” It’s got to be 5 or more plus another 7 footer out of high school we were also recruiting. It would seem like this should be the year where SDSU could get some higher rated or at least a couple of post players out of high school especially If more colleges are looking at the transfer market. SDSU could now have a team size of 15 with Trey and e TJ coming back so why not sign HS large bodies that might redshirt. After next year their will be major need at the 5 position for us. We signed a big out of HS who will be developed this year (D Johnson). With the portal there are always bigs available, IF you can offer them PT. We'll have that to offer next year if we don't find another HS big.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 14, 2021 8:35:13 GMT -8
I’d think that Fox is now our number 1 target and wouldn’t be surprised if Morsell from Maryland has moved up to number 2. Morsell is out... Fox was just behind Gurley in preference...
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Post by hoobs on Apr 14, 2021 8:44:14 GMT -8
I’d think that Fox is now our number 1 target and wouldn’t be surprised if Morsell from Maryland has moved up to number 2. YES on Fox as a great #1 target. But I don't see the fit for Morsell at all. We need a SF/PF with a bit of an outside shot, not a SG/SF who is a great defender but can't shoot.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Apr 14, 2021 8:53:53 GMT -8
It will be very interesting to see how this plays out. I agree on the wing/SF, that can shoot. If KJ can take his shooting to a higher level that will go a long way in adding pressure to his opponents defensive strategy. JMO
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Post by KDub on Apr 14, 2021 9:55:25 GMT -8
Trying to recall past transfers that came to the Mesa after first being recruited hard by State out of high school yet elected to go elsewhere initially.
I’m sure there are some that I’m forgetting about, but it seems we miss permanently on those that rejected SDSU initially?
Anybody recall some such transfers?
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Post by johnnyutah on Apr 14, 2021 10:00:07 GMT -8
Trying to recall past transfers that came to the Mesa after first being recruited hard by State out of high school yet elected to go elsewhere initially. I’m sure there are some that I’m forgetting about, but it seems we miss permanently on those that rejected SDSU initially? Anybody recall some such transfers? JJ O'Brien and Xavier Thames I think we recruited out of high school. Sure there are others.
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Post by johnnyutah on Apr 14, 2021 10:09:56 GMT -8
I’d think that Fox is now our number 1 target and wouldn’t be surprised if Morsell from Maryland has moved up to number 2. It seems like Minnesota has to be the favorite with him being a Minnesota kid and a big Gopher fan. Recent article says he's planning on cutting to top 3-4 soon. link
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 14, 2021 10:44:55 GMT -8
Haven't seen T Groves mentioned in a while? He's still a top choice for me. Kid can flat out ball & has great range, even if he isn't a physical specimen like Fox.
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