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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 4:06:02 GMT -8
I think Rahon went to Santa Clara I'm pretty sure that's UCSC. You are incorrectomente. University of Santa Clara is a private Catholic University. UCSC would be UC Santa Cruz...
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Post by mc08066 on Apr 20, 2021 4:51:09 GMT -8
Even though DJ Johnson is coming in this year we are going to need a post player or two the following year with Mensah and Tomiac both graduating. I see DJ Johnson more of a PF so that would mean two post players. I am sure Dutch has a plan I just hope we are not asking the same question can he play the 5?
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Apr 20, 2021 5:17:32 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure that's UCSC. You are incorrectomente. University of Santa Clara is a private Catholic University. UCSC would be UC Santa Cruz... Thanks.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 20, 2021 6:37:02 GMT -8
Don't see him being a target for us though. I'm hoping to hear some news on Bryson Williams, or hopefully we're secretly a finalist for Tre Mitchell! I think you are right... but they could go 6’3” TP, 6’3” CJ, 6’5” MB, 6’7” KJ and 6’10” NM. It would be a little small, but a strong shooting team... Matt's 6'4, and yes his strength makes it possible he could guard 3s if not small 4s, but I just don't see CJ bringing anything we don't already have. Seiko can stretch the floor & defend at a much higher level, and all you're adding over Dinwiddie is 2 inches.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 20, 2021 6:44:54 GMT -8
The question in my mind is, are we looking at a wing (3) and a power forward (4) Here's a possible depth chart to chew one. Is Bradley play an SG or Wing position, is Keshad a 3 or a 4? Is Arop going to be healthy? Where are points coming from? Solid backcourt. Limited points coming in the front court, However Trey's pick and roll, pick and pop will add 4-6 points in the post. Point Guard Trey PulliamLamont Butler Adam Sieko Jared Barrett (WO) Off Guard Matt BradleyAdam Sieko Keith Dinwiddie The Broughton Twins (WO) WingMatt Bradley Keshad Johnson Che Evans Power ForwardKeshad JohnsonAguek Arop Josh Tomiac Cade Alger (WO) Post Nathan MensahJosh Tomiac Cade Alger (WO) DJ Johnson (RS?) Wing and/or a starting 4 is a definite need (i.e. a T Mitchell OR B Williams type), and given AG's health another 4/5 combo player would be a nice insurance policy. Dutch usually doesn't use that 13th scholarship, but given we could lose AG, Josh, Nate & possibly the new W/PF upfront after the year another developmental-type player who can play 5-6 minutes in a pinch might be a nice add. Bradley can play either the 2 or 3, and has even played some 4 at Cal, but that's not his forte. I see Nate & Keshad both increasing their production significantly. A starting line-up of Trey, Bradley, Keshad, Bryson Williams & Nate sure has a nice ring to it. Not a big time perimeter team - that'd come off the bench, but a team that can control the paint.
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Post by standiego on Apr 20, 2021 8:25:34 GMT -8
With the Covid rule could Nathan , AG , KJ and even Adam S get an additional season ?
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 20, 2021 9:17:42 GMT -8
With the Covid rule could Nathan , AG , KJ and even Adam S get an additional season ? Everybody gets an added year. Not all use them. KJ is just a Jr and don't think there's any chance he's here 5 years.
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Post by azteccc on Apr 20, 2021 18:44:29 GMT -8
The question in my mind is, are we looking at a wing (3) and a power forward (4) Here's a possible depth chart to chew one. Is Bradley play an SG or Wing position, is Keshad a 3 or a 4? Is Arop going to be healthy? Where are points coming from? Solid backcourt. Limited points coming in the front court, However Trey's pick and roll, pick and pop will add 4-6 points in the post. Point Guard Trey PulliamLamont Butler Adam Sieko Jared Barrett (WO) Off Guard Matt BradleyAdam Sieko Keith Dinwiddie The Broughton Twins (WO) WingMatt Bradley Keshad Johnson Che Evans Power ForwardKeshad JohnsonAguek Arop Josh Tomiac Cade Alger (WO) Post Nathan MensahJosh Tomiac Cade Alger (WO) DJ Johnson (RS?) I don’t know where or care where the minutes come from, but if Keith gets 3rd line SG minutes we’re f’ing up and I wouldn’t be surprised when he left the team, just wildly disappointed. Keshad averaged 13.5 mpg this year and less than that for Keith would be such a massive failure. Same could be said for Che to a lesser extent, since he hasn’t shown the same flash as KD in the limited minutes. But assuming health is 100%, there’s no way you can stick this kid in for 3 minutes of garbage time in a third of our games and expect him to accept that. Both have far too much potential to waste two years on the bench, full stop. I also don’t see Josh playing the 4 - did he play any minutes at the four this year? He was strictly a backup C for Nathan, which is where he should stay. Demarshay is classified as a Center across Rivals, 24/7, Verbal Commits, etc. All of which usually default to calling any tweeners a F. 6’9”-6’10” and 215 depending on source is pretty thin, but I think he’s our plan at the 5. I’m also intrigued by Alger’s long term prospects as a rotation guy. But regardless, I’m hoping for a 10 man rotation (and 11 man if we add another transfer) Trey 26 Lamont 20 Adam 18 Keith 15 Matt 29 Che 12 AG 20 Keshad 20 Mensah 25 Tomiac 15 I don’t know who we take 25+ minutes from if we get another high quality transfer in. Maybe 5 each from AG and Keshad and then just give up on Keith or Che development all together? That would strike me as a really terrible decision.
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Post by dunksalot on Apr 20, 2021 22:17:00 GMT -8
We need a post player. (And Mensah is not a "go to" post player.) Whether that is a PF like Wetzel or a strong SF like Mitchell or JJ O'Brien, we need someone who can own the block and score.
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Post by hoobs on Apr 21, 2021 4:38:08 GMT -8
I don’t know where or care where the minutes come from, but if Keith gets 3rd line SG minutes we’re f’ing up and I wouldn’t be surprised when he left the team, just wildly disappointed. Keshad averaged 13.5 mpg this year and less than that for Keith would be such a massive failure. Same could be said for Che to a lesser extent, since he hasn’t shown the same flash as KD in the limited minutes. But assuming health is 100%, there’s no way you can stick this kid in for 3 minutes of garbage time in a third of our games and expect him to accept that. Both have far too much potential to waste two years on the bench, full stop. I also don’t see Josh playing the 4 - did he play any minutes at the four this year? He was strictly a backup C for Nathan, which is where he should stay. Demarshay is classified as a Center across Rivals, 24/7, Verbal Commits, etc. All of which usually default to calling any tweeners a F. 6’9”-6’10” and 215 depending on source is pretty thin, but I think he’s our plan at the 5. I’m also intrigued by Alger’s long term prospects as a rotation guy. But regardless, I’m hoping for a 10 man rotation (and 11 man if we add another transfer) Trey 26 Lamont 20 Adam 18 Keith 15 Matt 29 Che 12 AG 20 Keshad 20 Mensah 25 Tomiac 15 I don’t know who we take 25+ minutes from if we get another high quality transfer in. Maybe 5 each from AG and Keshad and then just give up on Keith or Che development all together? That would strike me as a really terrible decision. If another transfer comes in and earns playing time... good. This roster still needs a few things -- like depth, outside shooting, and rebounding at the 3/4. Pulliam & Butler will split 40-45 minutes as they don't really fit together as guards on the floor at the same time, IMO. The exception would be if we're playing a team that aggressively defends full-court and we need extra ball-handlers to break the press. One of the two will earn more minutes than the other. Bradley gets 20 mins at SG and 10 mins at SF. Dinwiddie and Seiko split the other 15-20 mins at SG; one of the two will earn more minutes than the other. Mensah & Tomiac will split the 40 mins at Center. Again... one of the two will earn more minutes than the other. That leaves 70 mins between SF & PF. Johnson, Arop, and Evans all have different size question marks. Johnson probably the fewest/smallest question marks and I'm guessing will start at either SF or PF, getting 25-30 mins. Arop... what's his health going to be like? Some games, unavailable... others, available -- how will that affect the quality of his play and ability to log significant minutes? Evans we know has a ton of talent, but will it all come together? At the peak of their potential, both guys could earn 25-30 minutes. At the other end of the spectrum, if Arop has health issues and Evans still hasn't totally shaken off the rust, combined they're good for maybe 10 mins... and especially with Arop's vertigo issues that's a huge question mark. I don't think we can rely on Arop & Evans offering 35-40 combined minutes every game. So if we bring in a SF/PF who "takes away" minutes from a couple backup SGs (by shifting Bradley's minutes to all/mostly SG and not SF) &/or backup wings... good. We'll be a better and deeper team. And if 1 or 2 guys then feel the need to transfer out, their spots will be taken by more talented players coming in to replace them.
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Post by fisherville on Apr 21, 2021 10:35:42 GMT -8
I would easily take CJ but I don’t see the tie he has to SDSU ? CJ is a Schakel level shooter, he’s not just a good shooter, he’s a offensive difference maker.
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Post by fisherville on Apr 21, 2021 10:37:03 GMT -8
Also why are people worried about recruiting over guys? What has Dinwiddie/Che proven that means they can’t be overtaken? If they leave so be it, it’s a talent game and we need more of it.
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Post by standiego on Apr 21, 2021 11:06:59 GMT -8
Would guess the coaching staff has some expectations on the PT they are expecting to see for Che , KD and even KJ this season
Also heard Zeigler comment yesterday on the radio that Dutcher and the staff really value a player's character in addition to their skills on the court -
Today in UT - there was also a note that the staff was waiting to hear if transfers that have already have a transfer are wondering if they will be allowed a second with out sitting a year ?
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 21, 2021 12:27:02 GMT -8
Also why are people worried about recruiting over guys? What has Dinwiddie/Che proven that means they can’t be overtaken? If they leave so be it, it’s a talent game and we need more of it. Agree you're always trying to upgrade. Players want to win more than anything else, and more talent = winning. The only downside is adding a 1-year rental vs. having someone for 3+ more years, although the latter is never guaranteed. IMO neither of those guys will leave if they see opportunities, and there are definitely opportunities for both given our current roster. Don't see that changing much, if at all, even with the addition of a W/PF.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 21, 2021 12:29:02 GMT -8
Anybody have any guesses as to who Dutch was referring to in his interview when talking about them telling a recruit who's "already transferred" they'd gladly take him, even if he's forced to RS (due to new rule)?
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Post by azteccc on Apr 21, 2021 12:34:23 GMT -8
Also why are people worried about recruiting over guys? What has Dinwiddie/Che proven that means they can’t be overtaken? If they leave so be it, it’s a talent game and we need more of it. Neither have gotten a chance to prove anything. Well, besides Keith who came in to the Syracuse game dead cold and starting making bombs when no one else could all game, just like he did every time he touched the floor this year. So it wouldn’t really be recruiting over, it’d be never giving two recruits a shot. If we find a guy with multiple years left that has proven himself against better competition than the MW and would be an immediate starter for a team coming off 55-7 the last two years and isn’t going pro, YES let’s get him. There are a total of like 6 of those a year, and we already got one of them.
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Post by Frantic on Apr 21, 2021 17:25:04 GMT -8
Also why are people worried about recruiting over guys? What has Dinwiddie/Che proven that means they can’t be overtaken? If they leave so be it, it’s a talent game and we need more of it. Neither have gotten a chance to prove anything. Well, besides Keith who came in to the Syracuse game dead cold and starting making bombs when no one else could all game, just like he did every time he touched the floor this year. So it wouldn’t really be recruiting over, it’d be never giving two recruits a shot. If we find a guy with multiple years left that has proven himself against better competition than the MW and would be an immediate starter for a team coming off 55-7 the last two years and isn’t going pro, YES let’s get him. There are a total of like 6 of those a year, and we already got one of them. At this point it appears Dinwiddie has a solid shot at minutes next year. It seems he is a few inches short for a top-level SG, but maybe he's grown, and by all accounts he can shoot lights out.
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Post by docmm on Apr 22, 2021 9:42:46 GMT -8
Also why are people worried about recruiting over guys? What has Dinwiddie/Che proven that means they can’t be overtaken? If they leave so be it, it’s a talent game and we need more of it. Neither have gotten a chance to prove anything. Well, besides Keith who came in to the Syracuse game dead cold and starting making bombs when no one else could all game, just like he did every time he touched the floor this year. So it wouldn’t really be recruiting over, it’d be never giving two recruits a shot. If we find a guy with multiple years left that has proven himself against better competition than the MW and would be an immediate starter for a team coming off 55-7 the last two years and isn’t going pro, YES let’s get him. There are a total of like 6 of those a year, and we already got one of them. Dinwiddie was 1-1 with a 3 in the Syracuse game. Never understood why he wasn't in earlier with that big deficit.
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Post by Gundo on Apr 22, 2021 17:01:26 GMT -8
If you have 20 minutes, Coach Dutch provided this interview and update on the Aztecs recruiting and transfer portal activities. Pretty interesting to listen to the work the staff is doing to vet players vs other schools. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEr6zcO1tIo
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 23, 2021 13:33:37 GMT -8
Neither have gotten a chance to prove anything. Well, besides Keith who came in to the Syracuse game dead cold and starting making bombs when no one else could all game, just like he did every time he touched the floor this year. So it wouldn’t really be recruiting over, it’d be never giving two recruits a shot. If we find a guy with multiple years left that has proven himself against better competition than the MW and would be an immediate starter for a team coming off 55-7 the last two years and isn’t going pro, YES let’s get him. There are a total of like 6 of those a year, and we already got one of them. Dinwiddie was 1-1 with a 3 in the Syracuse game. Never understood why he wasn't in earlier with that big deficit. Doesn't do you a lot of good if for every 3 he scores Syracuse is getting an open look against him as well. His time will come.
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