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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 14, 2020 9:21:40 GMT -8
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 24, 2020 12:38:04 GMT -8
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Post by DeeMoney on Jul 24, 2020 15:03:55 GMT -8
Here is the thing, would you agree a teacher could be censured for posting pro-Hitler and NAZI propaganda? Or posting how their political beliefs align with the KKK? I think most people would say that they probably could be reprimanded for such things, possibly even fired. Now, accept that BOTH sides (Republicans & Democrats) demonizes the other to such an extent that they paint the other as being on the level of the NAZIs, KKK, or whichever other horrible group you can imagine. There are no subtleties or nuances, there is a false dichotomy where you are with us 100% in all we believe, or you are horribly wrong to the extent that you are a villain on par with those listed above. This way each side can fight against compromise, which gives your opponent any credit for being even partially correct. One only need to scroll through this message board to see it as so. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 24, 2020 15:58:51 GMT -8
Here is the thing, would you agree a teacher could be censured for posting pro-Hitler and NAZI propaganda? Or posting how their political beliefs align with the KKK? I think most people would say that they probably could be reprimanded for such things, possibly even fired. Now, accept that BOTH sides (Republicans & Democrats) demonizes the other to such an extent that they paint the other as being on the level of the NAZIs, KKK, or whichever other horrible group you can imagine. There are no subtleties or nuances, there is a false dichotomy where you are with us 100% in all we believe, or you are horribly wrong to the extent that you are a villain on par with those listed above. This way each side can fight against compromise, which gives your opponent any credit for being even partially correct. One only need to scroll through this message board to see it as so. Making statements about being Pro-life, for Donald Trump, for Democrat Socialism, against Capital punishment, being pro choice, pro cop, pro 2nd Ammendment rights are generally innocuous and ideas that can reasonably be held by anyone. Ideas like these do not harm a soul. If you recall, the American left had gone so far as to drudge up the 1950s and make a movie on tail gunner Joe as they lamented "black listing" as some virtue signal about their belief in freedoms of speech and association. Now look at them. And spare me if you think that Democrat teachers didn't support Obama in their social media feeds. Did anyone ever get fired for that? |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 28, 2020 19:51:50 GMT -8
 I would expect that the true believers in here could care less about what sort of censorship falls upon conservative political websites, but are the other reasonable ones at all concerned about the obvious restrictions being implemented by Google to purposefully limit exposure to articles placed on Conservative Websites? The graphic shows how Google is limiting exposure, over time, to Breitbart hosted articles. The same is probably happening to other conservative web sites but I don't have that data - yet. 47 U.S. Code 230 provides a number of protections to "neutral" ISP and similar internet services (like Google) but what if they are no longer neutral? I know its hard to get "liberals" to be liberal for freedom of thought and expression for conservatives but consider the lesson of Martin Niemöller's "First They Came" poem. I know leftists often think themselves as the victim, but left biased Google clearly has the power in this situation. So what it is? Do you think "It is about time those Aholes got dropped off the internet and we, the virtuous, say "$crew them"" or are you concerned? |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jul 29, 2020 5:29:27 GMT -8
I know its hard to get "liberals" to be liberal for freedom of thought and expression for conservatives but consider the lesson of Martin Niemöller's "First They Came" poem. Some smart liberals are seeing what is happening. The Harper’s letter on justice and open debate signed by 170 well known liberals demonstrate the concern by those liberals whose eyes are open, but the overwhelming majority are like the proverbial frogs in the pot slowly being heated to a boil. The combination of Cancel Culture and Unbalanced Censorship is driving the Overton Window away from Liberals, away from Conservatives, and toward Progressive ideology. It isn’t just “The Left” getting stronger, it is the Progressive Left. Why more Liberals aren’t horrified is something I don’t understand. It is as if TDS has made them totally blind because the Progressives aren’t hiding the ball here.  |
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 29, 2020 13:51:52 GMT -8
I know its hard to get "liberals" to be liberal for freedom of thought and expression for conservatives but consider the lesson of Martin Niemöller's "First They Came" poem. Some smart liberals are seeing what is happening. The Harper’s letter on justice and open debate signed by 170 well known liberals demonstrate the concern by those liberals whose eyes are open, but the overwhelming majority are like the proverbial frogs in the pot slowly being heated to a boil. The combination of Cancel Culture and Unbalanced Censorship is driving the Overton Window away from Liberals, away from Conservatives, and toward Progressive ideology. It isn’t just “The Left” getting stronger, it is the Progressive Left. Why more Liberals aren’t horrified is something I don’t understand. It is as if TDS has made them totally blind because the Progressives aren’t hiding the ball here. "Freedom of thought" for conservatives. Like pushing unproven medical treatments? When the orange buffoon is pushing Hydroxychloroquine to the general public? Brazil has had great results pushing it🤧⚰⚰ and how about the craziest conspiracy theories in our history? Trump has tried to legitimize Alex Jones, QAnon among others. The dumbing down of America is staggering. Other countries look at us like we've gone off the deep end,and you guys try to somehow legitimize a nut case. The Morton Downey junior who mated with Alfred E. Neumann needs to go down if this country wants to even stand a chance of survival. I seriously woulda bailed and watched from afar in the past, but I'm stuck here with grandkids and can't bail anymore. Their future looks bleak. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 29, 2020 17:33:56 GMT -8
Some smart liberals are seeing what is happening. The Harper’s letter on justice and open debate signed by 170 well known liberals demonstrate the concern by those liberals whose eyes are open, but the overwhelming majority are like the proverbial frogs in the pot slowly being heated to a boil. The combination of Cancel Culture and Unbalanced Censorship is driving the Overton Window away from Liberals, away from Conservatives, and toward Progressive ideology. It isn’t just “The Left” getting stronger, it is the Progressive Left. Why more Liberals aren’t horrified is something I don’t understand. It is as if TDS has made them totally blind because the Progressives aren’t hiding the ball here. "Freedom of thought" for conservatives. Like pushing unproven medical treatments? When the orange buffoon is pushing Hydroxychloroquine to the general public? Brazil has had great results pushing it🤧⚰⚰ and how about the craziest conspiracy theories in our history? Trump has tried to legitimize Alex Jones, QAnon among others. The dumbing down of America is staggering. Other countries look at us like we've gone off the deep end,and you guys try to somehow legitimize a nut case. The Morton Downey junior who mated with Alfred E. Neumann needs to go down if this country wants to even stand a chance of survival. I seriously woulda bailed and watched from afar in the past, but I'm stuck here with grandkids and can't bail anymore. Their future looks bleak. We now have people who enact Federal law advocating that our citizens break those Federal laws simply because they don't like the guy responsible for enforcing those Federal laws. Absolute leftist lunatic logic and glassy-eyed true believers lap up that pablum on cue. And since that idiocy will continue should Trump win in November or that idiocy will have even more power should Biden win in November, I agree with you that our future looks bleak. |
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Post by DeeMoney on Jul 30, 2020 8:11:28 GMT -8
Some smart liberals are seeing what is happening. The Harper’s letter on justice and open debate signed by 170 well known liberals demonstrate the concern by those liberals whose eyes are open, but the overwhelming majority are like the proverbial frogs in the pot slowly being heated to a boil. The combination of Cancel Culture and Unbalanced Censorship is driving the Overton Window away from Liberals, away from Conservatives, and toward Progressive ideology. It isn’t just “The Left” getting stronger, it is the Progressive Left. Why more Liberals aren’t horrified is something I don’t understand. It is as if TDS has made them totally blind because the Progressives aren’t hiding the ball here. "Freedom of thought" for conservatives. Like pushing unproven medical treatments? When the orange buffoon is pushing Hydroxychloroquine to the general public? Brazil has had great results pushing it🤧⚰⚰ and how about the craziest conspiracy theories in our history? Trump has tried to legitimize Alex Jones, QAnon among others. The dumbing down of America is staggering. Other countries look at us like we've gone off the deep end,and you guys try to somehow legitimize a nut case. The Morton Downey junior who mated with Alfred E. Neumann needs to go down if this country wants to even stand a chance of survival. I seriously woulda bailed and watched from afar in the past, but I'm stuck here with grandkids and can't bail anymore. Their future looks bleak. You are right, there is a lot of stupidity that gets pushed and put out there; but thats part of what comes with the freedoms that so many of us love. No matter how ridiculous, offensive, or wrong something is you have the right to say and express it. Now this isn't true in many countries, which limit your speech if it is deemed too offensive, which most of us are fine with because we don't support racism, sexism, etc. However, I find concerning because what happens when they change their POV and make what my views are offensive (one could easily see the Biblical viewpoint as being offensive). Its akin to what I told people when the Patriot Act passed, many I knew were fine with the govt. infringing on their privacy because as they argued, 'werent doing anything wrong.' Which is fine at the time, but what happens when the govt changes what they view as wrong and are now aimed at you? So what does this have to do with thought policing? The issue is what information we allow to get out to the public. You mentioned the 'White Coat Summit'- which Trump pushed and has basically been scrubbed from all social media platforms and had their website pulled by their internet provider for being deemed fake news. Which is fine and legal, because these are private entities which are allowed to run their business as they see fit. However, I feel should be called out, and pressure should be put upon them not to do so- even if the information being put on their is deemed to be fake news. Because I support the free exchange of ideas and thought (even dumb ideas) as an extension of the 1st amendment, and recognize that social media has become the public town square of the day (especially with how things are now). What is additionally bothersome is how so many sites will allow some blatantly 'fake news' to get through, yet silence others. I am certain I could search youtube, twitter, and probably facebook, and find posts supporting an antivax movement, that an alien attack on our planet is eminent, that the earth is flat, that demons will attack us, heck that Tupac faked his own death. And I bet if I bought into it all I could end up doing something harmful to myself or others. Yet, it is allowed to be up there. As I wrote earlier, as a private company, it is their prerogative. But it troubles me how much those who control the media, and essentially what we know, censor out. I'd hope they would more allow fore freedom, and trust us to decipher what is true and what is not. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jul 30, 2020 9:01:35 GMT -8
"Freedom of thought" for conservatives. Like pushing unproven medical treatments? When the orange buffoon is pushing Hydroxychloroquine to the general public? Brazil has had great results pushing it🤧⚰⚰ and how about the craziest conspiracy theories in our history? Trump has tried to legitimize Alex Jones, QAnon among others. The dumbing down of America is staggering. Other countries look at us like we've gone off the deep end,and you guys try to somehow legitimize a nut case. The Morton Downey junior who mated with Alfred E. Neumann needs to go down if this country wants to even stand a chance of survival. I seriously woulda bailed and watched from afar in the past, but I'm stuck here with grandkids and can't bail anymore. Their future looks bleak. You are right, there is a lot of stupidity that gets pushed and put out there; but thats part of what comes with the freedoms that so many of us love. No matter how ridiculous, offensive, or wrong something is you have the right to say and express it. Now this isn't true in many countries, which limit your speech if it is deemed too offensive, which most of us are fine with because we don't support racism, sexism, etc. However, I find concerning because what happens when they change their POV and make what my views are offensive (one could easily see the Biblical viewpoint as being offensive). Its akin to what I told people when the Patriot Act passed, many I knew were fine with the govt. infringing on their privacy because as they argued, 'werent doing anything wrong.' Which is fine at the time, but what happens when the govt changes what they view as wrong and are now aimed at you? So what does this have to do with thought policing? The issue is what information we allow to get out to the public. You mentioned the 'White Coat Summit'- which Trump pushed and has basically been scrubbed from all social media platforms and had their website pulled by their internet provider for being deemed fake news. Which is fine and legal, because these are private entities which are allowed to run their business as they see fit. However, I feel should be called out, and pressure should be put upon them not to do so- even if the information being put on their is deemed to be fake news. Because I support the free exchange of ideas and thought (even dumb ideas) as an extension of the 1st amendment, and recognize that social media has become the public town square of the day (especially with how things are now). What is additionally bothersome is how so many sites will allow some blatantly 'fake news' to get through, yet silence others. I am certain I could search youtube, twitter, and probably facebook, and find posts supporting an antivax movement, that an alien attack on our planet is eminent, that the earth is flat, that demons will attack us, heck that Tupac faked his own death. And I bet if I bought into it all I could end up doing something harmful to myself or others. Yet, it is allowed to be up there. As I wrote earlier, as a private company, it is their prerogative. But it troubles me how much those who control the media, and essentially what we know, censor out. I'd hope they would more allow fore freedom, and trust us to decipher what is true and what is not. Well said but it isn’t just social media being comprised of private companies facilitating this behavior. It is a combination of being a private company in addition to Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (CDA 230). If not for that piece of legislation those private companies would have long ago been sued out of existence. Because of the protections provided by CDA 230, almost all major social media companies are USA based. We gave up control of the Overton Window in exchange for high-paying jobs, technical innovation, and a crap ton of money. America sold its collective soul even if we did get a pretty good price for it. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 1, 2020 14:29:35 GMT -8
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Post by DeeMoney on Aug 2, 2020 6:41:27 GMT -8
Its unfair to judge a whole political party or movement by its extreme and most ‘out-there, members- which AOC is. Especially when you consider that there IS a large statue of Queen Liliuokalanil right near the capital building. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 2, 2020 11:12:48 GMT -8
Its unfair to judge a whole political party or movement by its extreme and most ‘out-there, members- which AOC is. Especially when you consider that there IS a large statue of Queen Liliuokalanil right near the capital building. I've heard that sentiment before but it is quickly thrown to the curb when considering the Police (especially now), NRA/gun owners, etc. Bet the MSM never ever asks Joe if he agrees that the statue of Fr. Damien represents "white supremacy" or is AOC wrong? By the way, AOC is not just supported by "fringies" (homage to Larry Vincent). She is out fund raising the whales of her party. nypost.com/2019/11/26/aoc-raised-most-money-among-house-dems-during-reelection-campaign/ |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 13, 2020 13:32:41 GMT -8
I received a FB post from a FB Friend and it was a political meme. The meme took a shot a Kamala by way of SNL's Farley. As all memes go, it is part true, part comedic and part hyperbolic. The FB "fact-checkers" saw their way to put a warning message over the meme indicating that it was false or misleading. The post was from my friend (where we had previously exchanged consent to communicate via FB) and the meme was sent to his selected friends, not all over the internet. I didn't seek FB's interaction in our exchanges, yet they did jump in and make comment on what was a joke, effectively.
While I know that there is absolutely nothing funny about clueless leftists, I wonder if the true believers in here are "all-in" for the digital Fahrenheit 451 crap that goes on in FB and Twitter, etc., and seemingly do so for only one political persuasion? Is it "the ends justify the means" and OK if it is for "my" good cause? Or does FB really think that some of our fellow humans are just too stupid to live and should be protected from such political humor, lest they believe it to be absolutely 100% true?
I had relatives that onced lived in Iraq where your home had to have a picture of Saddam prominently displayed (or face the consequences). Christians in China are being warned to take down pictures of Jesus and put up pictures of Xi Jinping or lose certain benefits (https://www.newsweek.com/china-christians-jesus-x-jinping-social-services-welfare-711090).
So what is the harm of a picture or a little FB warning one may ask? In one case, the enforcers are in the Government with little to no recourse for the violator but in the other case, the enforcers are from FB and Twitter and the products are used voluntarily without coercion.
I'll use a turn of phrase that Obama once used when he said "any distinction between good and bad whites held negligible meaning.” I'll say any distinction between private and Government totalitarians held negligible meaning.
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 25, 2020 15:44:12 GMT -8
How nice. There is nothing like a sidewalk "struggle session" on a lazy day in our nation's capital. I'm sure the raised clinched fists don't represent Communism. That just must be an unfortunate coincidence.
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Post by ptsdthor on Oct 6, 2020 16:38:42 GMT -8
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 6, 2020 21:29:13 GMT -8
This seems very much like the "re-education" camps that many thousands of South Vietnamese were subjected to after the North took over the whole country. AzWm |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 6, 2020 22:05:53 GMT -8
How nice. There is nothing like a sidewalk "struggle session" on a lazy day in our nation's capital. I'm sure the raised clinched fists don't represent Communism. That just must be an unfortunate coincidence. My family and I went out to dinner at the Cheesecake Factory at the Carlsbad Mall and at the time there was only outside seating, and where you sat you were looking into the open mall. A bunch of BLM protesters came from the outside, and into the Mall chanting I can't breathe and repeating everything George Floyd had said during his struggle. Some sat, and some stood right next to restaurant tables screaming, no justice, no peace and giving everyone the evil eye and wanting to fight. It was unbelievable ridiculous. They were very aggressive and childish. Very immature people where most of them seemed to not know what they were chanting, but simply felt as though they belonged to something now. Someone came up to some of them with facts that contradicted what they were chanting, and they had no answer for it except anger. Horrible. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Oct 10, 2020 18:47:44 GMT -8
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Post by ptsdthor on Oct 14, 2020 5:29:07 GMT -8
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