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Post by SuperAztec on Feb 26, 2020 9:07:04 GMT -8
Good Morning
I'm looking for a little help...I love Aztec BB and watch all the games but I never played and don't understand all the X and O's.
I get that our shots just weren't falling against UNLV and to some extent last night too but did either team do anything different to defend us making things more difficult?
Our D also did not seem as stout but UNLV only scored 66 and CUS only 60. That's not a lot more than the 57 we give up on avg. so overall it didn't seem like a bad effort. In my mind they steal at the end of the half and when UNLV hit a three with like 1 on the shot clock in te 2nd half made all the difference. Last night CSU hit a similar buzzer beater with no time late in the 2nd half too. It happens -but I like out chances when we force teams to take bad shots with no time.
So, did UNLV and CSU lay down some kind of blueprint on how to better defend us, or we're we just a bit "off" on offense.
Thanks
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Post by 84aztec96 on Feb 26, 2020 9:30:14 GMT -8
Good question.
One thing they are doing is helping baseline when Yanni gets the ball in the post. Post defender slightly over plays middle and help defender takes away baseline.
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Post by couldashoulda on Feb 26, 2020 9:47:17 GMT -8
Good Morning I'm looking for a little help...I love Aztec BB and watch all the games but I never played and don't understand all the X and O's. I get that our shots just weren't falling against UNLV and to some extent last night too but did either team do anything different to defend us making things more difficult? Our D also did not seem as stout but UNLV only scored 66 and CUS only 60. That's not a lot more than the 57 we give up on avg. so overall it didn't seem like a bad effort. In my mind they steal at the end of the half and when UNLV hit a three with like 1 on the shot clock in te 2nd half made all the difference. Last night CSU hit a similar buzzer beater with no time late in the 2nd half too. It happens -but I like out chances when we force teams to take bad shots with no time. So, did UNLV and CSU lay down some kind of blueprint on how to better defend us, or we're we just a bit "off" on offense.Thanks Yes...when you see teams in conference for the 2nd time they are going to be better prepared. And, to my eyes, we are definitely a bit off on offense. BB, more than probably just about any other sport, is a game of streaks. Players get a hot hand, or teams get several hot hands, and can go on a 13-0 run within a game, or on a 26 game streak. I am not saying that we were playing over our heads for 26 games, but a lot of factors are in play. In another thread it is discussed that legs are looking a bit fatigued, especially Yanni. Yanni is basically playing out of position, and at more minutes than he would have had Nathan been healthy all season. Since Matt has been inserted into the starting lineup to basically take Nathan's spot, our bench has not been nearly productive. The injury and extended time off for Aguek has also been a depth factor. But, it's not unusual for teams in conference to kind of catch up to teams like the Aztecs at the end of the conference schedule. Going forward, I am in the camp that likes the extended time off between the MWC tourney and the NCAA tourney. It will give a few of our guys who have played big minutes a chance to recharge their legs, and perhaps get Nathan back in the rotation. |
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Post by twobits on Feb 26, 2020 9:59:47 GMT -8
It appeared to me that both teams were playing us tighter and not fearing our guys to penetrate against their D. Also, when Yanni gets the ball, he usually decides if he's going to try and shoot or pass if the D doubles him or not. I thought CSU would purposely wait a couple of seconds before doubling him, which would interrupt his decision making mid-process and create problems for him.
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Post by missiontrails on Feb 26, 2020 10:14:53 GMT -8
It appeared to me that both teams were playing us tighter and not fearing our guys to penetrate against their D. Also, when Yanni gets the ball, he usually decides if he's going to try and shoot or pass if the D doubles him or not. I thought CSU would purposely wait a couple of seconds before doubling him, which would interrupt his decision making mid-process and create problems for him. Yep, in basketball you have to expect the unexpected. The teams that can adjust for this, in-game, will be the most successful. That's why experience and coaching is so important late in the season. We seem to be well-supplied in both of those areas this season. |
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Post by SuperAztec on Feb 26, 2020 11:43:13 GMT -8
Thanks - very helpful.
All makes sense
I saw the thread about fatigue and that makes sense as well.
I think when they are the underdogs in MM and no one believes in them, that is when they will rise up.
They have a chance to do something very special and they all know it. Once in a lifetime kind of thing. We should all be so lucky to get that chance.
Go Aztecs!
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Feb 26, 2020 12:16:29 GMT -8
It appeared to me that both teams were playing us tighter and not fearing our guys to penetrate against their D. Also, when Yanni gets the ball, he usually decides if he's going to try and shoot or pass if the D doubles him or not. I thought CSU would purposely wait a couple of seconds before doubling him, which would interrupt his decision making mid-process and create problems for him. Interesting observation. |
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Post by aztech on Feb 26, 2020 12:31:48 GMT -8
I'd like to see CSU and UNLV matched up in the tourney. That would be an interesting game.
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Post by tonatiuh on Feb 26, 2020 12:40:19 GMT -8
Good Morning I'm looking for a little help...I love Aztec BB and watch all the games but I never played and don't understand all the X and O's. I get that our shots just weren't falling against UNLV and to some extent last night too but did either team do anything different to defend us making things more difficult? Our D also did not seem as stout but UNLV only scored 66 and CUS only 60. That's not a lot more than the 57 we give up on avg. so overall it didn't seem like a bad effort. In my mind they steal at the end of the half and when UNLV hit a three with like 1 on the shot clock in te 2nd half made all the difference. Last night CSU hit a similar buzzer beater with no time late in the 2nd half too. It happens -but I like out chances when we force teams to take bad shots with no time. So, did UNLV and CSU lay down some kind of blueprint on how to better defend us, or we're we just a bit "off" on offense. Thanks Like I said in another thread after the UNLV loss. Other conference foes have probably run the tape/disc (whatever) of the UNLV game over and over to the point of wearing it out just to get the details down on how to play and beat the Aztec team. And, if they are smart will be using the same system when they play us (possibly in the MW Tournament), or in the case of Nevada in the upcoming final game in Reno Saturday. |
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Feb 26, 2020 12:51:15 GMT -8
Good Morning I'm looking for a little help...I love Aztec BB and watch all the games but I never played and don't understand all the X and O's. I get that our shots just weren't falling against UNLV and to some extent last night too but did either team do anything different to defend us making things more difficult? Our D also did not seem as stout but UNLV only scored 66 and CUS only 60. That's not a lot more than the 57 we give up on avg. so overall it didn't seem like a bad effort. In my mind they steal at the end of the half and when UNLV hit a three with like 1 on the shot clock in te 2nd half made all the difference. Last night CSU hit a similar buzzer beater with no time late in the 2nd half too. It happens -but I like out chances when we force teams to take bad shots with no time. So, did UNLV and CSU lay down some kind of blueprint on how to better defend us, or we're we just a bit "off" on offense. Thanks Like I said in another thread after the UNLV loss. Other conference foes have probably run the tape/disc (whatever) of the UNLV game over and over to the point of wearing it out just to get the details down on how to play and beat the Aztec team. And, if they are smart will be using the same system when they play us (possibly in the MW Tournament), or in the case of Nevada in the upcoming final game in Reno Saturday. So, of course, the assumption being made here is that Dutcher & staff don't know this, and won't be making compensating adjustments to counter the adjustments made by our opponents...   |
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Post by docmm on Feb 26, 2020 12:51:19 GMT -8
In both games it was apparent that the defenses caught up a bit to us but I still think it was more about us missing shots. Sure, their defense had something to do with that but in both games we missed a lot of lay ups that we ordinarily don't. And although some of our 3's were contested, many of them weren't, we just missed them. Throw in the half-dozen misses at the FT line against UNLV and you have two tough games.
What I have noticed is that during the last two tight and stressed games, the Aztecs have made more bad decisions than usual. Last night Mitchell tried a one-on-three drive that was almost typical last year but highly infrequent this year. We ran fast breaks terribly last night: either giving up charges, missing with bad shots or turning the ball over. But that's what happens when you're tired and/or nervous and trying to win the game by yourself.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Feb 26, 2020 13:20:24 GMT -8
Good Morning I'm looking for a little help...I love Aztec BB and watch all the games but I never played and don't understand all the X and O's. I get that our shots just weren't falling against UNLV and to some extent last night too but did either team do anything different to defend us making things more difficult? Our D also did not seem as stout but UNLV only scored 66 and CUS only 60. That's not a lot more than the 57 we give up on avg. so overall it didn't seem like a bad effort. In my mind they steal at the end of the half and when UNLV hit a three with like 1 on the shot clock in te 2nd half made all the difference. Last night CSU hit a similar buzzer beater with no time late in the 2nd half too. It happens -but I like out chances when we force teams to take bad shots with no time. So, did UNLV and CSU lay down some kind of blueprint on how to better defend us, or we're we just a bit "off" on offense. Thanks Like I said in another thread after the UNLV loss. Other conference foes have probably run the tape/disc (whatever) of the UNLV game over and over to the point of wearing it out just to get the details down on how to play and beat the Aztec team. And, if they are smart will be using the same system when they play us (possibly in the MW Tournament), or in the case of Nevada in the upcoming final game in Reno Saturday. Maybe... If we shoot like we did against CSU, which was still way below our season average, we beat UNLV by four to six points... There is no magic bullet to stop the Aztecs... |
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Post by KickAztec on Feb 26, 2020 15:19:11 GMT -8
Something I noticed in the UNLV game. They pushed their man defense way up higher on us and made us run our weave and screen offense further away from the basket. So when we rubbed off the screen, our guards were left with a choice of passing off, taking a really long three, or trying to dribble to get an open shot. As a result it seems we've been left with longer and more contested shots than in the past which may in part account for the lower shooting %.
Also, for some reason in these last two games we haven't been driving to the rim as much as before. I always thought this offense operated best when driving to the basket and either scoring or kicking it out to a waiting 3-ball shooter. That's one reason why I think Pulliam should get more time. He and Flynn are the best we have at shooting that little runner in the lane, which is often available.
Anyway, that is one old man's armchair opinion of what is going on.
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Feb 26, 2020 15:36:49 GMT -8
I'd like to see CSU and UNLV matched up in the tourney. That would be an interesting game. UNLV just curb stomped them 80-56 three days before they beat us. |
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Feb 26, 2020 15:39:05 GMT -8
Like I said in another thread after the UNLV loss. Other conference foes have probably run the tape/disc (whatever) of the UNLV game over and over to the point of wearing it out just to get the details down on how to play and beat the Aztec team. And, if they are smart will be using the same system when they play us (possibly in the MW Tournament), or in the case of Nevada in the upcoming final game in Reno Saturday. So, of course, the assumption being made here is that Dutcher & staff don't know this, and won't be making compensating adjustments to counter the adjustments made by our opponents... Made me think of this:  |
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Feb 26, 2020 15:53:47 GMT -8
So, of course, the assumption being made here is that Dutcher & staff don't know this, and won't be making compensating adjustments to counter the adjustments made by our opponents... Made me think of this:  Nailed it! |
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Post by aztech on Feb 26, 2020 17:27:57 GMT -8
I'd like to see CSU and UNLV matched up in the tourney. That would be an interesting game. UNLV just curb stomped them 80-56 three days before they beat us. Not in CSU's house. |
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Post by austinaztec on Feb 26, 2020 17:45:00 GMT -8
Good Morning I'm looking for a little help...I love Aztec BB and watch all the games but I never played and don't understand all the X and O's. I get that our shots just weren't falling against UNLV and to some extent last night too but did either team do anything different to defend us making things more difficult? Our D also did not seem as stout but UNLV only scored 66 and CUS only 60. That's not a lot more than the 57 we give up on avg. so overall it didn't seem like a bad effort. In my mind they steal at the end of the half and when UNLV hit a three with like 1 on the shot clock in te 2nd half made all the difference. Last night CSU hit a similar buzzer beater with no time late in the 2nd half too. It happens -but I like out chances when we force teams to take bad shots with no time. So, did UNLV and CSU lay down some kind of blueprint on how to better defend us, or we're we just a bit "off" on offense. Thanks Like I said in another thread after the UNLV loss. Other conference foes have probably run the tape/disc (whatever) of the UNLV game over and over to the point of wearing it out just to get the details down on how to play and beat the Aztec team. And, if they are smart will be using the same system when they play us (possibly in the MW Tournament), or in the case of Nevada in the upcoming final game in Reno Saturday. Agree with all you stated. I think our conference foes are simply denying us our interior game and are willing to take their chances on our perimeter shooting being off. |
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Post by standiego on Feb 26, 2020 17:57:50 GMT -8
Teams are going to try to be more physical with us . Paying more attention to their defense rather then offense . Try to take away Malachi and Matt as much as possible - double them if needed . Force them to pass or take a contested shot . Also work yo get Yanni in foul trouble knowing we do not have solid reserves there . Could also note how much PT our starters have been playing so wear them down - tired legs . It happened to Nevada last year
We win when we are able to play good team offense as well as defense . Move the ball and try to find open team mate instead of relying on the three .
Do need to get to the FT line more often . Jordan S and Feagin are good FT shooters but do not get to the line often enough
Guys have been trying to be the savior last few games - we have gotten away from playing inside / outside . Working as a team - also not much help from the reserves .
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Post by aztecanthony on Feb 26, 2020 18:25:44 GMT -8
Teams are going to try to be more physical with us . Paying more attention to their defense rather then offense . Try to take away Malachi and Matt as much as possible - double them if needed . Force them to pass or take a contested shot . Also work yo get Yanni in foul trouble knowing we do not have solid reserves there . Could also note how much PT our starters have been playing so wear them down - tired legs . It happened to Nevada last year We win when we are able to play good team offense as well as defense . Move the ball and try to find open team mate instead of relying on the three . Do need to get to the FT line more often . Jordan S and Feagin are good FT shooters but do not get to the line often enough Guys have been trying to be the savior last few games - we have gotten away from playing inside / outside . Working as a team - also not much help from the reserves . I agree that teams are being more aggressive with our guards on the perimeter and the officials are allowing it. Teams have figured out that this is how we want to attack. During last nights game, the CSU guards were super quick and the officials allowed them to bump Malachi continuously when he tried to drive without calling fouls. In summary, Part match up, part officiating for last nights game. |
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