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Post by soccer94 on Dec 2, 2019 12:00:40 GMT -8
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Post by DeeMoney on Dec 2, 2019 12:10:30 GMT -8
I'll preface this by writing that I am a big Kenpom guy. I have subscribed to his site for years now, I love the data that it provides, and recognize that it is the most useful information on predicting who will win in the future, and getting an accurate measure of how good a team is.
That being written, when it comes to rankings- and more importantly seeding in the tournament- WINS NEED TO MATTER!!!
If you take two teams, and have them play the exact same 10 game schedule in which they play the same 5 teams twice. It is feasible for Team-A to go 10-0 and Team-B 5-5, yet team B have a far better Kenpom ranking (simply by winning big and losing close); yet Team-A should be ranked higher. Rankings need to take into account Wins and Losses; not just who is better but also who won. I feel as if many voters don't understand this about metrics.
As I wrote, I am a firm believer in the metrics and Pomeroy's work- but predictive metrics shouldn't outweigh accomplishments when ranking and seeding.
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Post by standiego on Dec 2, 2019 12:20:16 GMT -8
Would agree use it to continue to motivate the team . Go out and just win games - especially now that we are favored to win our first two MW games and the remainder of the OOC As most are saying TT loss to Iowa hurt us - opportunity to beat a ranked team . Creighton and Iowa are decent teams but they were not ranked .We will see what happens to them and other opponents but do think both Iowa and Creighton have some other tough OOC games and in a tough conference
MW has lost a lot in status and our schedule did not help this year .
We can not afford to lose this week or the other OCC games Lose and little chance of getting ranked - just go out and win games . Take it out on our opponents
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Dec 2, 2019 12:38:33 GMT -8
This is frustrating. We need to be ranked as soon as we are deserving (which we currently are) so that when we do inevitably lose we will either stay in the rankings or move just barely out. Rankings matter for recruiting and national exposure. The longer we stay in the rankings, the higher the attendance will be, the more we'll get attention on ESPN, and the more recruits will know who we are and that we're legit.
It's horse $#!+ that we aren't in the rankings this week. Now if we happen to slip up and lose to CSU we'll be totally off the radar for a while
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Post by omnipotentaztec on Dec 2, 2019 12:44:50 GMT -8
Creighton and Iowa both beat Texas Tech, and yet are nowhere to be found. Texas Tech would have lost to SDSU had they played. Yet, Texas Tech continues to receive votes. What the hell man.
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Post by aztech on Dec 2, 2019 12:47:50 GMT -8
Big week for ranked college matchups. We should be ranked by next week if we take care of business on Wed and Sun Even if we win our games this week, I don't feel any of those ranked teams above will fall below us when one loses. The only way we can combat it is to remain undefeated after 10 games and in their eyes, we came out of nowhere. That's how we got there in 2011 as did Wichita State a few years ago. |
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