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Post by sleepy on Nov 10, 2019 0:24:40 GMT -8
Tonight, I crossed over. I gave the benefit of the doubt, just as long as the wins piled up. But this L was especially costly, as at least a middle-tier bowl was on the menu.
That's gone.
Something is clearly wrong o-side, and it's not the players. Everything I saw tonight for 3 hours -- plastered onto the backdrop of 2 seasons -- pointed to one man: The offensive coordinator.
It pains to see the defense put on stunning state-of-the-art displays week in, week out, only to have the O look like it is stuck in the Fielding Yost era. It's a waste.
I'm confident you can have a grad assistant put on the OC headsets and call a better game. Rocky indicated he knows all this after the Weber State debacle to open the season. He needs to act on that knowledge sometime during the next few weeks.
(PS... No, I did not -- and will not ever -- boo my Aztecs. Just needed something to fit the title and occasion!)
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Post by junior on Nov 10, 2019 0:26:44 GMT -8
There were plenty of boos coming from the stands tonight, sad as it is to report that…
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Post by aztecnails on Nov 10, 2019 1:07:14 GMT -8
boos are not a bad thing as the fans have high expectations for our Aztecs and especially after fresno lost and considering any one of 4 teams could now win the west. had the Aztecs won, they would have had a 2 game lead in the west and clinch a tie for the west. that what makes the fans take the step of booing. it is called frustration.
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Post by bobcooper84 on Nov 10, 2019 7:48:09 GMT -8
boos are not a bad thing as the fans have high expectations for our Aztecs and especially after fresno lost and considering any one of 4 teams could now win the west. had the Aztecs won, they would have had a 2 game lead in the west and clinch a tie for the west. that what makes the fans take the step of booing. it is called frustration. Yes, frustration with incompetence! |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Nov 10, 2019 8:00:39 GMT -8
“ Something is clearly wrong o-side, and it's not the players. Everything I saw tonight for 3 hours -- plastered onto the backdrop of 2 seasons -- pointed to one man: The offensive coordinator”
Wrong. Two men. You HAVE TO include Rocky Long when you point fingers.
Let’s quit giving Rocky a pass on this. In fact, I blame Rocky more than Horton for the dumpster fire that is the Offense for 2 seasons now.
Anyone who doesn’t get that has no clue how a D1 college football is run.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 10, 2019 8:03:02 GMT -8
When Vista's OC is more creative and flexible than SDSU's OC you know there's a problem.
Vista's OC is more creative and flexible than Jeff Horton.
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Post by Den60 on Nov 10, 2019 9:23:40 GMT -8
When you can't run the ball, and a 2.9 ypc average says just that, then you need your QB to make plays to allow you to win the game and Agnew's 25.8 QBR shows he wasn't up to the task. Our offense sucks because the line and Agnew are not good.
And, the play that hurt us the most was on ST. With the game tied at 10 and with us set to receive a punt our PR fielded that punt at the 8 yard line. When there is a good chance for a touchback you stand at the 10 yard line. If you have to take a step back to field the punt then you let it drop instead. Odds are it will go into the endzone for a TB. We did not get a first down on that series, punted to give Nevada great field position at their 45 and 5 plays later they were in the endzone and the momentum drastically changed in favor of Nevada. Though a close second was that horrible pick in the redzone Agnew threw right before halftime.
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Post by RiffelBooks on Nov 10, 2019 9:32:34 GMT -8
When you can't run the ball, and a 2.9 ypc average says just that, then you need your QB to make plays to allow you to win the game and Agnew's 25.8 QBR shows he wasn't up to the task. Our offense sucks because the line and Agnew are not good. And, the play that hurt us the most was on ST. With the game tied at 10 and with us set to receive a punt our PR fielded that punt at the 8 yard line. When there is a good chance for a touchback you stand at the 10 yard line. If you have to take a step back to field the punt then you let it drop instead. Odds are it will go into the endzone for a TB. We did not get a first down on that series, punted to give Nevada great field position at their 45 and 5 plays later they were in the endzone and the momentum drastically changed in favor of Nevada. Though a close second was that horrible pick in the redzone Agnew threw right before halftime. This is correct, OP is not entirely correct. We just don't have the talent on offense to do much more than we're doing. Our top running back is hurt. Our QB had a bad game. Our line is ineffective. A starting receiver is a walk-on. Yes, I think staff changes are needed, but they don't have much to work with. |
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Post by sdsu2000 on Nov 10, 2019 9:36:05 GMT -8
All I want him to hear is “I feel we need to go in a different direction so we won’t be renewing your contract”.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 10, 2019 9:45:32 GMT -8
When you can't run the ball, and a 2.9 ypc average says just that, then you need your QB to make plays to allow you to win the game and Agnew's 25.8 QBR shows he wasn't up to the task. Our offense sucks because the line and Agnew are not good. And our OC, O-Line Coach, and QB coach aren't good, either. Keep this in mind, too - HE FIELDED THAT PUNT OVER HIS HEAD LIKE CATCHING A PASS!!! It was definitely headed into the end zone. That was a mind bogglingly bad decision. But it was just one bad play of many last night. |
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Post by aztecfred on Nov 10, 2019 9:49:12 GMT -8
When you can't run the ball, and a 2.9 ypc average says just that, then you need your QB to make plays to allow you to win the game and Agnew's 25.8 QBR shows he wasn't up to the task. Our offense sucks because the line and Agnew are not good. And our OC, O-Line Coach, and QB coach aren't good, either. Keep this in mind, too - HE FIELDED THAT PUNT OVER HIS HEAD LIKE CATCHING A PASS!!! It was definitely headed into the end zone. That was a mind bogglingly bad decision. But it was just one bad play of many last night. Maybe the fact that we used multiple guys returning punts has something to do with it? |
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Post by fisher1fan on Nov 10, 2019 10:07:01 GMT -8
“ Something is clearly wrong o-side, and it's not the players. Everything I saw tonight for 3 hours -- plastered onto the backdrop of 2 seasons -- pointed to one man: The offensive coordinator” Wrong. Two men. You HAVE TO include Rocky Long when you point fingers. Let’s quit giving Rocky a pass on this. In fact, I blame Rocky more than Horton for the dumpster fire that is the Offense for 2 seasons now. Anyone who doesn’t get that has no clue how a D1 college football is run. The buck stops at the top. I blame Rocky, solely. If he cannot recruit, hire a capable staff, or adapt to the evolving game, then that’s on him, even if it is because of this staff |
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Post by hoobs on Nov 10, 2019 10:53:11 GMT -8
“ Something is clearly wrong o-side, and it's not the players. Everything I saw tonight for 3 hours -- plastered onto the backdrop of 2 seasons -- pointed to one man: The offensive coordinator” Wrong. Two men. You HAVE TO include Rocky Long when you point fingers. Let’s quit giving Rocky a pass on this. In fact, I blame Rocky more than Horton for the dumpster fire that is the Offense for 2 seasons now. Anyone who doesn’t get that has no clue how a D1 college football is run. The buck stops at the top. I blame Rocky, solely. If he cannot recruit, hire a capable staff, or adapt to the evolving game, then that’s on him, even if it is because of this staff Im quite a bit more generous to Rocky given what he's done with the defense and that the program is generally 'healthy.' But that generosity ends if he doesn't fire Horton, and most of the offensive assistants, immediately after the season is over. |
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Post by sdsuballer on Nov 10, 2019 11:25:35 GMT -8
Rocky gets too much credit for this mediocre program. Even Chuck Long was able to recruit a pair of NFL QB. Rocky is the type of coach that occasionally will get you a 10 win season but for the most part he is a 7-6 coach. Our best team was under Brady Hoke who change the losing culture. No decent QB in their right mind will come to SDSU under Rocky Long leadership. Rocky would rather run the ball 3 times and punt it away. In his delusional mind he feels his defense can score two touch down a game. Puts too much pressure on defense and special team. Also why did Rocky Long not take a time out before the half ended with a 3 and Long. Doesn't he trust his defense??
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Nov 10, 2019 12:08:40 GMT -8
When you can't run the ball, and a 2.9 ypc average says just that, then you need your QB to make plays to allow you to win the game and Agnew's 25.8 QBR shows he wasn't up to the task. Our offense sucks because the line and Agnew are not good. And, the play that hurt us the most was on ST. With the game tied at 10 and with us set to receive a punt our PR fielded that punt at the 8 yard line. When there is a good chance for a touchback you stand at the 10 yard line. If you have to take a step back to field the punt then you let it drop instead. Odds are it will go into the endzone for a TB. We did not get a first down on that series, punted to give Nevada great field position at their 45 and 5 plays later they were in the endzone and the momentum drastically changed in favor of Nevada. Though a close second was that horrible pick in the redzone Agnew threw right before halftime. This is correct, OP is not entirely correct. We just don't have the talent on offense to do much more than we're doing. Our top running back is hurt. Our QB had a bad game. Our line is ineffective. A starting receiver is a walk-on. Yes, I think staff changes are needed, but they don't have much to work with. I'm not sure where the 2.9 came from. Our seasonal yards per carry overall is 3.3 and that includes sacks of Agnew which the NCAA inexplicably calls rushes. In fact, all our running backs are averaging over 3.3 ypc and even that is a bit misleading. The 3.4 belongs to Washington who Horton apparently thinks wouldn't benefit from sitting out a couple games because Jeff continues to play him although Juwan is clearly not close to 100% physically. Agnew is devoid of the ability to complete long passes and we therefore have nothing in the way of a vertical attack this season. However, Agnew showed against Nevada that he can find tight ends open over the middle and we have two very good ones yet Horton only rarely targets them. I do agree with Den about Agnew's end zone interception. Nevada was a team coming in which had one of the lowest number of interceptions in the country but it isn't too difficult to pick off a pass when the opposing quarterback gets the snap and then looks straight at the intended receiver prior to throwing the ball. That play not only cost us at least three points, it gave Nevada the momentum going into the second half. One final point. Since we literally never use a trick play such as Nevada pulled off last night with a receiver or running back throwing a pass downfield, I assume we don't have a single WR or RB capable of doing so. Can that be true? |
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Post by cmonaztecs on Nov 10, 2019 12:24:18 GMT -8
#24 in the country and we lose to Nevada?? I didn't really believe we were that good. I don't know about Rocky's ball control mentality, except when it works. Seems like it doesn't fit our personnel, with small RB's and Linemen. Tough loss, especially since my buds just bought me a 35 yrd line row 5 ticket to the Nov 30th BYU game. Hope we figure things out by then. But I'll tell you that come from behind win against BYU in Basketball was exciting as anything I've ever watched.
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Post by fisher1fan on Nov 10, 2019 13:17:34 GMT -8
#24 in the country and we lose to Nevada?? I didn't really believe we were that good. I don't know about Rocky's ball control mentality, except when it works. Seems like it doesn't fit our personnel, with small RB's and Linemen. Tough loss, especially since my buds just bought me a 35 yrd line row 5 ticket to the Nov 30th BYU game. Hope we figure things out by then. But I'll tell you that come from behind win against BYU in Basketball was exciting as anything I've ever watched. Check out Double Overime against Temple or New Mexico and Hutson’s 1-3-1 |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 10, 2019 13:34:43 GMT -8
“ Something is clearly wrong o-side, and it's not the players. Everything I saw tonight for 3 hours -- plastered onto the backdrop of 2 seasons -- pointed to one man: The offensive coordinator” Wrong. Two men. You HAVE TO include Rocky Long when you point fingers. Let’s quit giving Rocky a pass on this. In fact, I blame Rocky more than Horton for the dumpster fire that is the Offense for 2 seasons now. Anyone who doesn’t get that has no clue how a D1 college football is run. The buck stops at the top. I blame Rocky, solely. If he cannot recruit, hire a capable staff, or adapt to the evolving game, then that’s on him, even if it is because of this staff Rocky's two previous OC's both did a good job (Ludwig did a REALLY good job). So he's 2 for 3 when it comes to AD hires. I'll cut him some slack there - IF he fires Horton, Schmidt, and Morgan when the season ends. If not... Rocky will have taken on 100% responsibility for this mess of an offense over the last two seasons. |
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Post by aztecx on Nov 10, 2019 13:41:23 GMT -8
We just don't have the talent on offense to do much more than we're doing. Our top running back is hurt. Our QB had a bad game. Our line is ineffective. A starting receiver is a walk-on. Yes, I think staff changes are needed, but they don't have much to work with. And whose fault is is that we "don't have much to work with"? The coaching staff: 1. Recruits the players 2. Develops the players 3. Designes the game plan. 4. Calls the plays. If we "don't have much to work with", that is a reason to fire the entire offensive staff. |
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Post by Village Aztec on Nov 10, 2019 13:45:44 GMT -8
That Basketball win was like the teams of 5 years ago. Win with 5 minutes to go and the lead. What a night for football. We can't pass or run. We win when defense scores. Try watch the Aztecs in the Eastern time zone. Hard to get to a sleep after a game.
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