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Post by aztecjeff on Sept 10, 2019 23:24:54 GMT -8
missionvalley.sdsu.edu/assets/pdfs/SDSU-MV-IS-1-17-19.pdfAccording to page 6 & 29 of the attached master report, SDSU's Mission Valley Campus expansion would increase full time equivalent student enrollment by 15,000 to 20,000 (see bottom of page 6). Eventual school enrollment could reach anywhere between 50,000 and 55,000 students, surpassing enrollment figures of either USC or UCLA. Hovering around 35,000 students, SDSU is currently the largest university in the Mountain West Conference. Enrollment of 55,000 would completely overshadow other Mountain West institutions, and could place SDSU #2 in the Pac-12 and #1 in the Big XII. When all is said and done, SDSU could eventually become the 5th largest university in the United States.
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Post by longtimebooster on Sept 11, 2019 5:22:37 GMT -8
Which is why I posted on AztecTalk some 20 years ago that our future lay with an expansion of the university to Mission Valley, growth to 50k students and construction of a football stadium in Mission Valley. That combination is the ticket to joining the P12. And we should go into the league in tandem with UNLV. Yes, I know UNLV sucks as an academic institution, but with the addition of the Raider Stadium and the dynamic demographics of Las Vegas, it's going to be a difficult region for TV sports execs to ignore.
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Post by hoobs on Sept 11, 2019 6:43:49 GMT -8
Which is why I posted on AztecTalk some 20 years ago that our future lay with an expansion of the university to Mission Valley, growth to 50k students and construction of a football stadium in Mission Valley. That combination is the ticket to joining the P12. And we should go into the league in tandem with UNLV. Yes, I know UNLV sucks as an academic institution, but with the addition of the Raider Stadium and the dynamic demographics of Las Vegas, it's going to be a difficult region for TV sports execs to ignore. Yes, yes, yes, and yes. And re. UNLV, IIRC they are adding one or multiple professional graduate schools in the near future (or have already done so), which means their academic ranking will skyrocket.
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Post by sleepy on Sept 11, 2019 7:19:50 GMT -8
Which is why I posted on AztecTalk some 20 years ago that our future lay with an expansion of the university to Mission Valley, growth to 50k students and construction of a football stadium in Mission Valley. That combination is the ticket to joining the P12. And we should go into the league in tandem with UNLV. Yes, I know UNLV sucks as an academic institution, but with the addition of the Raider Stadium and the dynamic demographics of Las Vegas, it's going to be a difficult region for TV sports execs to ignore. Agree with everything above, except that your statement on UNLV is out of date. They've upped their game considerably according to accounts I've read.
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Post by aztecjeff on Sept 11, 2019 7:25:11 GMT -8
One of the most important aspects of campus expansion is the massive upgrade in research facilities. An increase of federal endowment funds will undoubtedly follow. Both are important factors to the Pac-12. At the very least SDSU will attract the attention of the Big XII if they ever decide to look west.
The initial size of Aztec Stadium won't be a problem either. Stadium expansion has already been incorporated into the construction plans. If a Power 5 conference comes calling, the stadium will be easily expanded to whatever size necessary. Campus expansion into Mission Valley presents enormous possibilities for San Diego State.
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Post by longtimebooster on Sept 11, 2019 7:32:22 GMT -8
Which is why I posted on AztecTalk some 20 years ago that our future lay with an expansion of the university to Mission Valley, growth to 50k students and construction of a football stadium in Mission Valley. That combination is the ticket to joining the P12. And we should go into the league in tandem with UNLV. Yes, I know UNLV sucks as an academic institution, but with the addition of the Raider Stadium and the dynamic demographics of Las Vegas, it's going to be a difficult region for TV sports execs to ignore. Agree with everything above, except that your statement on UNLV is out of date. They've upped their game considerably according to accounts I've read. They opened their law school in 2002 and admitted their first class to the new medical school in 2017. So, yeah, they're on an upward trajectory. However, their current U.S. News ranking is still abysmal. They're No. 293+. (U.S. News doesn't bother ranking school in the 293 to 381 group. The worst ranking a national university can get is 293.)
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Post by sdsu2000 on Sept 11, 2019 8:02:46 GMT -8
There are a lot of factors that will go into getting an invite into a better conference. One that is always overlooked is a passionate fan base. A fan base that not only shows up for home games but one that travels extremely well. One that has 5-10,000 fans traveling to away games. One that will have 20,000 traveling to a bowl game. Academics, on campus stadium, enrollment and research ranking all come into play but so does the fan base. Conferences want people in the seats and eyes on the tv. I see the other areas getting better but I'm not sure San Diego can grow a passionate fan base.
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Post by chris92065 on Sept 11, 2019 8:14:20 GMT -8
I don’t know if the pac 12 will survive in its current form for much longer. The TV situation is flat out debacle on biblical proportions. I may be way off base but they are by far the worst of the P5. In fact, the PAC is closer to the MWC and AAC then they are a P5 conference. It seems more likely that the big 12 will try to poach 2 schools the next round of TV negotiations then PAC expanding. The PAC network is a joke. Larry Scott is about as good a commissioner as Craig THOMPSON.
Don’t get me wrong, i would join the PAC in a second, I am just predicting the college landscape is going to change drastically by 2025.
We just need a brand new kick ass stadium built and mission valley expansion well under way by then to put us in a position to find a chair at the big boy table in whatever P5 conference takes us before the dust settles.
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Post by Old School on Sept 11, 2019 8:23:15 GMT -8
Winning and growing. SDSU may be too big time for the PAC? After the student population growth spurt including financial influx of a potential Power 5 Conference suitor, the impact of this University upon the city will be immense.
Oldie Out
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Post by sleepy on Sept 11, 2019 9:08:51 GMT -8
Agree with everything above, except that your statement on UNLV is out of date. They've upped their game considerably according to accounts I've read. They opened their law school in 2002 and admitted their first class to the new medical school in 2017. So, yeah, they're on an upward trajectory. However, their current U.S. News ranking is still abysmal. They're No. 293+. (U.S. News doesn't bother ranking school in the 293 to 381 group. The worst ranking a national university can get is 293.) I thought I saw something posted here over the spring or summer (maybe even by me??) about their getting some sort of accreditation that your average school doesn't often get. I'll see if I can find it later on... EDIT: Here is the thread... aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/58974/unlv-earns-carnegie-r1-rating
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Post by Den60 on Sept 11, 2019 9:42:28 GMT -8
I don’t know if the pac 12 will survive in its current form for much longer. The TV situation is flat out debacle on biblical proportions. I may be way off base but they are by far the worst of the P5. In fact, the PAC is closer to the MWC and AAC then they are a P5 conference. It seems more likely that the big 12 will try to poach 2 schools the next round of TV negotiations then PAC expanding. The PAC network is a joke. Larry Scott is about as good a commissioner as Craig THOMPSON. Don’t get me wrong, i would join the PAC in a second, I am just predicting the college landscape is going to change drastically by 2025. We just need a brand new kick ass stadium built and mission valley expansion well under way by then to put us in a position to find a chair at the big boy table in whatever P5 conference takes us before the dust settles. Hell, I can see the elite money making football schools kicking schools out of the existing "P5" conferences and reducing the number of teams in each. At least when it comes to football.
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Post by aardvark on Sept 11, 2019 10:09:34 GMT -8
I don’t know if the pac 12 will survive in its current form for much longer. The TV situation is flat out debacle on biblical proportions. I may be way off base but they are by far the worst of the P5. In fact, the PAC is closer to the MWC and AAC then they are a P5 conference. It seems more likely that the big 12 will try to poach 2 schools the next round of TV negotiations then PAC expanding. The PAC network is a joke. Larry Scott is about as good a commissioner as Craig THOMPSON. Don’t get me wrong, i would join the PAC in a second, I am just predicting the college landscape is going to change drastically by 2025. We just need a brand new kick ass stadium built and mission valley expansion well under way by then to put us in a position to find a chair at the big boy table in whatever P5 conference takes us before the dust settles. Hell, I can see the elite money making football schools kicking schools out of the existing "P5" conferences and reducing the number of teams in each. At least when it comes to football. Absolutely, although I think they go to 4, 16-team conferences. And although I would love to see it, I don't think I will live to see SDSU football in a "Power" conference.
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Post by Den60 on Sept 11, 2019 10:17:19 GMT -8
Hell, I can see the elite money making football schools kicking schools out of the existing "P5" conferences and reducing the number of teams in each. At least when it comes to football. Absolutely, although I think they go to 4, 16-team conferences. And although I would love to see it, I don't think I will live to see SDSU football in a "Power" conference. Hell, I can see them going with 4 10 team "conferences" structured similarly to the NFL with a rotation of inter-conference play with one TV contract covering the 40 schools.
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Post by MrPerfect on Sept 11, 2019 10:23:47 GMT -8
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Post by aztech on Sept 11, 2019 10:34:43 GMT -8
Agree with everything above, except that your statement on UNLV is out of date. They've upped their game considerably according to accounts I've read. They opened their law school in 2002 and admitted their first class to the new medical school in 2017. So, yeah, they're on an upward trajectory. However, their current U.S. News ranking is still abysmal. They're No. 293+. (U.S. News doesn't bother ranking school in the 293 to 381 group. The worst ranking a national university can get is 293.) UN-Reno has had a medical school for a long time, but their overall academic rankings are still below ours. So over time UNLV doesn't really have a high bar to climb.
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Post by aardvark on Sept 11, 2019 10:55:09 GMT -8
Absolutely, although I think they go to 4, 16-team conferences. And although I would love to see it, I don't think I will live to see SDSU football in a "Power" conference. Hell, I can see them going with 4 10 team "conferences" structured similarly to the NFL with a rotation of inter-conference play with one TV contract covering the 40 schools. Interesting concept, but I don't see them getting down to 40 schools.
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Sept 11, 2019 13:42:11 GMT -8
Which is why I posted on AztecTalk some 20 years ago that our future lay with an expansion of the university to Mission Valley, growth to 50k students and construction of a football stadium in Mission Valley. That combination is the ticket to joining the P12. And we should go into the league in tandem with UNLV. Yes, I know UNLV sucks as an academic institution, but with the addition of the Raider Stadium and the dynamic demographics of Las Vegas, it's going to be a difficult region for TV sports execs to ignore. Word for word.
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Post by Village Aztec on Sept 11, 2019 15:00:32 GMT -8
So student athletic fees will grow every year. That should help. Graduating more students should help with donations and season tickets.
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Post by 94sdsu on Sept 11, 2019 16:03:38 GMT -8
I don’t know if the pac 12 will survive in its current form for much longer. The TV situation is flat out debacle on biblical proportions. I may be way off base but they are by far the worst of the P5. In fact, the PAC is closer to the MWC and AAC then they are a P5 conference. It seems more likely that the big 12 will try to poach 2 schools the next round of TV negotiations then PAC expanding. The PAC network is a joke. Larry Scott is about as good a commissioner as Craig THOMPSON. Don’t get me wrong, i would join the PAC in a second, I am just predicting the college landscape is going to change drastically by 2025. We just need a brand new kick ass stadium built and mission valley expansion well under way by then to put us in a position to find a chair at the big boy table in whatever P5 conference takes us before the dust settles. So does the B12 try to take a couple of P12 schools or the other way around? I hope the B12 takes a couple of P12 schools as that may be the door opening we need. Honestly, I don't know who'd they take though. CU and UU would make the most sense to join the B12, but I doubt that's who they'd want. I can't really see any of the other schools leaving besides those 2 though and I doubt UU would even go. If the P12 takes 2 B12 schools, which I also doubt can happen unless its the 2 OK schools, then the B12 will simply back fill with eastern schools.
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Post by chris92065 on Sept 11, 2019 16:14:25 GMT -8
I don’t know if the pac 12 will survive in its current form for much longer. The TV situation is flat out debacle on biblical proportions. I may be way off base but they are by far the worst of the P5. In fact, the PAC is closer to the MWC and AAC then they are a P5 conference. It seems more likely that the big 12 will try to poach 2 schools the next round of TV negotiations then PAC expanding. The PAC network is a joke. Larry Scott is about as good a commissioner as Craig THOMPSON. Don’t get me wrong, i would join the PAC in a second, I am just predicting the college landscape is going to change drastically by 2025. We just need a brand new kick ass stadium built and mission valley expansion well under way by then to put us in a position to find a chair at the big boy table in whatever P5 conference takes us before the dust settles. So does the B12 try to take a couple of P12 schools or the other way around? I hope the B12 takes a couple of P12 schools as that may be the door opening we need. Honestly, I don't know who'd they take though. CU and UU would make the most sense to join the B12, but I doubt that's who they'd want. I can't really see any of the other schools leaving besides those 2 though and I doubt UU would even go. If the P12 takes 2 B12 schools, which I also doubt can happen unless its the 2 OK schools, then the B12 will simply back fill with eastern schools. I don’t know, but more moves are on the horizon.
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