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Post by aztecmouse on Dec 26, 2016 19:46:54 GMT -8
And if the Chargers say good bye for LA . City of SD could offer Oakland same deal it offered the Chargers - play in MV at the Q while a new facility is being built . NFL can make up its own rules about Vegas-does it want a team there or not ? or what it may want to do to keep a team in San Diego or does it prefer Vegas ? I understand the part about playing in Qualcomm, but what makes you think the city will build a stadium for the raiders? Everything would still have to go to a vote, and if the Chargers, an NFL team that was here for 50+ years, couldn't break the 50% threshold, what makes you believe that the Raiders (a team commonly associated with criminals and thugs by most san diegans) would do any better?
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Post by SD Johnny on Dec 26, 2016 20:18:44 GMT -8
And if the Chargers say good bye for LA . City of SD could offer Oakland same deal it offered the Chargers - play in MV at the Q while a new facility is being built . NFL can make up its own rules about Vegas-does it want a team there or not ? or what it may want to do to keep a team in San Diego or does it prefer Vegas ? How is the stadium paid for, Stan? Who pays for it? Can't wait to hear your plan. The Chargers havent been able to get anything done since 2003 but there's some super secret plan out there that will attract the Raiders? LOL.
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Post by pbnative on Dec 26, 2016 20:57:21 GMT -8
And if the Chargers say good bye for LA . City of SD could offer Oakland same deal it offered the Chargers - play in MV at the Q while a new facility is being built . NFL can make up its own rules about Vegas-does it want a team there or not ? or what it may want to do to keep a team in San Diego or does it prefer Vegas ? 1st - SD isn't going to put up $800 million, and definitely not without a vote, and that is 2+ years down the road minimum. 2nd - vegas is 100 time more appealing than SD, and way more entertainment oriented. Billions flowing through Vegas, the almost guarantee of selling out very expensive luxury boxes to the casinos and high rollers, and the massive yearly convention attendance that make comicon look like a few friends getting together for a D&D weekend. In the grand scheme, the NFL is no longer about My Team/ City is better than yours. Very few players take pride in what team they play for (except legendary teams like Green Bay) It is all about entertainment and $$$$. SD is a great place to live and visit, but just doesn't have the financial clout when it comes to feeding a billionaires bank account. The few bigger corporations that are here are not the type that care about the NFL.
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Post by aardvark on Dec 26, 2016 22:25:06 GMT -8
And if the Chargers say good bye for LA . City of SD could offer Oakland same deal it offered the Chargers - play in MV at the Q while a new facility is being built . NFL can make up its own rules about Vegas-does it want a team there or not ? or what it may want to do to keep a team in San Diego or does it prefer Vegas ? Does the NFL really want 3 teams in SoCal? I don't think so. I think The League would rather keep the 2 teams in the Bay Area, one team in L.A., and the Chargers here. But the league is finding out that the Democratic People's Republic of Kalifornia will NOT pony up big bucks for multiple stadia, so if the NFL wants to keep all current teams in this state, they are going to either pony up the money themselves to build new stadiums for the Raiders and Chargers, or somehow get ownership of the Raiders and Chargers to sell to someone who has much deeper pockets than Davis and Spanos.
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Post by aardvark on Dec 26, 2016 22:26:55 GMT -8
Dean doesn't care about acceptance he cares about... $dolLAr$ If he really wanted LA and to do it right, he should/would have gone for AEG's Famer's Field stadium and beat Kroenke there. That mistake and the whole Carson and now Inglewood debacle, shows how terrible of a businessman he really is. AEG wanted an ownership stake in the Chargers (I believe). Spanos wasn't interested in that deal.
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Post by david110 on Dec 26, 2016 22:28:54 GMT -8
Dean doesn't care about acceptance he cares about... $dolLAr$ Yeah, this isn't your best argument. If all he cared about was $$$ (or at least the pursuit of it), he would have moved the team a long time ago. He is the one who likes living in San Diego; it is rumored to be his siblings and possibly his children who want to move the team. The other thing against your argument is that a huge asset value bump is no longer a slam dunk. The Rams got there first. No one in LA cares about the Chargers. The team stinks. He can only afford (and with loans) to go as a tenant. There is a non-zero risk that he could take a financial bath if he moves to LA and has to sell the team because conditions stay the same or worsen. Your better angle is - inherited owner/incompetent businessman. His siblings, who own equal shares, but not involved with the team, wants the move. I think his sons were born in SD, and are against the move. SD is their home.
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Post by aztecbolt on Dec 26, 2016 22:58:25 GMT -8
If he really wanted LA and to do it right, he should/would have gone for AEG's Famer's Field stadium and beat Kroenke there. That mistake and the whole Carson and now Inglewood debacle, shows how terrible of a businessman he really is. AEG wanted an ownership stake in the Chargers (I believe). Spanos wasn't interested in that deal. Correct. I understand him not wanting to sell but IMO it's just a matter of time before he's going to have to. He's "screwed" whether he stays here or goes to LA. Either he's going to have to shell out for a new stadium here or pony up the $650M relocation + all the other expenses involved in moving and building a new training facility/HQ, etc. Plus, their revenue is going to decrease sharply in LA.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 26, 2016 23:53:09 GMT -8
Regarding MV, the NFL & SDSU WEST...
People need to realize the fact that there is NOTHING that could be built in MV that would be more beneficial to San Diego (long-term) in nearly every single social, cultural, environmental & economic metric than expanding San Diego State University.
Comparing the benefits of the NFL to SDSU WEST is laughable. SDSU WEST is superior by leaps & bounds & the mayor & city council know this.
You have to be naive to believe SD politician & its citizens will continue to allow the NFL to take advantage of them as they have in the past. Particularly if the NFL in MV impedes the concept SDSU WEST from reached its maximum potential.
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Post by SD Johnny on Dec 27, 2016 6:48:52 GMT -8
Still waiting to hear your plan, Stan. Can't wait!
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 27, 2016 7:27:35 GMT -8
Regarding MV, the NFL & SDSU WEST... People need to realize the fact that there is NOTHING that could be built in MV that would be more beneficial to San Diego (long-term) in nearly every single social, cultural, environmental & economic metric than expanding San Diego State University. Comparing the benefits of the NFL to SDSU WEST is laughable. SDSU WEST is superior by leaps & bounds & the mayor & city council know this. You have to be naive to believe SD politician & its citizens will continue to allow the NFL to take advantage of them as they have in the past. Particularly if the NFL in MV impedes the concept SDSU WEST from reached its maximum potential. Your'e looking at it from an alum's point of view. Most people in the county don't care about SDSU. The school means nothing to them. They won't work there, their kids won't become students there, and they won't have their lives affected in any way by the school. The Chargers, on the other hand, have the potential to be a source of civic pride like nothing else can be. Just look at the excitement they brought to hundreds of thousands of people in town when they were contending to get into the Super Bowl in the late 70's and early 80's (and again a few years ago). Look at the unprecedented level of excitement this town had when they actually made it to the Super Bowl in early 1995. Over 70k people showed up to celebrate their AFC Championship Game win just hours after the game ended. Chargers logos and lightning bolts were everywhere. People who had nothing in common, people who would have otherwise distrusted each other, were hugging and high-fiving. Nothing that SDSU can do will ever even come close to that kind of emotional impact on the community. The benefits of having an NFL team in any city go far beyond merely economic. That's something that goes over the heads of a lot of SDSU alums around here. Some of you want to make it an, "Us VS Them," kind of thing, when it doesn't have to be (and shouldn't be). The Chargers are good for San Diego in ways that SDSU never can be. Losing the Chargers will be a huge blow to this city whether you want to believe that or not.
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Post by Spud on Dec 27, 2016 9:02:35 GMT -8
Regarding MV, the NFL & SDSU WEST... People need to realize the fact that there is NOTHING that could be built in MV that would be more beneficial to San Diego (long-term) in nearly every single social, cultural, environmental & economic metric than expanding San Diego State University. Comparing the benefits of the NFL to SDSU WEST is laughable. SDSU WEST is superior by leaps & bounds & the mayor & city council know this. You have to be naive to believe SD politician & its citizens will continue to allow the NFL to take advantage of them as they have in the past. Particularly if the NFL in MV impedes the concept SDSU WEST from reached its maximum potential. Your'e looking at it from an alum's point of view. Most people in the county don't care about SDSU. The school means nothing to them. They won't work there, their kids won't become students there, and they won't have their lives affected in any way by the school. The Chargers, on the other hand, have the potential to be a source of civic pride like nothing else can be. Just look at the excitement they brought to hundreds of thousands of people in town when they were contending to get into the Super Bowl in the late 70's and early 80's (and again a few years ago). Look at the unprecedented level of excitement this town had when they actually made it to the Super Bowl in early 1995. Over 70k people showed up to celebrate their AFC Championship Game win just hours after the game ended. Chargers logos and lightning bolts were everywhere. People who had nothing in common, people who would have otherwise distrusted each other, were hugging and high-fiving. Nothing that SDSU can do will ever even come close to that kind of emotional impact on the community. The benefits of having an NFL team in any city go far beyond merely economic. That's something that goes over the heads of a lot of SDSU alums around here. Some of you want to make it an, "Us VS Them," kind of thing, when it doesn't have to be (and shouldn't be). The Chargers are good for San Diego in ways that SDSU never can be. Losing the Chargers will be a huge blow to this city whether you want to believe that or not. LOL "Civic Pride"...every damn time they show blizzards and tornado's across the country, there is plenty of "civic pride" throughout San Diego. Other than the Superbowl run 23 years ago, when was the last time anyone could say the Chargers brought "civic pride" to San Diego? Laughable. Guess "civic pride" was in full effect on Sunday too, huh? Our weather is the best thing for San Diego hands down. Both from an economic standpoint (tourism) and from a day to day living standpoint. Unless you've lived anywhere where there is REAL weather, you just wouldn't understand. So let's give up this farce of "civic pride". The Chargers have done NOTHING in the last 15 years to bolster that.
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Post by hoobs on Dec 27, 2016 9:11:11 GMT -8
The way Spanos has run the Chargers, they've been waaaay more a source of civic shame than anything else.
So much self-serving bias to assert that only the Chargers can bring such "civic pride," as if every single resident is a huge NFL fan. Total BS.
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Post by jiggy on Dec 27, 2016 9:13:06 GMT -8
Soooo it's been 20+ years since San Diego has had the "emotional impact" provided by the Chargers that make them such an asset to community. I've always been a bit confused by the "Chamber of Commerce days" comments when the Chargers were televised that were never embraced by the city or the hoteliers who benefit from that type of exposure.
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Post by fanhood on Dec 27, 2016 9:45:52 GMT -8
Your'e looking at it from an alum's point of view. Most people in the county don't care about SDSU. The school means nothing to them. They won't work there, their kids won't become students there, and they won't have their lives affected in any way by the school. The Chargers, on the other hand, have the potential to be a source of civic pride like nothing else can be. Just look at the excitement they brought to hundreds of thousands of people in town when they were contending to get into the Super Bowl in the late 70's and early 80's (and again a few years ago). Look at the unprecedented level of excitement this town had when they actually made it to the Super Bowl in early 1995. Over 70k people showed up to celebrate their AFC Championship Game win just hours after the game ended. Chargers logos and lightning bolts were everywhere. People who had nothing in common, people who would have otherwise distrusted each other, were hugging and high-fiving. Nothing that SDSU can do will ever even come close to that kind of emotional impact on the community. The benefits of having an NFL team in any city go far beyond merely economic. That's something that goes over the heads of a lot of SDSU alums around here. Some of you want to make it an, "Us VS Them," kind of thing, when it doesn't have to be (and shouldn't be). The Chargers are good for San Diego in ways that SDSU never can be. Losing the Chargers will be a huge blow to this city whether you want to believe that or not. LOL "Civic Pride"...every damn time they show blizzards and tornado's across the country, there is plenty of "civic pride" throughout San Diego. Other than the Superbowl run 23 years ago, when was the last time anyone could say the Chargers brought "civic pride" to San Diego? Laughable. Guess "civic pride" was in full effect on Sunday too, huh? Our weather is the best thing for San Diego hands down. Both from an economic standpoint (tourism) and from a day to day living standpoint. Unless you've lived anywhere where there is REAL weather, you just wouldn't understand. So let's give up this farce of "civic pride". The Chargers have done NOTHING in the last 15 years to bolster that. San Diego is a community full of transplants. There are Browns fans, Steelers fans, Trojans fans, Bruins fans, Cardinal fans, Cardinals fans, Giants fans, Jets fans, etc. No amount of civic pride once every twenty years makes sense for the city to support a private company to build a building.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 27, 2016 10:05:06 GMT -8
Wow. Such myopia among some people.
The Chargers were dominant for about 5 years with Philip Rivers, making it to the AFC Championship game at least once.
That was within the last 10 years.
How quickly some people forget...
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Post by sdsudevil on Dec 27, 2016 10:16:26 GMT -8
Regarding MV, the NFL & SDSU WEST... People need to realize the fact that there is NOTHING that could be built in MV that would be more beneficial to San Diego (long-term) in nearly every single social, cultural, environmental & economic metric than expanding San Diego State University. Comparing the benefits of the NFL to SDSU WEST is laughable. SDSU WEST is superior by leaps & bounds & the mayor & city council know this. You have to be naive to believe SD politician & its citizens will continue to allow the NFL to take advantage of them as they have in the past. Particularly if the NFL in MV impedes the concept SDSU WEST from reached its maximum potential. Your'e looking at it from an alum's point of view. Most people in the county don't care about SDSU. The school means nothing to them. They won't work there, their kids won't become students there, and they won't have their lives affected in any way by the school. The Chargers, on the other hand, have the potential to be a source of civic pride like nothing else can be. Just look at the excitement they brought to hundreds of thousands of people in town when they were contending to get into the Super Bowl in the late 70's and early 80's (and again a few years ago). Look at the unprecedented level of excitement this town had when they actually made it to the Super Bowl in early 1995. Over 70k people showed up to celebrate their AFC Championship Game win just hours after the game ended. Chargers logos and lightning bolts were everywhere. People who had nothing in common, people who would have otherwise distrusted each other, were hugging and high-fiving. Nothing that SDSU can do will ever even come close to that kind of emotional impact on the community. The benefits of having an NFL team in any city go far beyond merely economic. That's something that goes over the heads of a lot of SDSU alums around here. Some of you want to make it an, "Us VS Them," kind of thing, when it doesn't have to be (and shouldn't be). The Chargers are good for San Diego in ways that SDSU never can be. Losing the Chargers will be a huge blow to this city whether you want to believe that or not. You are bringing up a few fleeting moments in a 40-year span. I wonder how many people were emotionally, economically, civically, culturally or socially bettered by San Diego State in that same time span?
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 27, 2016 10:39:02 GMT -8
Regarding MV, the NFL & SDSU WEST... People need to realize the fact that there is NOTHING that could be built in MV that would be more beneficial to San Diego (long-term) in nearly every single social, cultural, environmental & economic metric than expanding San Diego State University. Comparing the benefits of the NFL to SDSU WEST is laughable. SDSU WEST is superior by leaps & bounds & the mayor & city council know this. You have to be naive to believe SD politician & its citizens will continue to allow the NFL to take advantage of them as they have in the past. Particularly if the NFL in MV impedes the concept SDSU WEST from reached its maximum potential. Your'e looking at it from an alum's point of view. Most people in the county don't care about SDSU. The school means nothing to them. They won't work there, their kids won't become students there, and they won't have their lives affected in any way by the school. The Chargers, on the other hand, have the potential to be a source of civic pride like nothing else can be. Just look at the excitement they brought to hundreds of thousands of people in town when they were contending to get into the Super Bowl in the late 70's and early 80's (and again a few years ago). Look at the unprecedented level of excitement this town had when they actually made it to the Super Bowl in early 1995. Over 70k people showed up to celebrate their AFC Championship Game win just hours after the game ended. Chargers logos and lightning bolts were everywhere. People who had nothing in common, people who would have otherwise distrusted each other, were hugging and high-fiving. Nothing that SDSU can do will ever even come close to that kind of emotional impact on the community. The benefits of having an NFL team in any city go far beyond merely economic. That's something that goes over the heads of a lot of SDSU alums around here. Some of you want to make it an, "Us VS Them," kind of thing, when it doesn't have to be (and shouldn't be). The Chargers are good for San Diego in ways that SDSU never can be. Losing the Chargers will be a huge blow to this city whether you want to believe that or not. I've said many times I don't care if the Chargers stay or leave so long as they vacate MV and not on the tax payers dime. Lol in regards to the rest of your post. You couldn't be more wrong and are so completely disconnected with the pulse of San Diego it's actually quite amusing. You should be aware there is a TREMENDOUS amount of support for SDSU WEST both political & public. To say most people in the county don't care about SDSU and their lives are not affected in any way by the university is just ignorant. SDSU is the #10 employer in SD, has 35,000 students (60% of which become part of the SD workforce) & has well over 200,000 alumni & growing. As just a single example about 50% of the teachers in San Diego county are SDSU grads. So, if you have any children attending public schools it is a pretty good bet their teacher(s) went to SDSU. I could go on but your logic is just too idiotic. SDSU has a bigger ripple effect on SD County than the Chargers could even fathom. Go SDSU WEST! Go AZTECS!
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Post by aztecmusician on Dec 27, 2016 10:45:51 GMT -8
Your'e looking at it from an alum's point of view. Most people in the county don't care about SDSU. The school means nothing to them. They won't work there, their kids won't become students there, and they won't have their lives affected in any way by the school. The Chargers, on the other hand, have the potential to be a source of civic pride like nothing else can be. Just look at the excitement they brought to hundreds of thousands of people in town when they were contending to get into the Super Bowl in the late 70's and early 80's (and again a few years ago). Look at the unprecedented level of excitement this town had when they actually made it to the Super Bowl in early 1995. Over 70k people showed up to celebrate their AFC Championship Game win just hours after the game ended. Chargers logos and lightning bolts were everywhere. People who had nothing in common, people who would have otherwise distrusted each other, were hugging and high-fiving. Nothing that SDSU can do will ever even come close to that kind of emotional impact on the community. The benefits of having an NFL team in any city go far beyond merely economic. That's something that goes over the heads of a lot of SDSU alums around here. Some of you want to make it an, "Us VS Them," kind of thing, when it doesn't have to be (and shouldn't be). The Chargers are good for San Diego in ways that SDSU never can be. Losing the Chargers will be a huge blow to this city whether you want to believe that or not. You are bringing up a few fleeting moments in a 40-year span. I wonder how many people were emotionally, economically, civically, culturally or socially bettered by San Diego State in that same time span? Your point is well taken, but I don't think that this is a one institution or another situation. There is room in San Diego County (2 million people) for both the Chargers and the Aztecs and honesty it will be devastating to the San Diego Sports Industry and Culture if and when the Chargers finally do pickup and go. As much as I love my Aztecs, they are still non P-5 and by definition not in the highest levels of NCAA Football. The Chargers play NFL football, which basically speaks for itself.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 27, 2016 10:55:16 GMT -8
You are bringing up a few fleeting moments in a 40-year span. I wonder how many people were emotionally, economically, civically, culturally or socially bettered by San Diego State in that same time span? Your point is well taken, but I don't think that this is a one institution or another situation. There is room in San Diego County (2 million people) for both the Chargers and the Aztecs and honesty it will be devastating to the San Diego Sports Industry and Culture if and when the Chargers finally do pickup and go. As much as I love my Aztecs, they are still non P-5 and by definition not in the highest levels of NCAA Football. The Chargers play NFL football, which basically speaks for itself. Actually there is not enough room for SDSU & the Chargers in MV. And to be clear SDSU WEST is primarily about the research/academic/student service capacity of the future of SDSU. Sports is secondary.
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Post by aardvark on Dec 27, 2016 11:24:45 GMT -8
Your point is well taken, but I don't think that this is a one institution or another situation. There is room in San Diego County (2 million people) for both the Chargers and the Aztecs and honesty it will be devastating to the San Diego Sports Industry and Culture if and when the Chargers finally do pickup and go. As much as I love my Aztecs, they are still non P-5 and by definition not in the highest levels of NCAA Football. The Chargers play NFL football, which basically speaks for itself. Actually there is not enough room for SDSU & the Chargers in MV. And to be clear SDSU WEST is primarily about the research/academic/student service capacity of the future of SDSU. Sports is secondary. While I agree with you that the SDSU West plan could very well be the best use of the Qualcomm Stadium site, your statement at the end--"Sports is secondary."--puzzles me a bit. The main thing being talked about in that project is the ability to build a new stadium for the Aztecs. That is all most anyone on this site has talked about. For or against. That would seem to make sports at least as important as the rest of the project, if not more so.
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