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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 27, 2016 11:47:15 GMT -8
Your'e looking at it from an alum's point of view. Most people in the county don't care about SDSU. The school means nothing to them. They won't work there, their kids won't become students there, and they won't have their lives affected in any way by the school. The Chargers, on the other hand, have the potential to be a source of civic pride like nothing else can be. Just look at the excitement they brought to hundreds of thousands of people in town when they were contending to get into the Super Bowl in the late 70's and early 80's (and again a few years ago). Look at the unprecedented level of excitement this town had when they actually made it to the Super Bowl in early 1995. Over 70k people showed up to celebrate their AFC Championship Game win just hours after the game ended. Chargers logos and lightning bolts were everywhere. People who had nothing in common, people who would have otherwise distrusted each other, were hugging and high-fiving. Nothing that SDSU can do will ever even come close to that kind of emotional impact on the community. The benefits of having an NFL team in any city go far beyond merely economic. That's something that goes over the heads of a lot of SDSU alums around here. Some of you want to make it an, "Us VS Them," kind of thing, when it doesn't have to be (and shouldn't be). The Chargers are good for San Diego in ways that SDSU never can be. Losing the Chargers will be a huge blow to this city whether you want to believe that or not. I've said many times I don't care if the Chargers stay or leave so long as they vacate MV and not on the tax payers dime. Lol in regards to the rest of your post. You couldn't be more wrong and are so completely disconnected with the pulse of San Diego it's actually quite amusing. You should be aware there is a TREMENDOUS amount of support for SDSU WEST both political & public. To say most people in the county don't care about SDSU and their lives are not affected in any way by the university is just ignorant. SDSU is the #10 employer in SD, has 35,000 students (60% of which become part of the SD workforce) & has well over 200,000 alumni & growing. As just a single example about 50% of the teachers in San Diego county are SDSU grads. So, if you have any children attending public schools it is a pretty good bet their teacher(s) went to SDSU. I could go on but your logic is just too idiotic. SDSU has a bigger ripple effect on SD County than the Chargers could even fathom. Go SDSU WEST! Go AZTECS! In a county of 3 million people it is a very small percentage of the population that is impacted by SDSU. SDSU is important (VERY important), but Football attendance shows that most people in San Diego don't give a rat's ass about the school. It doesn't even unify it's own alumni for crying out loud!
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 27, 2016 11:50:36 GMT -8
Actually there is not enough room for SDSU & the Chargers in MV. And to be clear SDSU WEST is primarily about the research/academic/student service capacity of the future of SDSU. Sports is secondary. While I agree with you that the SDSU West plan could very well be the best use of the Qualcomm Stadium site, your statement at the end--"Sports is secondary."--puzzles me a bit. The main thing being talked about in that project is the ability to build a new stadium for the Aztecs. That is all most anyone on this site has talked about. For or against. That would seem to make sports at least as important as the rest of the project, if not more so. SDSU WEST has always been about the academic/research growth of SDSU. Of course most on this site will focus on the sports aspect because it is a sports message board. Of course the stadium is an important part of SDSU WEST but it is by no means more important than the academic/research plans of SDSU WEST.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 27, 2016 11:54:19 GMT -8
I've said many times I don't care if the Chargers stay or leave so long as they vacate MV and not on the tax payers dime. Lol in regards to the rest of your post. You couldn't be more wrong and are so completely disconnected with the pulse of San Diego it's actually quite amusing. You should be aware there is a TREMENDOUS amount of support for SDSU WEST both political & public. To say most people in the county don't care about SDSU and their lives are not affected in any way by the university is just ignorant. SDSU is the #10 employer in SD, has 35,000 students (60% of which become part of the SD workforce) & has well over 200,000 alumni & growing. As just a single example about 50% of the teachers in San Diego county are SDSU grads. So, if you have any children attending public schools it is a pretty good bet their teacher(s) went to SDSU. I could go on but your logic is just too idiotic. SDSU has a bigger ripple effect on SD County than the Chargers could even fathom. Go SDSU WEST! Go AZTECS! In a county of 3 million people it is a very small percentage of the population that is impacted by SDSU. SDSU is important (VERY important), but Football attendance shows that most people in San Diego don't give a rat's ass about the school. It doesn't even unify it's own alumni for crying out loud! Good GOD! SDSU & SDSU WEST is not prinarily about sports! If you can understand that you might be able to comprehend the concept of the university. Go SDSU WEST! Go Aztecs!
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Dec 27, 2016 12:01:05 GMT -8
I've said many times I don't care if the Chargers stay or leave so long as they vacate MV and not on the tax payers dime. Lol in regards to the rest of your post. You couldn't be more wrong and are so completely disconnected with the pulse of San Diego it's actually quite amusing. You should be aware there is a TREMENDOUS amount of support for SDSU WEST both political & public. To say most people in the county don't care about SDSU and their lives are not affected in any way by the university is just ignorant. SDSU is the #10 employer in SD, has 35,000 students (60% of which become part of the SD workforce) & has well over 200,000 alumni & growing. As just a single example about 50% of the teachers in San Diego county are SDSU grads. So, if you have any children attending public schools it is a pretty good bet their teacher(s) went to SDSU. I could go on but your logic is just too idiotic. SDSU has a bigger ripple effect on SD County than the Chargers could even fathom. Go SDSU WEST! Go AZTECS! In a county of 3 million people it is a very small percentage of the population that is impacted by SDSU. SDSU is important (VERY important), but Football attendance shows that most people in San Diego don't give a rat's ass about the school. It doesn't even unify it's own alumni for crying out loud! You are mixing up overall impact vs. sports impact. Are you trying to say that the Chargers have a larger overall impact than SDSU? What about UCSD which doesn't even compete at the division 1 level and probably has a zero sports impact in SD. The total impact of both schools probably counts for 10s of thousands of high paying jobs in SD county. How many jobs do the chargers bring? SDSU West will contribute to the total impact with added research, housing, and class space. Sports is secondary.
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Dec 27, 2016 12:05:48 GMT -8
In a county of 3 million people it is a very small percentage of the population that is impacted by SDSU. SDSU is important (VERY important), but Football attendance shows that most people in San Diego don't give a rat's ass about the school. It doesn't even unify it's own alumni for crying out loud! You are mixing up overall impact vs. sports impact. Are you trying to say that the Chargers have a larger overall impact than SDSU? What about UCSD which doesn't even compete at the division 1 level and probably has a zero sports impact in SD. The total impact of both schools probably counts for 10s of thousands of high paying jobs in SD county. How many jobs do the chargers bring? SDSU West will contribute to the total impact with added research, housing, and class space. Sports is secondary. What's UCSD? Is that the Chargers farm team?
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Post by hoobs on Dec 27, 2016 12:24:39 GMT -8
Wow. Such myopia among some people. The Chargers were dominant for about 5 years with Philip Rivers, making it to the AFC Championship game at least once. That was within the last 10 years. How quickly some people forget... And exactly WHO is being myopic? Most people don't really care that much about sports. Among the minority of SD-area residents who care about sports, not all care that much about the NFL. Among that diminished minority, not all NFL fans in the SD-area care a rat's a** about the Chargers... they root for the Raiders, Cowboys, Packers, Steelers, etc. I suggest that you are being not only myopic yourself, but hypocritical as well by trying to call out others.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 27, 2016 12:43:59 GMT -8
In a county of 3 million people it is a very small percentage of the population that is impacted by SDSU. SDSU is important (VERY important), but Football attendance shows that most people in San Diego don't give a rat's ass about the school. It doesn't even unify it's own alumni for crying out loud! You are mixing up overall impact vs. sports impact. Are you trying to say that the Chargers have a larger overall impact than SDSU? What about UCSD which doesn't even compete at the division 1 level and probably has a zero sports impact in SD. The total impact of both schools probably counts for 10s of thousands of high paying jobs in SD county. How many jobs do the chargers bring? SDSU West will contribute to the total impact with added research, housing, and class space. Sports is secondary. There are cultural benefits that go far beyond economic.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 27, 2016 12:46:58 GMT -8
In a county of 3 million people it is a very small percentage of the population that is impacted by SDSU. SDSU is important (VERY important), but Football attendance shows that most people in San Diego don't give a rat's ass about the school. It doesn't even unify it's own alumni for crying out loud! You are mixing up overall impact vs. sports impact. Are you trying to say that the Chargers have a larger overall impact than SDSU? What about UCSD which doesn't even compete at the division 1 level and probably has a zero sports impact in SD. The total impact of both schools probably counts for 10s of thousands of high paying jobs in SD county. How many jobs do the chargers bring? SDSU West will contribute to the total impact with added research, housing, and class space. Sports is secondary. This! Thank you!
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Post by bolt1963 on Dec 27, 2016 12:49:00 GMT -8
Wow. Such myopia among some people. The Chargers were dominant for about 5 years with Philip Rivers, making it to the AFC Championship game at least once. That was within the last 10 years. How quickly some people forget... And exactly WHO is being myopic? Most people don't really care that much about sports. Among the minority of SD-area residents who care about sports, not all care that much about the NFL. Among that diminished minority, not all NFL fans in the SD-area care a rat's a** about the Chargers... they root for the Raiders, Cowboys, Packers, Steelers, etc. I suggest that you are being not only myopic yourself, but hypocritical as well by trying to call out others. Said this many times, but Chargers games historically hold over 50% of the TV s that are on in San Diego. The top rated TV shows are Chargers games by such a wide margin over anything else, including the Oscar's, etc. And civic pride and/or chamber of Commerce value extends well beyond whether the Chargers are in the Super Bowl. A lot of hyperbole from both sides the last page.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 27, 2016 12:49:06 GMT -8
You are mixing up overall impact vs. sports impact. Are you trying to say that the Chargers have a larger overall impact than SDSU? What about UCSD which doesn't even compete at the division 1 level and probably has a zero sports impact in SD. The total impact of both schools probably counts for 10s of thousands of high paying jobs in SD county. How many jobs do the chargers bring? SDSU West will contribute to the total impact with added research, housing, and class space. Sports is secondary. There are cultural benefits that go far beyond economic. Same can be said for SDSU. That includes sports and a whole host of other culturally related topics at the university.
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Post by aardvark on Dec 27, 2016 12:55:15 GMT -8
While I agree with you that the SDSU West plan could very well be the best use of the Qualcomm Stadium site, your statement at the end--"Sports is secondary."--puzzles me a bit. The main thing being talked about in that project is the ability to build a new stadium for the Aztecs. That is all most anyone on this site has talked about. For or against. That would seem to make sports at least as important as the rest of the project, if not more so. SDSU WEST has always been about the academic/research growth of SDSU. Of course most on this site will focus on the sports aspect because it is a sports message board. Of course the stadium is an important part of SDSU WEST but it is by no means more important than the academic/research plans of SDSU WEST. That may be true, but the first thing that will happen on that site, IMHO, will be the construction of a new stadium for SDSU football.
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Post by hoobs on Dec 27, 2016 13:30:31 GMT -8
SDSU WEST has always been about the academic/research growth of SDSU. Of course most on this site will focus on the sports aspect because it is a sports message board. Of course the stadium is an important part of SDSU WEST but it is by no means more important than the academic/research plans of SDSU WEST. That may be true, but the first thing that will happen on that site, IMHO, will be the construction of a new stadium for SDSU football. Likely true, but mostly because tearing down the Q is a critical piece to the overall redevelopment of the site... and obviously we have to build the new stadium before tearing down the Q. But we're really splitting hairs on this point. In the long run, SDSU West will do more for the University from an academic perspective than it with for athletics. Most folks currently talking about the issue are just strongly biased towards sports, and football in particular.
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Post by hoobs on Dec 27, 2016 13:32:55 GMT -8
And exactly WHO is being myopic? Most people don't really care that much about sports. Among the minority of SD-area residents who care about sports, not all care that much about the NFL. Among that diminished minority, not all NFL fans in the SD-area care a rat's a** about the Chargers... they root for the Raiders, Cowboys, Packers, Steelers, etc. I suggest that you are being not only myopic yourself, but hypocritical as well by trying to call out others. Said this many times, but Chargers games historically hold over 50% of the TV s that are on in San Diego. The top rated TV shows are Chargers games by such a wide margin over anything else, including the Oscar's, etc. And civic pride and/or chamber of Commerce value extends well beyond whether the Chargers are in the Super Bowl. A lot of hyperbole from both sides the last page. What is "historically" and what have the Chargers' TV ratings been this season? How do those numbers compare to other NFL team home markets? I ask because I suspect SD falls at or near the bottom.
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Post by SD Johnny on Dec 27, 2016 13:38:49 GMT -8
And exactly WHO is being myopic? Most people don't really care that much about sports. Among the minority of SD-area residents who care about sports, not all care that much about the NFL. Among that diminished minority, not all NFL fans in the SD-area care a rat's a** about the Chargers... they root for the Raiders, Cowboys, Packers, Steelers, etc. I suggest that you are being not only myopic yourself, but hypocritical as well by trying to call out others. Said this many times, but Chargers games historically hold over 50% of the TV s that are on in San Diego. The top rated TV shows are Chargers games by such a wide margin over anything else, including the Oscar's, etc. And civic pride and/or chamber of Commerce value extends well beyond whether the Chargers are in the Super Bowl. A lot of hyperbole from both sides the last page. Last years season averaged 27% of viewers. www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/chargers/sdut-chargers-mccoy-2015nov30-story,amp.html I'd love to see your link showing more than 50%.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Dec 27, 2016 13:58:02 GMT -8
Yeah, this isn't your best argument. If all he cared about was $$$ (or at least the pursuit of it), he would have moved the team a long time ago. He is the one who likes living in San Diego; it is rumored to be his siblings and possibly his children who want to move the team. The other thing against your argument is that a huge asset value bump is no longer a slam dunk. The Rams got there first. No one in LA cares about the Chargers. The team stinks. He can only afford (and with loans) to go as a tenant. There is a non-zero risk that he could take a financial bath if he moves to LA and has to sell the team because conditions stay the same or worsen. Your better angle is - inherited owner/incompetent businessman. His siblings, who own equal shares, but not involved with the team, wants the move. I think his sons were born in SD, and are against the move. SD is their home. According to Matt Lewis of the Reader, that's incorrect. Lewis said Dean Spanos' top priority is to remain in SD but his sons' is to increase the value of the franchise so they want to move the team. Considering they're multi-millionaires and that LAX is less than 10 miles from the new stadium in Inglewood, it wouldn't be difficult for Dean to stay in SD and the team to move to L.A. with Dean being able to easily attend every home game anyway and does he really need to move to L.A. to do the limited management of the team he's been doing? Announcement of the move should come 6-18 days from now.
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Post by AzTex on Dec 27, 2016 15:02:01 GMT -8
That may be true, but the first thing that will happen on that site, IMHO, will be the construction of a new stadium for SDSU football. Likely true, but mostly because tearing down the Q is a critical piece to the overall redevelopment of the site... and obviously we have to build the new stadium before tearing down the Q. But we're really splitting hairs on this point. In the long run, SDSU West will do more for the University from an academic perspective than it with for athletics. Most folks currently talking about the issue are just strongly biased towards sports, and football in particular. The new Aztec stadium is the sizzle that will sell the steak (SDSU West) to those who don't understand and/or aren't interested in the other huge economic benefits of SDSU West.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 27, 2016 15:08:05 GMT -8
SDSU WEST has always been about the academic/research growth of SDSU. Of course most on this site will focus on the sports aspect because it is a sports message board. Of course the stadium is an important part of SDSU WEST but it is by no means more important than the academic/research plans of SDSU WEST. That may be true, but the first thing that will happen on that site, IMHO, will be the construction of a new stadium for SDSU football. You are 100% correct! Go SDSU WEST! Go Aztecs!
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Post by standiego on Dec 27, 2016 15:57:53 GMT -8
Are there stats on how much money is brought into SD from the P Bowl or more importantly the Holiday Bowl . Would suggest SD City Council will want a facility that can hold at least 45 ,0000 or more to keep the bowl games here and not lose them also to LA ?
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Dec 27, 2016 16:26:20 GMT -8
Are there stats on how much money is brought into SD from the P Bowl or more importantly the Holiday Bowl . Would suggest SD City Council will want a facility that can hold at least 45 ,0000 or more to keep the bowl games here and not lose them also to LA ? Looking at the crowd at the Hbowl, not looking good. Maybe it fills in, but looks a lot like the PBowl.
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Post by aardvark on Dec 27, 2016 16:52:20 GMT -8
Are there stats on how much money is brought into SD from the P Bowl or more importantly the Holiday Bowl . Would suggest SD City Council will want a facility that can hold at least 45 ,0000 or more to keep the bowl games here and not lose them also to LA ? This. 45k and expandable for events such as the bowl games (which SDSU could make money on if operating the facility--more money if they could somehow sell alcohol), and also the ability to make the facility more intimate (such as for MLS that some people seem to think will arrive with this new facility).
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