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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jan 11, 2017 17:17:56 GMT -8
Lol @ you even suggesting to compare the Michigans & Ohio States of the world to SDSU! Memphis has been a historically bad football program? And BYU is not a G5 they are independent & are viewed by many P5's as a P5 opponent. Sorry to be punchy about this, but look genius, read the thread above. Fanhood asked about programs that play in large stadiums. That was the question I was responding to. It was a valid question. And no, I was not comparing SDSU to those programs. IMO there is no reason to believe that we cannot fill a 50k stadium on a consistent basis. That is what I hope for our program. If that occurred in a 55-60k stadium we will be just fine. I don't ever see us filling a 50K stadium on a consistent basis. Perhaps if a miracle occurs and we get a PAC invite but that's it. Just watch a couple of Pitt games & you will see exactly what an SDSU game would look like in a new NFL stadium except the Panthers draw more fans than the Aztecs would; not a good look or atmosphere. Yes you are a honer; nothing wrong with that. 50K would be the absolute max for an SDSU stadium.
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Post by pbnative on Jan 11, 2017 18:41:01 GMT -8
We are a G5 program. Thus, there is a perception that we are playing a lower level of football against lesser quality of teams. Thus, the attendance is driven down. If we played in the Pac 12, we would immediately increase our average attendance by 50%. With that, we do not have an attendance issue (averaged 38,000 this year), we have a stadium one. The perfect size is 42,000 to 45,000. Honestly, if we build a 60k stadium it would be quite easy to tarp 15k seats and have a full house. I dont think this is a big deal at all. A winning program and quality schedule will affect fans more. I'm sure SDSU would love to build a 50,000 - 60,000 seat stadium, but the issue is $$$, and the cost of adding the extra 20,000 seats. look at Stanford's new stadium... upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/2008-1115-006-USC-Stanford-PAN.jpg/900px-2008-1115-006-USC-Stanford-PAN.jpgThe 2nd level seats probably cost more than double to build what the lower main bowl cost due to engineering and added materials for structural requirements. The nice thing with a design like that is is wouldn't be hard to design a multi level stadium like that, but scale back the initial build and plan it in phases. Phase 1 - build the initial cost effective lower 32,000 seat bowl, then as finances allow add on sections of an upper level to increase capacity.
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Post by badfish on Jan 11, 2017 18:55:40 GMT -8
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Post by bolt1963 on Jan 11, 2017 19:02:32 GMT -8
Welp. Hope you guys can get it done and get it done fast.
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Post by fanhood on Jan 11, 2017 19:06:04 GMT -8
Boom. See ya. Aztec West here we come.
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Post by fanhood on Jan 11, 2017 19:06:31 GMT -8
Welp. Hope you guys can get it done and get it done fast. Told ya Bolt man.
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Post by fanhood on Jan 11, 2017 19:11:47 GMT -8
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Post by bolt1963 on Jan 11, 2017 19:16:22 GMT -8
Welp. Hope you guys can get it done and get it done fast. Told ya Bolt man. Again, hope you guys get it done and maybe San Diego can retain the bowls. I am less upset about losing the NFL than I am what a minor league City San Diego is. Just pathetic. Oh well.
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Post by bolt1963 on Jan 11, 2017 19:25:57 GMT -8
By the way - this just encapsulates the Spanos run Chargers to a tee.
The Chargers have notified NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, and other league owners, of their intent to move to Los Angeles for the 2017 season, sources said.
But as one league source cautioned Wednesday night, Chargers chairman Dean Spanos has yet to send a formal relocation letter to the NFL, yet to notify public officials in Los Angeles or San Diego of the team's move, or even tell the members of the San Diego organization about his plans. The source insisted nothing is final.
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Post by aztecbolt on Jan 11, 2017 19:30:16 GMT -8
It's going to be a ton of debt they're getting into to move to LA. I don't see how it works out for them. Hoping they play in front of empty stadiums, Rivers announces his retirement tomorrow and they go 0-16.
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Post by fanhood on Jan 11, 2017 19:32:59 GMT -8
By the way - this just encapsulates the Spanos run Chargers to a tee. The Chargers have notified NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, and other league owners, of their intent to move to Los Angeles for the 2017 season, sources said. But as one league source cautioned Wednesday night, Chargers chairman Dean Spanos has yet to send a formal relocation letter to the NFL, yet to notify public officials in Los Angeles or San Diego of the team's move, or even tell the members of the San Diego organization about his plans. The source insisted nothing is final. Oh well is right. The Bolts won't be missed, and some Bowl Game will be played at Aztec Warrior Stadium. This might have been the greatest football season in years. Championship. Eleven win season. Big Bowl win. Top 25 ranking. Chargers get the hell out of town, and SDSU West is born. See ya!
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Post by bolt1963 on Jan 11, 2017 19:51:49 GMT -8
It's going to be a ton of debt they're getting into to move to LA. I don't see how it works out for them. Hoping they play in front of empty stadiums, Rivers announces his retirement tomorrow and they go 0-16. Yeah. The San Diego Charger fans in Los Angeles don't even want them. Just listened to by brother echo your sentiments exactly - and he lives in El Segundo. Going to be a massive fail all around. The NFL team without a fan base. If I watch the NFL going forward- think I'll be a fan of 11 teams every season. Hope they lose every game.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jan 11, 2017 20:24:19 GMT -8
Welp. Hope you guys can get it done and get it done fast. Me too.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jan 11, 2017 20:25:50 GMT -8
Again, hope you guys get it done and maybe San Diego can retain the bowls. I am less upset about losing the NFL than I am what a minor league City San Diego is. Just pathetic. Oh well. Poinsettia will remain but I am doubtful about the Holiday Bowl.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 11, 2017 20:31:36 GMT -8
Again, hope you guys get it done and maybe San Diego can retain the bowls. I am less upset about losing the NFL than I am what a minor league City San Diego is. Just pathetic. Oh well. Poinsettia will remain but I am doubtful about the Holiday Bowl. Holiday Bowl hasn't been what it was for around 10 years. Alamo Bowl is Holiday Bowl 2.0.
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Post by bolt1963 on Jan 11, 2017 20:36:58 GMT -8
Poinsettia will remain but I am doubtful about the Holiday Bowl. Holiday Bowl hasn't been what it was for around 10 years. Alamo Bowl is Holiday Bowl 2.0. San Antonio is a **** hole, but the river walk where the alamodome is... Is exactly what should be in Mission Valley. Just so sad
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Post by fanhood on Jan 11, 2017 20:47:47 GMT -8
Holiday Bowl hasn't been what it was for around 10 years. Alamo Bowl is Holiday Bowl 2.0. San Antonio is a **** hole, but the river walk where the alamodome is... Is exactly what should be in Mission Valley. Just so sad Hey Bolt Man, are you going to come see a few games at Aztec Warrior Stadium, and enjoy a great day of tailgating in the new Montezuma Pavilion?
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 11, 2017 21:20:59 GMT -8
It's going to be a ton of debt they're getting into to move to LA. I don't see how it works out for them. Hoping they play in front of empty stadiums, Rivers announces his retirement tomorrow and they go 0-16. He was going to go into debt one way or the other. Pay $650M relo fee or paying back the G4 loans ($300M) and the Chargers portion ($200-300M) of the construction of a new stadium in San Diego. Everyone always treated that G4 Loan from the NFL as some gift, it was a loan. I think that is a wash for the Chargers, attendance will be a problem, but the NFL is now a TV league with a very small portion of the revenue being driven from butts in seats. Which is why I always think it is strange that they want 65K+ venues. I mean, I personally would have felt different about State working with the Chargers on a 50K stadium in MV. I think the attendance numbers for all sports are declining as people would rather watch on TV. Why do they need so many seats? The size and cantilevering requirement is what spikes the crap out of construction costs. Dean should have a visionary and built a 50K stadium where he could raise prices and limit the ability of opposing fans taking over. It would have helped get State on Board especially if he embraced MV. In the end, the Chargers always felt they were entitled to a new stadium. All he had to do was follow the Moores - Luchino model and they would have gotten over 50% of the vote. The Hubris not to use that playbook cost ole Deano, not to mention that when given the chance they always displayed absolute greed. Maybe that absolute greed is what drove this bad decision as well.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 11, 2017 21:35:15 GMT -8
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Jan 11, 2017 21:36:30 GMT -8
I think that the LA Chargers will draw just about as many fans as they did in SD...10-20K hometown fans and 30-40K in opposing team fans...(and there is a lot more opposing team fans in LA than in SD)
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