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Post by fanhood on Jan 11, 2017 13:21:54 GMT -8
There is zero risk of SDSU losing or downgrading its football team. SDSU is one of the most highly applied to Universities in the nation, and they do not want to risk that. (Yes it has been statistically proven that football is one of the major reasons students across America apply to schools) The Flagship University of the CSU system is not going to relegate itself to a lower Athletics conference. It has been said by President Weber and President Hirshman, as well as Jim Sterk that there are other locations to build. However, the best option is obviously Mission Valley. If the Chargers leave, SDSU gets Mission Valley. If the Chargers go to Downtown, SDSU gets Mission Valley. If the Chargers stay in Mission Valley, and SDSU could become a "partner" there, apparently this is an option. Any belief that the program is at risks shows an inability to weigh the current landscape of university politics as well as athletics, and make educated statements. Back to work. You don't have to convince me a football program can be the front porch of a University. I agree there is value - regardless if they are quantifiable metrics. (same argument for people who don't believe the Chargers bring value to San Diego). You will get an argument from me "there is zero risk". Group of 5 programs have a hard enough time as it is - when faced with how much it's going to cost the University to build a stadium and carry a football program - again - you could find your leaders decide it doesn't pencil out. Where you believe there is zero risk - I believe there is zero guarantee. San Diego State and the Cal State application process have much more to do with your applications than SDSU vs. MWC programs in football. Dropping down from the FBS arms race - moving to the WCC and fighting it out with Gonzaga for basketball supremacy may make more sense. Is it likely to happen? I'd never go that far and don't wish it at all. But the Chargers are the boogeyman narrative and they can GTFO -- be careful what you wish for. Cliche? Sure. Doesn't mean it doesn't apply. I guess "anything" could happen, and SDSU could drop football, but all evidence refutes that notion, making it highly unlikely. Hell, I could go broke tomorrow, but my habits, objectives and business interests suggest that I won't.
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Post by jdgaucho on Jan 11, 2017 14:17:28 GMT -8
Alum '03, no worries on that last part. UC San Diego will likely fill in the gap anyways,
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Post by rebar619 on Jan 11, 2017 14:34:20 GMT -8
Uh, no. This program will always struggle playing in a huge NFL stadium. Everyone knows that. This is an option, but never option one. But don't want to be out of options either. Im curious why our program will always struggle in an NFL stadium. Last I checked many NCAA programs play in much bigger stadiums. So if (big if) SDSU was go get ads/concessions/parking/etc, why would we struggle in an NFL stadium? Seems to me the game day experience has the potential to be better than most facilities in the country. For a starting point, lets assume the stadium in question seats 60k.
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Post by fanhood on Jan 11, 2017 14:46:16 GMT -8
Uh, no. This program will always struggle playing in a huge NFL stadium. Everyone knows that. This is an option, but never option one. But don't want to be out of options either. Im curious why our program will always struggle in an NFL stadium. Last I checked many NCAA programs play in much bigger stadiums. So if (big if) SDSU was go get ads/concessions/parking/etc, why would we struggle in an NFL stadium? Seems to me the game day experience has the potential to be better than most facilities in the country. For a starting point, lets assume the stadium in question seats 60k. Only way sharing an NFL stadium works is if it is no larger than 52k a year, just like the old Murph. In regards to programs that play in much bigger stadiums than suits their needs. Name one that has a good atmosphere?
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Post by pbaztec17 on Jan 11, 2017 14:52:29 GMT -8
Just curious, several college stadiums hold 100,000+ people and overflow every game.
Now, i am under no delusion that we will get 100k at games, but if we blow up and start drawing 60k, whats wrong with an nfl stadium? Are the college environments better because the stadiums are s#!++y? Im thinking of beaver stadium (what an experience that was by the way)
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Post by aardvark on Jan 11, 2017 14:56:19 GMT -8
Date extended to January 17th due to the weekend and holiday. The only reason the date was extended--the second weekend of the NFL playoffs. No other reason. The relocation circus will not interfere with the playoffs.
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Post by fanhood on Jan 11, 2017 15:04:59 GMT -8
Just curious, several college stadiums hold 100,000+ people and overflow every game. Now, i am under no delusion that we will get 100k at games, but if we blow up and start drawing 60k, whats wrong with an nfl stadium? Are the college environments better because the stadiums are s#!++y? Im thinking of beaver stadium (what an experience that was by the way) We are a G5 program. Thus, there is a perception that we are playing a lower level of football against lesser quality of teams. Thus, the attendance is driven down. If we played in the Pac 12, we would immediately increase our average attendance by 50%. With that, we do not have an attendance issue (averaged 38,000 this year), we have a stadium one. The perfect size is 42,000 to 45,000.
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Post by rebar619 on Jan 11, 2017 15:41:11 GMT -8
Im curious why our program will always struggle in an NFL stadium. Last I checked many NCAA programs play in much bigger stadiums. So if (big if) SDSU was go get ads/concessions/parking/etc, why would we struggle in an NFL stadium? Seems to me the game day experience has the potential to be better than most facilities in the country. For a starting point, lets assume the stadium in question seats 60k. Only way sharing an NFL stadium works is if it is no larger than 52k a year, just like the old Murph. In regards to programs that play in much bigger stadiums than suits their needs. Name one that has a good atmosphere? I will let you just gander at the list and let you determine which have good atmosphere: linkIMO it is safe to say all that are over 100k have a pretty good atmosphere...
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Post by rebar619 on Jan 11, 2017 15:44:51 GMT -8
Just curious, several college stadiums hold 100,000+ people and overflow every game. Now, i am under no delusion that we will get 100k at games, but if we blow up and start drawing 60k, whats wrong with an nfl stadium? Are the college environments better because the stadiums are s#!++y? Im thinking of beaver stadium (what an experience that was by the way) We are a G5 program. Thus, there is a perception that we are playing a lower level of football against lesser quality of teams. Thus, the attendance is driven down. If we played in the Pac 12, we would immediately increase our average attendance by 50%. With that, we do not have an attendance issue (averaged 38,000 this year), we have a stadium one. The perfect size is 42,000 to 45,000. Honestly, if we build a 60k stadium it would be quite easy to tarp 15k seats and have a full house. I dont think this is a big deal at all. A winning program and quality schedule will affect fans more.
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Post by rebar619 on Jan 11, 2017 15:47:47 GMT -8
Just curious, several college stadiums hold 100,000+ people and overflow every game. Now, i am under no delusion that we will get 100k at games, but if we blow up and start drawing 60k, whats wrong with an nfl stadium? Are the college environments better because the stadiums are s#!++y? Im thinking of beaver stadium (what an experience that was by the way) We are a G5 program. Thus, there is a perception that we are playing a lower level of football against lesser quality of teams. Thus, the attendance is driven down. If we played in the Pac 12, we would immediately increase our average attendance by 50%. With that, we do not have an attendance issue (averaged 38,000 this year), we have a stadium one. The perfect size is 42,000 to 45,000. FWIW BYU and Memphis both have stadiums over 60k. Not sure the G5 program excuse really works.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 11, 2017 15:49:59 GMT -8
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jan 11, 2017 15:58:35 GMT -8
Uh, no. This program will always struggle playing in a huge NFL stadium. Everyone knows that. This is an option, but never option one. But don't want to be out of options either. Im curious why our program will always struggle in an NFL stadium. Last I checked many NCAA programs play in much bigger stadiums. So if (big if) SDSU was go get ads/concessions/parking/etc, why would we struggle in an NFL stadium? Seems to me the game day experience has the potential to be better than most facilities in the country. For a starting point, lets assume the stadium in question seats 60k. We have been over this numerous times on this board. It would be similar to Pitt & the Steelers @ Heinz. We wound mirror that program to a degree except Pitt is a P5 & we are not. It wouldn't be great. Just tune in to a Pitt game sometime. The atmosphere is typically not that great and the Panthers are just a middle of the road team in the ACC.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jan 11, 2017 16:14:08 GMT -8
We are a G5 program. Thus, there is a perception that we are playing a lower level of football against lesser quality of teams. Thus, the attendance is driven down. If we played in the Pac 12, we would immediately increase our average attendance by 50%. With that, we do not have an attendance issue (averaged 38,000 this year), we have a stadium one. The perfect size is 42,000 to 45,000. Honestly, if we build a 60k stadium it would be quite easy to tarp 15k seats and have a full house. I dont think this is a big deal at all. A winning program and quality schedule will affect fans more. If the Chargers/NFL want to build a 65K+ stadium in MV & fund it go right ahead but SDSU shouldn't put in any money. They should take their $100 million seed money and begin fund raising for a 40K on campus stadium & rent for the next 10+ years. We will be in court for at least a decade but one thing SDSU has is time. Been here for over 100 years & SDSU will be here for 100 more. I can't say the same for the Chargers or if the NFL will even be a viable league a century from now. This is what SDSU should have started to do 10-20 years ago.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jan 11, 2017 16:28:16 GMT -8
Only way sharing an NFL stadium works is if it is no larger than 52k a year, just like the old Murph. In regards to programs that play in much bigger stadiums than suits their needs. Name one that has a good atmosphere? I will let you just gander at the list and let you determine which have good atmosphere: linkIMO it is safe to say all that are over 100k have a pretty good atmosphere... Lol @ you even suggesting to compare the Michigans & Ohio States of the world to SDSU! Memphis has been a historically bad football program? And BYU is not a G5 they are independent & are viewed by many P5's as a P5 opponent.
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Post by rebar619 on Jan 11, 2017 16:36:11 GMT -8
Honestly, if we build a 60k stadium it would be quite easy to tarp 15k seats and have a full house. I dont think this is a big deal at all. A winning program and quality schedule will affect fans more. If the Chargers/NFL want to build a 65K+ stadium in MV & fund it go right ahead but SDSU shouldn't put in any money. They should take their $100 million seed money and begin fund raising for a 40K on campus stadium & rent for the next 10+ years. We will be in court for at least a decade but one thing SDSU has is time. Been here for over 100 years & SDSU will be here for 100 more. I can't say the same for the Chargers or if the NFL will even be a viable league a century from now. This is what SDSU should have started to do 10-20 years ago. Try to stay on point. The heart of this side talk is about the size of the stadium. It has been alleged that SDSU would struggle in an NFL stadium and I do no think that is the fact at all. The game day atmosphere we experience at the Q is due to the layout of the stadium, not necessarily the size. If we were to play in a 60k stadium built for FB only and had lighting/signage adaptable to the team playing there is no reason why we couldnt be just as successful as in a stadium that is 35k. Again, this is predicated that we would have ad, concessions, parking, etc.
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Post by fanhood on Jan 11, 2017 16:48:20 GMT -8
If the Chargers/NFL want to build a 65K+ stadium in MV & fund it go right ahead but SDSU shouldn't put in any money. They should take their $100 million seed money and begin fund raising for a 40K on campus stadium & rent for the next 10+ years. We will be in court for at least a decade but one thing SDSU has is time. Been here for over 100 years & SDSU will be here for 100 more. I can't say the same for the Chargers or if the NFL will even be a viable league a century from now. This is what SDSU should have started to do 10-20 years ago. Try to stay on point. The heart of this side talk is about the size of the stadium. It has been alleged that SDSU would struggle in an NFL stadium and I do no think that is the fact at all. The game day atmosphere we experience at the Q is due to the layout of the stadium, not necessarily the size. If we were to play in a 60k stadium built for FB only and had lighting/signage adaptable to the team playing there is no reason why we couldnt be just as successful as in a stadium that is 35k. Again, this is predicated that we would have ad, concessions, parking, etc. Mmmmmm.....Memphis drew less than we did thanks Year. BYU and ECU are the only G5 exception. No sense comparing is to Michigan and Ohio State. That would be like comparing the US Army to Polish Army. Both in the same league (NATO) but worlds apart when it comes to budgets, size, etc. Not trying to be a jerk, but how much do you follow CFB? I just find your reference to Memphis as well as comparing us our stadium situation to the stadiums that Ohio State and Michigan play in to be curious.
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Post by rebar619 on Jan 11, 2017 16:49:04 GMT -8
I will let you just gander at the list and let you determine which have good atmosphere: linkIMO it is safe to say all that are over 100k have a pretty good atmosphere... Lol @ you even suggesting to compare the Michigans & Ohio States of the world to SDSU! Memphis has been a historically bad football program? And BYU is not a G5 they are independent & are viewed by many P5's as a P5 opponent. Sorry to be punchy about this, but look genius, read the thread above. Fanhood asked about programs that play in large stadiums. That was the question I was responding to. It was a valid question. And no, I was not comparing SDSU to those programs. IMO there is no reason to believe that we cannot fill a 50k stadium on a consistent basis. That is what I hope for our program. If that occurred in a 55-60k stadium we will be just fine.
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Post by rebar619 on Jan 11, 2017 16:53:48 GMT -8
Try to stay on point. The heart of this side talk is about the size of the stadium. It has been alleged that SDSU would struggle in an NFL stadium and I do no think that is the fact at all. The game day atmosphere we experience at the Q is due to the layout of the stadium, not necessarily the size. If we were to play in a 60k stadium built for FB only and had lighting/signage adaptable to the team playing there is no reason why we couldnt be just as successful as in a stadium that is 35k. Again, this is predicated that we would have ad, concessions, parking, etc. Mmmmmm.....Memphis drew less than we did thanks Year. BYU and ECU are the only G5 exception. No sense comparing is to Michigan and Ohio State. That would be like comparing the US Army to Polish Army. Both in the same league (NATO) but worlds apart when it comes to budgets, size, etc. Not trying to be a jerk, but how much do you follow CFB? I just find your reference to Memphis as well as comparing us our stadium situation to the stadiums that Ohio State and Michigan play in to be curious. No, I dont take your question as being jerky. I honestly dont follow college football except for our Aztecs. That is where my interest begins and ends. While that is the case I certainly understand the pecking order in the college FB world and our place in it. You question as I took it was if it there was a program in a large stadium that has a good atmosphere. That is all I was responding to. Yes it can be done. Are we Ohio State and fill a 100k stadium? Of course not. I certainly do think that with our fanbase, good program and marketing push we could consistently fill 50k. I certainly think we can be much more than Memphis ever has been and therefore could easily justify a large stadium. Then again, I could be a homer.
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Post by fanhood on Jan 11, 2017 17:02:38 GMT -8
Agreed, we are much more than Memphis, but Memphis drew around 33k this year and his year and last was their best attendance in decades. They have been one of he worst programs in cab for years.
We are a G5 program, and until that changes we will never average over 50k a year. Next year we have a great schedule filled with intriguing games, and we will average around 42 to 45k. Huge crowds for he Sky Show and Stanford (50k) and small crowds for Friday Night games against Nevada (28k).
42,000 is perfect. With 50k or so being the ansolute largestbif forces to share win the Chargers.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jan 11, 2017 17:17:20 GMT -8
As it stands, yes, the term ends in 2018. However, if the Chargers leave SDSU would seek to be the Primary Tenant of the stadium at the discretion the City of San Diego. " Subject to the sole discretion of City, SDSU may seek primary tenant status from City if the San Diego Chargers leave Qualcomm Stadium. Regardless of primary tenant status, City shall maintain the right to contract for other events (ex. Navy v. Army game)." Current and former SDSU AD's & President's have ALL reiterated that SDSU football is not going anywhere regardless of what happens to the Chargers. As long ago as Jeff Schemmel... Schemmel said. “Clearly we'd build a stadium somewhere. We'd like to find a place on campus or close to campus if we had to.” And as recently as President Eliot Hirhman..."The threat," he says, "might be a period of uncertainty about where we play. But football is not going to go away." "We have a series of contingency plans," he says, "What the options would be depends on how this game of musical chairs ends. We are considering multiple options, let's just say that. They're promising and haven't been taken off the table." Clearly SDSU has been planning for multiple scenarios for over a decade and will implement those plans if/when the Chargers depart Mission Valley. Clearly, SDSU will seek to be the primary tenant at Qualcomm if the Chargers depart and based of Hirhman's comments would be granted that lease. After SDSU becomes the primary tentant @ the Q they will proceed to build a 30-40K SDSU stadium adjacent to Qualcomm in Mission Valley. Hirshman has already stated that they have $100 million to get started and they haven't even begun an SDSU stadium fundraising effort or proceeded with a student referendum. If SDSU becomes "partners" with the Chargers/NFL the Aztecs will want a smaller stadium that is designed for their needs, with smaller permanent seating, with a contingency for larger events. Will the Chargers/NFL acquiesce to SDSU's request? We will see. Bottom line is your lease is up in 2018 and there is no five year option the City has to abide by. Again, Qualcomm needs to be razed as soon as possible. However you want to spin that with SDSU football isn't going anywhere is fine with me and totally to be expected. For the most part, I agree. Just wouldn't feel as confident as some on this board. We know it won't pencil out for San Diego to keep Qualcomm standing and at the end of the day we don't know if it will pencil out for SDSU to keep the football program around. A lot has to fall in place in a short period of time. Your leadership should assuage fans fears. But still uncertainty abound. Outside of that - the tea leaves are saying Chargers will give this another run for 2018 with the support from all parties. If San Diego State is involved with bridging the gap - you'd think it's going to be back to Mission Valley. We'll see soon enough. Any dues SDSU would have to pay to get away from the despicable Chargers would be well worth it. Just effing play at Grossmont College for a couple years, I don't care. Fornicate the mofo Chargers and the horse they rode in on.
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