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Post by joshjones1 on Nov 3, 2010 9:39:13 GMT -8
Surprised me a little.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Nov 3, 2010 9:50:19 GMT -8
Not surprised it failed but was surprised by the margin.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2010 10:14:36 GMT -8
I'm shocked too because I was just thinking the other day that what our modern economy needs, besides an influx of illiterate agrarian peasants who can't speak English, is more slacker potheads.
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Post by joshjones1 on Nov 3, 2010 10:49:51 GMT -8
I'm shocked too because I was just thinking the other day that what our modern economy needs, besides an influx of illiterate agrarian peasants who can't speak English, is more slacker potheads. LMAO. True enough afan....but then....they're going to get it anyways. Might as well make some profit off of it. You disagree? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2010 12:07:01 GMT -8
I'm shocked too because I was just thinking the other day that what our modern economy needs, besides an influx of illiterate agrarian peasants who can't speak English, is more slacker potheads. LMAO. True enough afan....but then....they're going to get it anyways. Might as well make some profit off of it. You disagree? We as a society often confuse tolerance with acceptance. Legalizing the chronic says that society accepts smoking out as a legitimate activity and makes the state the equivalent of the pusher. This to me seems wrong. There are all sorts of activities we can legitimate for the sake of revenue and I suppose if you view your fellow citizens as nothing more than a funding source for government you can make a case for practically everything being legalized and taxed. That’s not what our laws and our government should be about IMO. I know from reading your posts that you’re the father of a young son. Congratulations! Parenthood is the most demanding and rewarding thing you will ever do in your life. Think about whether or not you would advise your son to take up weed and then think about how much harder it will be to convince him it’s a bad thing to do if they sell it at Wal-Mart. As you go through the process of rearing your young son to be a responsible, functioning citizen you’ll be thankful for all the societal help you can get in discouraging him from negative behaviors. |
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Post by Spud on Nov 3, 2010 16:48:42 GMT -8
I'm shocked too because I was just thinking the other day that what our modern economy needs, besides an influx of illiterate agrarian peasants who can't speak English, is more slacker potheads. LMAO. True enough afan....but then....they're going to get it anyways. Might as well make some profit off of it. You disagree? That's all well and good, except why would you buy weed when you can grow it yourself pretty easily? The stuff grows in ditches all by itself, not like you need some farmer growing it for you. That's the hole in the increased revenue from taxation of commercial weed argument. I'm also guessing the security measures you'd need to put into place for a weed farm would be significant to make sure your crops didn't disappear in the night! |
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 3, 2010 16:52:06 GMT -8
A big consideration for me was the problem that the Feds could cause the State where the law conlicts. We don't need another headache like that.
We could sure use the regressive revenue.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 3, 2010 19:37:36 GMT -8
I would have supported Prop 19 if it had clearly addressed all of the following.
Who can sell it.
How much they can sell to any one person at any one time.
How much any one person can buy in a month.
Who can buy it.
Where it can be sold.
What governmental agency will regulate it.
How the taxes will be collected.
How much those taxes will be.
Only a couple of those issues were addressed by Prop 19. It was poorly written and not very well thought out. I think that it was written by guys high on pot. A little more thought and planning needs to go into a legalized marijuana law.
Yes, it would clash with the Feds, but it would also lead to eventual changes at the Federal level. It might take 10 or 20 years, but once a law like I'm proposing goes on the books it knocks down the first domino.
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Post by joshjones1 on Nov 3, 2010 19:59:05 GMT -8
LMAO. True enough afan....but then....they're going to get it anyways. Might as well make some profit off of it. You disagree? We as a society often confuse tolerance with acceptance. Legalizing the chronic says that society accepts smoking out as a legitimate activity and makes the state the equivalent of the pusher. This to me seems wrong. There are all sorts of activities we can legitimate for the sake of revenue and I suppose if you view your fellow citizens as nothing more than a funding source for government you can make a case for practically everything being legalized and taxed. That’s not what our laws and our government should be about IMO. I know from reading your posts that you’re the father of a young son. Congratulations! Parenthood is the most demanding and rewarding thing you will ever do in your life. Think about whether or not you would advise your son to take up weed and then think about how much harder it will be to convince him it’s a bad thing to do if they sell it at Wal-Mart. As you go through the process of rearing your young son to be a responsible, functioning citizen you’ll be thankful for all the societal help you can get in discouraging him from negative behaviors. A daughter actually.  But thanks, bud. |
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Post by joshjones1 on Nov 3, 2010 19:59:42 GMT -8
I would have supported Prop 19 if it had clearly addressed all of the following. Who can sell it. How much they can sell to any one person at any one time. How much any one person can buy in a month. Who can buy it. Where it can be sold. What governmental agency will regulate it. How the taxes will be collected. How much those taxes will be. Only a couple of those issues were addressed by Prop 19. It was poorly written and not very well thought out. I think that it was written by guys high on pot. A little more thought and planning needs to go into a legalized marijuana law. Yes, it would clash with the Feds, but it would also lead to eventual changes at the Federal level. It might take 10 or 20 years, but once a law like I'm proposing goes on the books it knocks down the first domino. Great post...my thoughts exactly. |
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Post by joshjones1 on Nov 3, 2010 20:05:52 GMT -8
LMAO. True enough afan....but then....they're going to get it anyways. Might as well make some profit off of it. You disagree? That's all well and good, except why would you buy weed when you can grow it yourself pretty easily? The stuff grows in ditches all by itself, not like you need some farmer growing it for you. That's the hole in the increased revenue from taxation of commercial weed argument. I'm also guessing the security measures you'd need to put into place for a weed farm would be significant to make sure your crops didn't disappear in the night! You'd be surprised. I know of quite a few potheads. I only know one personally who grows. None of my friends that toke said they would grow it if it was legal. They were hoping the price would drop due to higher supply. Potheads are lazy. I don't smoke the stuff, but it wouldn't have really bothered me if it passed. |
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Nov 4, 2010 7:09:35 GMT -8
LMAO. True enough afan....but then....they're going to get it anyways. Might as well make some profit off of it. You disagree? As you go through the process of rearing your young son to be a responsible, functioning citizen you’ll be thankful for all the societal help you can get in discouraging him from negative behaviors. So you are in the "It takes a village to raise a child" camp? |
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Post by aztec70 on Nov 4, 2010 7:12:10 GMT -8
You would have to have been stoned to think it would pass.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Nov 4, 2010 7:17:26 GMT -8
You would have to have been stoned to think it would pass. The only reason it failed was that all the potheads "forgot" to go to the polls on Tuesday. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2010 10:10:20 GMT -8
As you go through the process of rearing your young son to be a responsible, functioning citizen you’ll be thankful for all the societal help you can get in discouraging him from negative behaviors. So you are in the "It takes a village to raise a child" camp? No. I'm in the it takes parents to raise a child camp but it helps if the village isn't populated with dopers, douchebags and pornographers. And it's really helpful if the village chieftains aren't dope pushers. |
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Nov 4, 2010 11:16:12 GMT -8
So you are in the "It takes a village to raise a child" camp? No. I'm in the it takes parents to raise a child camp but it helps if the village isn't populated with dopers, douchebags and pornographers. And it's really helpful if the village chieftains aren't dope pushers. In other words, it doesn't take a village, it takes a strong federal Government. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2010 14:14:50 GMT -8
No. I'm in the it takes parents to raise a child camp but it helps if the village isn't populated with dopers, douchebags and pornographers. And it's really helpful if the village chieftains aren't dope pushers. In other words, it doesn't take a village, it takes a strong federal Government. This is a discussion about citizenship. Serfs like you have no place in it nor could you possibly understand the concept of how free men are to act in free societies. Run along now and pay your tribute before the king takes your Oxen. |
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Nov 4, 2010 14:53:50 GMT -8
In other words, it doesn't take a village, it takes a strong federal Government. This is a discussion about citizenship. Serfs like you have no place in it nor could you possibly understand the concept of how free men are to act in free societies. Run along now and pay your tribute before the king takes your Oxen. As I suspected, you're one of the Freedom Fighters who believe in limited government, until those freedoms lead to things you don't like. You don't want government intruding in your life, but want to make sure they are allowed intrude into others in the name of a civilized society. I do pay my tribute to the government. Somebody in a civilized society has to make sure people like you receive the Earned Income Tax Credit, Child Tax Credit, and that the school provides your children with a reduced price or free lunch. Paying taxes is one of the burdens of actually having a job that pays a decent salary, but there are some benefits that come from it as well, so I guess I'll keep working for you. |
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 4, 2010 15:10:06 GMT -8
This is a discussion about citizenship. Serfs like you have no place in it nor could you possibly understand the concept of how free men are to act in free societies. Run along now and pay your tribute before the king takes your Oxen. As I suspected, you're one of the Freedom Fighters who believe in limited government, until those freedoms lead to things you don't like. You don't want government intruding in your life, but want to make sure they are allowed intrude into others in the name of a civilized society. I do pay my tribute to the government. Somebody in a civilized society has to make sure people like you receive the Earned Income Tax Credit, Child Tax Credit, and that the school provides your children with a reduced price or free lunch. Paying taxes is one of the burdens of actually having a job that pays a decent salary, but there are some benefits that come from it as well, so I guess I'll keep working for you. Oh! Brother!  |
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Post by aztec70 on Nov 4, 2010 20:24:25 GMT -8
This is a discussion about citizenship. Serfs like you have no place in it nor could you possibly understand the concept of how free men are to act in free societies. Run along now and pay your tribute before the king takes your Oxen. As I suspected, you're one of the Freedom Fighters who believe in limited government, until those freedoms lead to things you don't like. You don't want government intruding in your life, but want to make sure they are allowed intrude into others in the name of a civilized society. I do pay my tribute to the government. Somebody in a civilized society has to make sure people like you receive the Earned Income Tax Credit, Child Tax Credit, and that the school provides your children with a reduced price or free lunch. Paying taxes is one of the burdens of actually having a job that pays a decent salary, but there are some benefits that come from it as well, so I guess I'll keep working for you. Nice. ;D It is so predictable. When a conservative is confronted by what his words say, he whines and calls out names. LOL |
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