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Post by johneaztec on Feb 4, 2016 15:13:23 GMT -8
Shrigley right now is hurting us quite a bit, he did have a good defensive game on Tuesday for a change however. Ignorant
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Post by aztecanthony on Feb 4, 2016 15:27:27 GMT -8
Shrigley right now is hurting us quite a bit, he did have a good defensive game on Tuesday for a change however. How has he "hurt us quite a bit"? He was 0-4 in the last game, but he's not taking minutes from someone who's been 2-4 of late. He's basically taking a few minutes from Perez, and maybe a couple from someone else (if that), and he brings a lot more defensively than Perez who's 2-18 from 3 in conference play.
He definitely didn't cost us against UNLV. You could say the only time he really "hurt us" would the TO against Nevada, but you could find something like that for everyone, including the guy(s) he's taking any time from.
If he were taking bad shots or making bad plays at critical times, then maybe. But he's not.
The only really "bad" thing he's really done, other than that 1 TO, is get posterized & shown on ESPN over & over.
CSU was not a good match up for Shrigley and others. Even though he's cleared to play, he's not close to 100% fluidity compared to pre-injury. CSU's guards were so quick, drove past Shrigley at will. It would have been interesting to see if DW could have done better.
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Post by oldie on Feb 4, 2016 17:11:48 GMT -8
when the first one drops, there will be a flurry of others. needs time and regain confidence.
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Post by aztecbb on Feb 4, 2016 17:51:11 GMT -8
I don't know why people are high on Shrigs. I get that he was good coming out of high school but he hasn't done anything offensively since he got to SDSU. It's clear he's not a gamer and probably never will be. Do I hope he gets better? Of course I do but I don't think so. dont feed the troll..
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Post by aztecbb on Feb 4, 2016 17:54:49 GMT -8
Fish is getting minutes for Shrigs because he will help us in March - still working off the rust....Perez will help us when he is a Junior (Shrigs couldn't play D as a Frosh either )
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Post by eim86 on Feb 5, 2016 16:53:01 GMT -8
I don't know why people are high on Shrigs. I get that he was good coming out of high school but he hasn't done anything offensively since he got to SDSU. It's clear he's not a gamer and probably never will be. Do I hope he gets better? Of course I do but I don't think so. dont feed the troll.. haha far from it. Give me any evidence that he's been good offensively. I thought so.
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Post by legkick on Feb 5, 2016 17:15:45 GMT -8
haha far from it. Give me any evidence that he's been good offensively. I thought so. As with many of the obnoxious folks who post about hoops here (who in their right Aztec mind calls one of our own players "not a gamer"?), you focus only on offense. Shrigley's primary value to the Aztecs is on defense. Even on offense, while he has had his struggles, he has had some very solid offensive games. Last year against St. John's in the NCAA tournament, he scored 12 points on 4 of 5 threes. He had three other double digit scoring games last year (including career high 16 at Colorado State). He had nine such games as a freshman. He's probably never going to be an offensive star, particularly if he keeps coming off the bench. He seems to be more of a volume shooter, and he's just not going to get that volume for the time being.
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Post by standiego on Feb 5, 2016 19:32:24 GMT -8
Matt is a decent reserve if we really need a spot shooter . Hope you were not suggesting he should be a starter this year or next . Rather how difficult it is to come off the bench and be instant three point shooter not easy and he has not learned to go to the basket to score or draw fouls , or get more assists . Fisher likes the local guys and he gets his minutes, last year about 20 . this year had an injury and much better talent , should be about 5 or 6 a game unless he starts scoring . Next year we are going to have even more talent at the SG and SF positions so going to be difficult to start or much PT - we add both MG-C and Max .
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 5, 2016 23:53:27 GMT -8
Matt is a decent reserve if we really need a spot shooter . Hope you were not suggesting he should be a starter this year or next . Rather how difficult it is to come off the bench and be instant three point shooter not easy and he has not learned to go to the basket to score or draw fouls , or get more assists . Fisher likes the local guys and he gets his minutes, last year about 20 . this year had an injury and much better talent , should be about 5 or 6 a game unless he starts scoring . Next year we are going to have even more talent at the SG and SF positions so going to be difficult to start or much PT - we add both MG-C and Max . Fisher doesn't play Kell, Shrigs, Chol or anyone because they're local. He plays them because they're good and deserving. Shrigs very well could start next year. He'll be in the mix of about 4-5 vying for 2 open spots.
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Post by fisherville on Feb 6, 2016 0:47:35 GMT -8
Shrigley right now is hurting us quite a bit, he did have a good defensive game on Tuesday for a change however. Ignorant Not sure what I said that isn't true.
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Post by fisherville on Feb 6, 2016 0:53:10 GMT -8
Shrigley right now is hurting us quite a bit, he did have a good defensive game on Tuesday for a change however. How has he "hurt us quite a bit"? He was 0-4 in the last game, but he's not taking minutes from someone who's been 2-4 of late. He's basically taking a few minutes from Perez, and maybe a couple from someone else (if that), and he brings a lot more defensively than Perez who's 2-18 from 3 in conference play.
He definitely didn't cost us against UNLV. You could say the only time he really "hurt us" would the TO against Nevada, but you could find something like that for everyone, including the guy(s) he's taking any time from.
If he were taking bad shots or making bad plays at critical times, then maybe. But he's not.
The only really "bad" thing he's really done, other than that 1 TO, is get posterized & shown on ESPN over & over.
He's scored 0 points on 36 minutes, he did play good defense in a stretch last game (whole second unit did well chol not great), but he's not an impact defender and struggled defensively before that. Someone above said he wasn't good defensively in that game so maybe I'm off. And yes Ben Perez would make a considerable difference in score if given those minutes. Hopefully Shrigley gets up to speed before the end of the year, but it is far from a certain thing. Look at the seasons Chandler Parsons/Wesley Matthews are having (yes I'm a mavs fan), these kind of injuries of which based on timetable Shrigley may have been rushed back from can take a long time to get back to form from.
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Post by uncledougy on Feb 6, 2016 1:12:38 GMT -8
Hasn't Shrigs been looking for his shot for 2+ years now? At some point the guy has to prove he is a shooter. I haven't see it yet. It's a shame. Still holding out hope his time will come in the next 2 months. I am really hoping once it clicks, it clicks and he turns into the downtown threat we all want him to be.
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Post by standiego on Feb 6, 2016 7:51:27 GMT -8
We have two open spots in the starting line up for next year . Skylar 's and Winston's positions . IMO with the additions of Nolan , MG-C , the hopeful improvement of Malik , . Plus additions of J.McDaniels (4 position - maybe the 5,if we do not add another 5 and Max at the 3 ? ). The starting guards seem set with Trey and JH . So how do you see Matt starting and where ? He is the spot shooter reserve guard , believe Max is supposed to be spot shooter at the 3 or 4 if needed . D.Allen will continue to be the lock down defender on guards , please do not try to contend that Matt can compare with Dakari as a defender . Matt can defend another team's spot shooting guards but not the quick moving guards other teams have .
Yes Matt will very likely get hot in some games , so will be the reserve spot shooting guard .
IMO of the local guys on the team , would say Trey has developed into a quality player that most of us have hoped for .Most of the other current local guys have gotten the opportunities but not developed as much as I had hoped for . Angelo , Matt, Ben are decent reserves , role players that do contribute to the team , nothing wrong with that .
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Post by smoothcat on Feb 6, 2016 9:49:56 GMT -8
I have a feeling it will be Max Hoetzel next year who will give us the outside shooting we have been craving. I want it to be Shrigs, but it just hasn't happened to this point.
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Post by eim86 on Feb 6, 2016 14:10:04 GMT -8
haha far from it. Give me any evidence that he's been good offensively. I thought so. As with many of the obnoxious folks who post about hoops here (who in their right Aztec mind calls one of our own players "not a gamer"?), you focus only on offense. Shrigley's primary value to the Aztecs is on defense. Even on offense, while he has had his struggles, he has had some very solid offensive games. Last year against St. John's in the NCAA tournament, he scored 12 points on 4 of 5 threes. He had three other double digit scoring games last year (including career high 16 at Colorado State). He had nine such games as a freshman. He's probably never going to be an offensive star, particularly if he keeps coming off the bench. He seems to be more of a volume shooter, and he's just not going to get that volume for the time being. We win with defending the hell out of opposing teams and I'm fine with that. A win is a win no matter how ugly but I was never talking about Shrig's defense. "He's probably never going to be an offensive star". Thank you for proving my point. If you looked at my other posts it was only in regards to his offense. Almost every player on a Fisher led squad can play defense that's a given already. In regards to him not being a "gamer". One poster said that he was making most of his shots during warm ups and I said it meant nothing if he can't make it on game day. I'm pretty sure you can agree with that.
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Post by KDub on Feb 6, 2016 16:07:42 GMT -8
After going 0-5, I'm gonna support him even more.
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Post by Lloyd on Feb 6, 2016 16:09:57 GMT -8
A lot of Matt's shots this year have gone in and out. He's not far off, but I would like to see him drive to the basket to get himself going -
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 6, 2016 16:29:12 GMT -8
Not sure what I said that isn't true. The untrue part is when you said quite a bit. 0 for 4 isn't quite a bit, and he does so many other things. Don't focus on shooting only.
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Post by standiego on Feb 6, 2016 19:40:49 GMT -8
Our coaches recruit very athletic guys not the " Jimmers" . Take a look back at our best teams - with K. Leonard , White , M.Thomas , .... did have Chase T as a quality shooter but that was not our main strength and has not been since then
Our team this year continues that style of play . Our forwards and even the 5's , have dominated most teams in the MW this year , when they move and we can get them the ball . Look at Skylar's and Angelo's production and FG%. We are Not a good three point shooting team , so maybe try D.Williams to help get the guys down low the ball rather then guys just taking threes . or give Malik a try at SG - his D is even better then Matt's now . Look at the stats again . What is our % on threes and % of two point shots . We kill the other team down low ,even though every other team has zoned us . They would prefer that we keep trying threes rather then work the ball inside where they have a very difficult time defending us .
So it is not changing our offense , just realizing what we are good at and doing it even better .
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Post by sleepy on Feb 6, 2016 19:55:34 GMT -8
If you want this team to do anything in the postseason, Shrigs has got to drain 'em.
Once that first one goes in, that rim will seem that much bigger. Keep shooting, Matt -- just like the gym back at LCC.
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