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Post by missiontrails on Feb 3, 2016 11:31:02 GMT -8
I'm amazed how every year we have wannabe basketball coaches who THINK they actually know the intricacies of the game......then focus virtually ALL of their criticism on a player's shooting productivity, and usually just that player's recent shooting history. Meanwhile forgetting there are dozens of other facets of the game upon which a player can and should be judged regarding his overall contribution to the team. There's a reason Fisher, Dutcher, et al have the jobs they have, and you have yours (if you are indeed gainfully employed). I'm not directing this post at any specific person - although some of you seem to have a touch of Honey Badger in you.
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Post by eim86 on Feb 3, 2016 11:48:48 GMT -8
I don't know why people are high on Shrigs. I get that he was good coming out of high school but he hasn't done anything offensively since he got to SDSU. It's clear he's not a gamer and probably never will be. Do I hope he gets better? Of course I do but I don't think so.
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Post by richpjr on Feb 3, 2016 12:21:46 GMT -8
I sure hope he gets healthy and gets his shot back as it will only help us, but people seem to have kind of a hazy recollection of how much he contributed on the offensive side in the past. Last year he shot 34% from the field, while averaging 5.1 pts and 1.6 rebounds per game. So even if he gets back to where he was, it's not like he is going to make a massive difference in what we are doing.
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 3, 2016 12:47:48 GMT -8
I sure hope he gets healthy and gets his shot back as it will only help us, but people seem to have kind of a hazy recollection of how much he contributed on the offensive side in the past. Last year he shot 34% from the field, while averaging 5.1 pts and 1.6 rebounds per game. So even if he gets back to where he was, it's not like he is going to make a massive difference in what we are doing. Shrigs has stepped up in big games. Last year he shot 41% from 3 against top 50 opponents, and 34% from 3 during conference play. As a FR, he shot 38% from 3Pt against the 18 top 100 teams we played. His eFG% last year was among the best on the team among all perimeter players, only trailing AQ (& Pope, but he's more a 4). He also plays solid D, and has one of the highest steals/minute on the team, and also blocks a lot of shots at his position (compared to other perimeter defenders). All that as a sophomore. There's no reason to believe added experience (eventually) wouldn't make him a better contributor as a junior.
I don't think anyone expects him to be a savior & score 10+ per game, but he definitely upgrades our rotation. Brings experience, and the ability to get very hot & turn around games when on a streak (see St. John's).
His experience also helps him make better spacing decisions, and teams are more likely to see him as a perimeter threat. If he does nothing else but eliminate players doubling off him & opening up the floor for Kell, Pope, Chol and/or DA he's done his job.
Anyone who upgrades your rotation instantly in February is a big bonus.
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Post by northcountymike on Feb 3, 2016 13:57:04 GMT -8
I don't understand the hoopla over Shrigs. Sure we need him to come around, but actually I was never impressed by his play last year, kind of a non factor guy like Rohan, just doesn't have the clutch factor. Make a move when you get the ball and try to create something for God's sake. What do these guys do all day long anyway? He always gets burned on the perimeter, so easy to drive around. Does it take more than 2 weeks for a young guy to get his legs back? Well maybe, look at Pope for example....now I'm talking to myself again. Rahon.
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Post by northcountymike on Feb 3, 2016 14:00:57 GMT -8
When Shrigley's shots start dropping, you will see the difference it makes in our offense. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but the value of that opinion should be compared to Fisher's. We saw two really good coaches do a masterful job last night. But this is not about last night, but is about March. Shrigley would be a starter if he had not been injured. He just needs time to get his game back. Shrigley has always been a fisher favorite, and he did make some defensive plays last night. Perez would have hit some of those 3's last night. How bout Perez's tip dunk against Long Beach state, don't remember Shrigs ever making a play like that. Think it's more about loyalty to a 4 year player on scholarship. Perez will be ready when he gets his next chance. Shrigley broke his elbow going up for a breakaway dunk last year vs. Point Loma. He's quite athletic, and if you watch any high school video, he throws down all the time. For some reason, however, he's not used much as a slasher in this offense, which is sad. He's a catch-and-shoot guy. Regarding Perez, yup, his tip-dunk at Long Beach was nice, and he definitely can get up there. I was hoping he'd get some playing time last night; he needs the minutes. In addition, you may be right, Perez may have hit some of those 3's. I guess we'll never know.
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Post by northcountymike on Feb 3, 2016 14:10:44 GMT -8
Last night in the early warm ups I saw Shirley hit about 10 in a row from different 3-pt locations. He swished 5 in a row from the corner. I was sure he was going to break through last night. Now it seems like he's aware of that 0-7 start every time he has the opportunity to shoot a 3 and he hesitates. Would love to see him break out against the damn Lobos. At least Perez looked comfortable shooting again after missing a shot. I know Shirley is bigger, stronger and a better defender but if he keeps missing, I'd like to see Perez back in there. Do I even have to say it?
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Post by standiego on Feb 3, 2016 15:40:12 GMT -8
The coaches have gone out and recruited very athletic guys . Our best scheme so far is taking it to the basket for better % shots , passes or kick outs .Per Go Aztecs.com box. Last night second half we shot 11% on threes and 80 % on 2 point shots .
So game plan should be continue to do what we do best go to the basket for points . Last night CSU packed it in with a 2-3 zone , yet our guys killed them inside . It was because our guys executed better on the inside plays . Our skill level is better there. Not because they feared our outside shooting 11% from threes. Would guess they would let us shoot all night from the 3 point area .
Shrigley has primarily shown that he is a spot shooter . So far not any better then Kell or JH this year ( and this year is all that counts now ). Feel sorry for him about the injuries , but it happened .Did his shooting scoring improve the way it was written about in the UT - unfortunately we may not know. Would he have beaten out Kell for starting position at SG , do not think so or , or beaten out Zylan or Malik at SF -no. Kell has learned and gained confidence being a guy that can score in a variety of ways , not the best 3 point shooter but does do a Fisher wants most Scores the basketball.
Nice local guy , learning to be spot three point shooter but has not proven to be consistent .Injury this year and last have hurt him. Will say that it is not easy being instant offense from three point land . Rahon came in as great shooter but it was not always there ,so he adjusted his game . Drove more , also learned want more PT play better D . Fisher does appreciate the local guys and gives them every opportunity . Matt averaged 20 minutes last year .
Matt is a decent reserve , that could if he is hot may help the team win a few games . So have D.Allen , Malik , Angelo with their skills . Question for all who can do it consistently or is it a different guy each game that helps out .
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Post by tonatiuh on Feb 3, 2016 15:49:10 GMT -8
I'm amazed how every year we have wannabe basketball coaches who THINK they actually know the intricacies of the game......then focus virtually ALL of their criticism on a player's shooting productivity, and usually just that player's recent shooting history. Meanwhile forgetting there are dozens of other facets of the game upon which a player can and should be judged regarding his overall contribution to the team. There's a reason Fisher, Dutcher, et al have the jobs they have, and you have yours (if you are indeed gainfully employed). I'm not directing this post at any specific person - although some of you seem to have a touch of Honey Badger in you. Thank you for making it very clear to the many Coaches & So-Called Experts we have here on AztecMesa!!!!! If, the team was run by their whims we would more likely have a 2-21 record, and a 1-8 Conference record. But, of course with their knowledge and experience they would still think that their ideas are the best. "Keyboard Koaches", don't you love them?!??
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Post by cmonaztecs on Feb 3, 2016 15:57:22 GMT -8
This board isn't meant for the coaches, it's meant for the fans. Get a life
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Post by Aztec Empire on Feb 3, 2016 16:19:03 GMT -8
Love Shrigley and I know he is talented but he seems to have that same mental block that has occasionally bugged Pope. The wavering confidence thing is a real hindrance to players at times and it's hard to let the last miss go.
It comes down to him knowing that he deserves to be here and that he's good enough to make the next one regardless of the previous misses. Hopefully he builds on that mentality.
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Post by Blanco on Feb 3, 2016 16:56:18 GMT -8
Last night in the early warm ups I saw Shirley hit about 10 in a row from different 3-pt locations. He swished 5 in a row from the corner. I was sure he was going to break through last night. Now it seems like he's aware of that 0-7 start every time he has the opportunity to shoot a 3 and he hesitates. Would love to see him break out against the damn Lobos. At least Perez looked comfortable shooting again after missing a shot. I know Shirley is bigger, stronger and a better defender but if he keeps missing, I'd like to see Perez back in there. Do I even have to say it?
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Post by AztecBill on Feb 3, 2016 17:23:57 GMT -8
Shrigley blocked another shot last night but the box score has a big zero for that.
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Post by AztecBill on Feb 3, 2016 17:28:08 GMT -8
I don't know why people are high on Shrigs. I get that he was good coming out of high school but he hasn't done anything offensively since he got to SDSU. It's clear he's not a gamer and probably never will be. Do I hope he gets better? Of course I do but I don't think so. In his two seasons at SDSU he has shot 35.4% and 32.5%. He worked hard in the off season to have his best season yet and now consistently hits 3 in practice. He is a very good 3 point shooter. I would bet on him winning any Aztec 3 point contest. He is pressing a little now but when the shots start falling (should be soon), he will be the best 3 point shooter on the team. He will open up the inside for Chol, Kell, Pope, and Allen. He will get more minutes allowing others to benefit too.
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Post by standiego on Feb 3, 2016 22:24:26 GMT -8
You are correct he is the best three point shooter on the team in practice . But unfortunately was injured early so we will wait to see if that translates into conference games . Other reports from summer practice Dakari has improved the most in shooting . Skylar is a real offensive threat . Trey spent the summer reworking his shot . All great news but needs to come through in games .
2/3 of the season is over . Is it that terrible to say we are a very strong team when attacking the basket but not that good at three point shooting . How long do we keep throwing up threes instead of maybe doing more inside /outside style of play . Making sure at least one or two touches go inside . There is no team in MW that can contain our forwards - for the higher % shots , draw fouls , get rebounds .
There are only 200 minutes in a game . So if the 5 starters play about 140 minutes . Malik about 20 , D. Allen about 20 , Angelo about 12 , maybe 8 for Matt/Ben ? If some one is hot then it goes up and others slide . There is your 8.5 rotation.
Need more PT for Malik( how many blocks did he have last night ? rebounds and assists ? to go with 10 points in 20 minutes ) and Zylan who only got about 12 minutes. They are guys that could be the difference makers in March . For three point shooting we get plenty from JH and Trey , even Malik if he can get in the groove .
Where Matt could be valuable is last part of the game and we go to 4 guards on offense , if he as hot at the FT % as he was last year 6 for 6 .
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Post by eim86 on Feb 4, 2016 11:28:52 GMT -8
I don't know why people are high on Shrigs. I get that he was good coming out of high school but he hasn't done anything offensively since he got to SDSU. It's clear he's not a gamer and probably never will be. Do I hope he gets better? Of course I do but I don't think so. In his two seasons at SDSU he has shot 35.4% and 32.5%. He worked hard in the off season to have his best season yet and now consistently hits 3 in practice. He is a very good 3 point shooter. I would bet on him winning any Aztec 3 point contest. He is pressing a little now but when the shots start falling (should be soon), he will be the best 3 point shooter on the team. He will open up the inside for Chol, Kell, Pope, and Allen. He will get more minutes allowing others to benefit too. 35% is very average. Hard work doesn't always translates into games. There's plenty of athletes that work their tails off but just don't show up in games. He may be the best 3 point shooter off the court but who cares? We need him to hit those shots on game day! He's been "pressing" for 2 years now. I would say this is his make it or break it year in terms of being an accomplished offensive player. This is off topic but man he got dunked on bad vs CSU lol.
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Post by fisherville on Feb 4, 2016 11:49:04 GMT -8
Shrigley right now is hurting us quite a bit, he did have a good defensive game on Tuesday for a change however.
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 4, 2016 13:20:47 GMT -8
Shrigley right now is hurting us quite a bit, he did have a good defensive game on Tuesday for a change however. How has he "hurt us quite a bit"? He was 0-4 in the last game, but he's not taking minutes from someone who's been 2-4 of late. He's basically taking a few minutes from Perez, and maybe a couple from someone else (if that), and he brings a lot more defensively than Perez who's 2-18 from 3 in conference play.
He definitely didn't cost us against UNLV. You could say the only time he really "hurt us" would the TO against Nevada, but you could find something like that for everyone, including the guy(s) he's taking any time from.
If he were taking bad shots or making bad plays at critical times, then maybe. But he's not.
The only really "bad" thing he's really done, other than that 1 TO, is get posterized & shown on ESPN over & over.
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Post by ignoranus on Feb 4, 2016 13:23:35 GMT -8
Is 0 for 4 worse than 1 for 8?
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 4, 2016 13:35:49 GMT -8
Is 0 for 4 worse than 1 for 8? Nope, especially if 1-8 is Perez who is taking 1 out of every 4 shots the team takes when he's in the game, while the former (0-4) is only taking 1 of every 6. Clank = Clank
Heck, Shrigs even rebounded one of his missed 3's so does that even count? : )
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