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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 9, 2015 21:09:03 GMT -8
Bugs make O.K. trout bait.
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Post by jdaztec on Nov 9, 2015 21:31:39 GMT -8
I just can't see going to UCLA when the fan base doesn't even care. I appreciate they have a storied program and great recruiting classes but the college sports experience in front of a packed house of fans cheering for you doesn't exist. SDSU gives you an experience you can only find at a half dozen places in The Country and its your home town !!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 21:40:23 GMT -8
You were at CSUSM exhibition? McCoy and others were near Leaf I heard, that correct? Yes. McCoy was 5 seats down from Leaf and his boy. He and Leaf did not interact. Leaf's body language at that game seemed aloof, non involved. When Fisher was introduced after they named the court after him, everyone stood and clapped, Leaf not so much. Leaf just sat in his chair looking around. When the Aztecs made some good plays, dunks and such, he never clapped or cheered the Aztecs on. I will be very pleased if he picks SDSU, and I hope I read him wrong, but I don't think so. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 9, 2015 21:48:50 GMT -8
Yes. McCoy was 5 seats down from Leaf and his boy. He and Leaf did not interact. Leaf's body language at that game seemed aloof, non involved. When Fisher was introduced after they named the court after him, everyone stood and clapped, Leaf not so much. Leaf just sat in his chair looking around. When the Aztecs made some good plays, dunks and such, he never clapped or cheered the Aztecs on. I will be very pleased if he picks SDSU, and I hope I read him wrong, but I don't think so. That is quite telling! Either he was playing his cards close to the vest or he was a fish out of water in Steve's House on Steve's night! Kinda sucks to hear all that! |
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Post by aztecttcas on Nov 9, 2015 21:53:34 GMT -8
I just can't see going to UCLA when the fan base doesn't even care. I appreciate they have a storied program and great recruiting classes but the college sports experience in front of a packed house of fans cheering for you doesn't exist. SDSU gives you an experience you can only find at a half dozen places in The Country and its your home town !!! Completely agree but I think kids are just too insecure to choose high mid-majors like SDSU when bigger schools are offering. That's why I have respect for Sheperd who had Texas and big offers besides us but still chose us. All signs point to SDSU being the better fit in more ways than one but we'll see. I hope he chooses SDSU and I think he will end up wearing red and black. It certainly helps that the NCAA investigation is wrapping up quickly. I will say he chooses SDSU. Oregon makes even less sense for him. |
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Post by sectionq on Nov 9, 2015 21:53:27 GMT -8
I wouldn't read that much into his body language. Keep in mind he has been trained to keep his cards close to his vest during the recruitment process. I think the biggest sign is the fact that he attended the game. He wouldn't have been there if he wasn't interested.
As I've said before, I'm hearing from a family friend that he likes SDSU and his parents don't. If they did, I think SDSU would be in the lead. He was highly impressed with his visit to SDSU, liked the coaches and players. I get that "experts" say he is 80/20 UCLA, but don't count the Aztecs out. He wants to play close to his family and friends- that's a big factor.
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Post by aztecttcas on Nov 9, 2015 22:25:32 GMT -8
I wouldn't read that much into his body language. Keep in mind he has been trained to keep his cards close to his vest during the recruitment process. I think the biggest sign is the fact that he attended the game. He wouldn't have been there if he wasn't interested. As I've said before, I'm hearing from a family friend that he likes SDSU and his parents don't. If they did, I think SDSU would be in the lead. He was highly impressed with his visit to SDSU, liked the coaches and players. I get that "experts" say he is 80/20 UCLA, but don't count the Aztecs out. He wants to play close to his family and friends- that's a big factor. If your source is correct, then him choosing SDSU will eventually win over his parents. SDSU is solid and somewhat predictable and safe meaning you know you sellout crowds and we'll always be competitive and in the NCAA tourney. There's stability there for a young man to grow up in. Can't say that about Alford nor can you count on him not recruiting over him if someone better comes along. Fish has always been loyal to his players to a fault like Buddah Jones, Kevin Young... and to injured players like Pope and Tapley. Once his parents make that awful 15 minute drive to SDSU instead of 2.5 hours to UCLA, they'll be glad. Once Leaf gets all that playing time, his parents will be happy. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 22:27:09 GMT -8
I love how much Alford is getting hammered on this thread as if he's a bad coach. He's made 2 Sweet 16s in 2 seasons at UCLA. Coach Fisher has made 2 sweet 16s in...15 seasons? 16 seasons?
Alford has put 3 games in the NBA in the last 2 seasons. Coach Fisher has put 0.
I love Coach Fisher. He's my favorite sports figure of all time. But you guys act like he's head and shoulders above Alford and the reality is that's just not true.
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Post by fisherville on Nov 9, 2015 22:31:53 GMT -8
I love how much Alford is getting hammered on this thread as if he's a bad coach. He's made 2 Sweet 16s in 2 seasons at UCLA. Coach Fisher has made 2 sweet 16s in...15 seasons? 16 seasons? Alford has put 3 games in the NBA in the last 2 seasons. Coach Fisher has put 0. I love Coach Fisher. He's my favorite sports figure of all time. But you guys act like he's head and shoulders above Alford and the reality is that's just not true. I think the Alford bashing both on this forum and really in the general public is way too hard, he's a pretty good coach. But you are comparing apples to oranges. It's much easier to win and recruit at UCLA than at SDSU, I do think Fisher is clearly the better coach (I don't have any delusions of Fisher being a top 10 coach or anything like that fwiw).
I think the predictable reaction on this board (assuming Leaf chooses UCLA) will be extremely pathetic. There is nothing wrong with him wanting to play at a school loaded with talent for next year close to home in a power conference.
Do I want him to chose SDSU? Of course, will I bash him if he doesn't? Of course not.
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Post by aztecttcas on Nov 9, 2015 22:37:11 GMT -8
Alford is not a bad coach. But he's not a good coach. He's also hot tempered and seems to have many chips on his shoulders. At UNM, he would make snide remarks about SDSU like when his boy Drew Gordon didn't get Player of the Year or when he wasn't coach of the year. That's just 2 examples. You've never heard Fish talk crap about anything or anyone. The one time I recall is when he called out the NCAA for making New Mexico State fly home right away after losing to SDSU in the NCAA's. Fish said the decent thing to do was let NMSU sleep in a hotel and fly home in the morning. Comparing Sweet 16's is silly. UCLA had an easy draw. Look it up. Plus, we all know SDSU was a terrible basketball team for a long time. It took a long time to get things up and running. It's much easier to recruit to UCLA. Fish is the better X's and O's coach, too.
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Post by mySTRAS on Nov 9, 2015 22:43:48 GMT -8
I wouldn't read that much into his body language. Keep in mind he has been trained to keep his cards close to his vest during the recruitment process. I think the biggest sign is the fact that he attended the game. He wouldn't have been there if he wasn't interested. As I've said before, I'm hearing from a family friend that he likes SDSU and his parents don't. If they did, I think SDSU would be in the lead. He was highly impressed with his visit to SDSU, liked the coaches and players. I get that "experts" say he is 80/20 UCLA, but don't count the Aztecs out. He wants to play close to his family and friends- that's a big factor. If your source is correct, then him choosing SDSU will eventually win over his parents. SDSU is solid and somewhat predictable and safe meaning you know you sellout crowds and we'll always be competitive and in the NCAA tourney. There's stability there for a young man to grow up in. Can't say that about Alford nor can you count on him not recruiting over him if someone better comes along. Fish has always been loyal to his players to a fault like Buddah Jones, Kevin Young... and to injured players like Pope and Tapley. Once his parents make that awful 15 minute drive to SDSU instead of 2.5 hours to UCLA, they'll be glad. Once Leaf gets all that playing time, his parents will be happy. You do remember Leaf's older brother being recruited over? |
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Post by sdcoug on Nov 9, 2015 23:00:58 GMT -8
I love how so many here are licensed psychologists now. Did we watch his "body language" when visiting UCLA and compare it to our game? Unbelievable.
I also get the long hate for Alford from NM days buts he's a very good coach with a ton of respect. Definitely wouldn't blame Leaf no matter where he ends up. It's flash vs history vs local. Can't lose. Would be a great position to be in, albeit stressful I'd imagine. Good luck to him Thursday.
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Post by dunksalot on Nov 9, 2015 23:22:49 GMT -8
Announcing on THU is good timing for showing up to home game #1 on FRI and being announced at SDSU. That's a long drive after school and a lot of traffic to drive up to UCLA game #1 vs Monmouth. Plus the last TV announcement of one of our recruits was Zylan and he chose us over UNM when Alford was there. Just saying...my curiosity is high.
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Nov 10, 2015 6:00:52 GMT -8
The board's feeling would be that Leaf goes to UCLA. I have not idea myself. But looking at the reasoning for Leaf not coming here, I am surprised at anyone thinking he is coming. The experts predict he goes to UCLA. His parents don't want him here. His shoe sponsor wants him at UCLA. He was not excited for the players or coach during the game. No reasons to come to SDSU except it is close.
My feeling is that we hurt our chances with the stuff that happened to his brother. UCLA also puts more players into the NBA.
We need to get more players into the NBA, and prospects will come.
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Post by mrbug708 on Nov 10, 2015 6:21:33 GMT -8
Alford has already recruited players for the following class, they are posts that he already plays ahead of on Compton Magic. And if he's truly a one and done, it won't matter. But he's not a one and done talent, though I know his family thinks he is.
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Post by fredgarvinmp on Nov 10, 2015 8:07:54 GMT -8
I don't like to be negative, and I would love to hear SDSU coming out of his mouth Thursday, but something keeps bothering me about this kid. He and his family seem to have a taste for the dramatic and seem to love the attention more than most recruits I have seen, seem to like the fact people are fawning over him vs where he can contribute, this reason by itself would suggest that UCLA would be the choice as it has the "prestige" factor he seems to crave.
Again I hate to be negative but this family just seems a little narcissistic to me and I would rather have a player with lesser skills that truly WANTS to be here like a Cheatham seems to.
Again, I hope I am WAY off base, I just get the feeling with how his whole recruitment has played out.
Will be crossing my finger though.
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Post by jpaztec on Nov 10, 2015 8:47:41 GMT -8
Yes. McCoy was 5 seats down from Leaf and his boy. He and Leaf did not interact. Leaf's body language at that game seemed aloof, non involved. When Fisher was introduced after they named the court after him, everyone stood and clapped, Leaf not so much. Leaf just sat in his chair looking around. When the Aztecs made some good plays, dunks and such, he never clapped or cheered the Aztecs on. I will be very pleased if he picks SDSU, and I hope I read him wrong, but I don't think so. But did his voice raise when asked about SDSU?? |
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Post by AzTex on Nov 10, 2015 9:09:19 GMT -8
Yes. McCoy was 5 seats down from Leaf and his boy. He and Leaf did not interact. Leaf's body language at that game seemed aloof, non involved. When Fisher was introduced after they named the court after him, everyone stood and clapped, Leaf not so much. Leaf just sat in his chair looking around. When the Aztecs made some good plays, dunks and such, he never clapped or cheered the Aztecs on. I will be very pleased if he picks SDSU, and I hope I read him wrong, but I don't think so. Did you get to see his body language when he was at his last UCLA game? Without being able to compare his reactions during the games it is impossible to interpret his body language. |
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Post by opaztec on Nov 10, 2015 9:26:38 GMT -8
I don't like to be negative, and I would love to hear SDSU coming out of his mouth Thursday, but something keeps bothering me about this kid. He and his family seem to have a taste for the dramatic and seem to love the attention more than most recruits I have seen, seem to like the fact people are fawning over him vs where he can contribute, this reason by itself would suggest that UCLA would be the choice as it has the "prestige" factor he seems to crave. Again I hate to be negative but this family just seems a little narcissistic to me and I would rather have a player with lesser skills that truly WANTS to be here like a Cheatham seems to. Again, I hope I am WAY off base, I just get the feeling with how his whole recruitment has played out. Will be crossing my finger though. seems like everyone's a mind reader lol. I'm of the mindset that he is a good kid. If the worst thing people can say about him is the way he's recruiting is playing out that's pretty tame lol. That's just what he is, a kid coming out of high school. I don't see him committing crimeso or all the other bs. |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Nov 10, 2015 9:35:07 GMT -8
I don't like to be negative, and I would love to hear SDSU coming out of his mouth Thursday, but something keeps bothering me about this kid. He and his family seem to have a taste for the dramatic and seem to love the attention more than most recruits I have seen, seem to like the fact people are fawning over him vs where he can contribute, this reason by itself would suggest that UCLA would be the choice as it has the "prestige" factor he seems to crave. Again I hate to be negative but this family just seems a little narcissistic to me and I would rather have a player with lesser skills that truly WANTS to be here like a Cheatham seems to. Again, I hope I am WAY off base, I just get the feeling with how his whole recruitment has played out. Will be crossing my finger though. I get what you're saying but that's a pretty major judgment to make when you've never even met the kid or his family. It's got to be a really, really tough decision to choose a school when you're a 17 year old kid and all these great schools are tripping over themselves trying to give you their best sales pitch to go there.
Some kids know what they want and can make an early decision, but a lot of them need to really think about it till the end which definitely can seem like they're attention seeking but that might not be the case. His brother verballed here and then we recruited over him so he chose not to come here, which I'm sure gives TJ cause to pause.. even though that would never happen in TJ's situation
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