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Post by KDub on Oct 16, 2015 15:11:40 GMT -8
I'll be in Kauai in Novemeber. I hope I can get some Kuiet time there.
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Post by mrbug708 on Oct 16, 2015 15:33:27 GMT -8
What defamation suit could possibly be filed? Sure it's sketchy to ask the advisor to get a grade change but they don't have power to change the grade. It's illegal for coaches to talk to professors to influence grade changes, but asking the advisors to speak with the professors isn't illegal. That's essentially why they work, intermediaries to avoid rule violations. The professors have the power to change the grades alone. That's why Kyle Flood is in hot water at Rutgers, for contacting professors And I'm guessing you didn't go to college. 3/4s of my classes never took attendance. You can show up when you wanted to. It's not high school with mandatory attendance for funding purposes. As for proof, I'd imagine he has some form of it, but since he didn't mention any of it in that article, I'm not exactly worried about these "allegations" . Second, former UCLA adviser Will Collier specifically mentions Duane Broussard by name and accuses him actions that have tarnished his reputation, place his current employment at risk and could negatively effect his prospects for future employment. I could now list the elements of defamation claim so that you could see the basis for Broussard's claim, but you went to college so I am sure that you know them already. Further, a lot of classes in college require attendance. Have you ever tried to pass a chemistry lab class with out attending the lab? Or how about classes that require in-class participation such as communications or speech. It is up to the teacher and their policy and it varies from class to class. I mentioned attendance because that is exactly what Collier mentions in his allegations. Here is the excerpt from the Washington Post 10/13/15 detailing the situation: "A report in the Chronicle of Higher Education details how the UCLA men’s basketball program kept some of its players academically eligible despite missed classes, instances of plagiarism and grade changes that appeared to violate school policy. The accusations were brought by Will Collier, the basketball team’s academic coordinator until January, when he left for another job. Based on emails and documents provided by Collier and interviews with the former academic coordinator, the Chronicle’s Brad Wolverton portrays a program that went to great lengths to make sure its players stayed on the court."First part bolded - Did you really mean to contradict yourself in back to back sentences? Second part - Feeling pressured by the staff isn't enough for a defamation suit by anyone. Considering he worked with the basketball staff he probably had multiple run-ins. It wouldnt get anywhere. I doubt Broussard is feeling worried about this because the pressure given could be true, but doesn't make it nefarious. At least no more so than a coach saying in a press conference "We need to just pay all of the kids" would suddenly mean the staff is now paying the kids Third part - Exactly what I said. He never mentions classes that have mandatory attendance. He just said missed classes. You're basically saying what I said, only you are saying it was bad. We don't know if it had mandatory attendance. It never mentioned missed labs that require. You are reading more into it that was stateed. The other two charges, grade changes and plagarism are obviously more serious claims. Forth part - I'd assume every program goes to great lengths to keep kids eligible. Tutors, study sessions, testing environment et al. That little bit is just there to make the readers want to connect the dots a little further than there is evidence for. You did it quite willingly, which was the aim of this article. I'll go one step further and say UCLA participates in dirty recruiting, not necessarily moreso than other programs, but UCLA does use it's ADIDAS influence quite strongly. Sometimes it pays off (Atlanta Celtics, Dream Vision, Compton Magic with Alford) and sometimes it does not (Compton Magic with Howland, Jaylen Brown) |
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Post by MrPerfect on Oct 16, 2015 16:32:52 GMT -8
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Post by MrPerfect on Oct 16, 2015 16:34:43 GMT -8
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Oct 16, 2015 19:34:04 GMT -8
First, it is not illegal for a coach to contact a prof regarding a grade change. It may be against school policy and NCAA policy, but it is not illegal. Second, former UCLA adviser Will Collier specifically mentions Duane Broussard by name and accuses him actions that have tarnished his reputation, place his current employment at risk and could negatively effect his prospects for future employment. I could now list the elements of defamation claim so that you could see the basis for Broussard's claim, but you went to college so I am sure that you know them already. Further, a lot of classes in college require attendance. Have you ever tried to pass a chemistry lab class with out attending the lab? Or how about classes that require in-class participation such as communications or speech. It is up to the teacher and their policy and it varies from class to class. I mentioned attendance because that is exactly what Collier mentions in his allegations. Here is the excerpt from the Washington Post 10/13/15 detailing the situation: "A report in the Chronicle of Higher Education details how the UCLA men’s basketball program kept some of its players academically eligible despite missed classes, instances of plagiarism and grade changes that appeared to violate school policy. The accusations were brought by Will Collier, the basketball team’s academic coordinator until January, when he left for another job. Based on emails and documents provided by Collier and interviews with the former academic coordinator, the Chronicle’s Brad Wolverton portrays a program that went to great lengths to make sure its players stayed on the court." First part bolded - Did you really mean to contradict yourself in back to back sentences? Second part - Feeling pressured by the staff isn't enough for a defamation suit by anyone. Considering he worked with the basketball staff he probably had multiple run-ins. It wouldnt get anywhere. I doubt Broussard is feeling worried about this because the pressure given could be true, but doesn't make it nefarious. At least no more so than a coach saying in a press conference "We need to just pay all of the kids" would suddenly mean the staff is now paying the kids Third part - Exactly what I said. He never mentions classes that have mandatory attendance. He just said missed classes. You're basically saying what I said, only you are saying it was bad. We don't know if it had mandatory attendance. It never mentioned missed labs that require. You are reading more into it that was stateed. The other two charges, grade changes and plagarism are obviously more serious claims. Forth part - I'd assume every program goes to great lengths to keep kids eligible. Tutors, study sessions, testing environment et al. That little bit is just there to make the readers want to connect the dots a little further than there is evidence for. You did it quite willingly, which was the aim of this article. I'll go one step further and say UCLA participates in dirty recruiting, not necessarily moreso than other programs, but UCLA does use it's ADIDAS influence quite strongly. Sometimes it pays off (Atlanta Celtics, Dream Vision, Compton Magic with Alford) and sometimes it does not (Compton Magic with Howland, Jaylen Brown) I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Perhaps if you attended the other 3/4 of your classes you could understand my post. 1st. I didn't contradict myself. The first sentence refers to actions of the coaches not being illegal. The second refers to actions of mr. Collier as possibly constituting defamation. No contradiction. 2nd. As stated above and in my earlier post, the defamation would involve Mr. Colliers allegations against the UCLA coach.(if they are false). It has nothing to do with feeling pressure to change grades. Do you know what defamation is? Try Google before posting a reply. 3rd. You stated previously that In 3/4 of your classes attendance wasn't required. That would mean attendance was required in 25% of your classes. It appears that this was one of those classes that attending was required. He wasn't attending and it effected his grade. That's why they needed intervention from mr. Collier. 4th. Of course schools go to great lengths to keep kids eligible. However,they don't condone things like plagiarism or someone else doing the students work. These are specific instances cited in the article and the kids were still allowed to play. Only SMU and UNC do that. Go troll somewhere else now |
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Post by mrbug708 on Oct 16, 2015 21:14:17 GMT -8
If it's against NCAA rules, it's illegal.
You talk of reading comprehension, where did I say I never attended my classes in 3/4's of my classes. I said it wasn't mandatory. The article mentioned nothing of those classes being mandatory. That's ignoring the fact that athletes would miss school due to travel, it's safe to say it's not an issue. In fact, he had a low grade BECAUSE he missed so much class. But wording it vaguely gets random internet people up in arms. Speaking of defamation, it's great that he didnt actually source the player he is throwing under the bus, because that would open him up to a lawsuit. Instead we rely on vague statements that want you to connect the dots under the guise of animoity.
How am I trolling? I'm not speaking ill of SDSU, TJ Leaf, or anything of the like. I didnt come here touting him as lock and loaded to UCLA. I just was pointing out the non-issue in a non-story. I mean, "it's all over the news" 5 days ago because it's a non-story. I suppose I could attack your terrible grammar like you attacked what you perceived was my lack of reading comprehension, but I'm not that kind of poster.
The fact the school went to bat for the coach, a position that's easy to get rid of, makes this even more of a non-issue. Going back and reading it yet again, this is a pretty decent article, but it stops short of demonstrating any wrongdoing by UCLA coaches. It shows the tension between college athletics and academics. I think it also shows that the advisor was not particularly suited to this role, if he could not navigate the competing interests at stake. Just because Broussard may have brought up the topic of trying to get a player's grade changed does not mean it was necessarily improper. As discussed in this thread, students go to professors all the time asking for a grade change, or the ability to make up work if there is a good reason, and there is a UCLA policy on this. A conversation between a coach and an advisor does not mean there was an intent to commit fraud. Broussard was probably suggesting that the advisor do everything within the rules to try to get the player eligible (which was his job) - including that the player go to the professor and explain his circumstance and try to make up missed work.
This seems incredibly minor and a non-story, but it's good that attention is focused on these issues so that the coaches know that people are watching, and that they need to take UCLA academic requirements seriously. I thought the article more or less was just a profile of a pretentious academic advisor who was disillusioned by how most athletes and coaches view academics at a high-major school.
There's really no allegations of wrong-doing in the article. That's why it's not getting any traction.
Anyways, back on topic with TJ Leaf. You'll hear nothing more on this "scandal" from me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 21:46:15 GMT -8
This thread hast begun to suck. Technically Illegal refers to the rule of law. NCAA has rules they are not the rule of law. Let's talk about TJ Leaf, or Teejay Leef for a certain crowd. The dude can play and he will make an impact somewhere. Stay home.
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Oct 16, 2015 23:16:59 GMT -8
You're are right, this thread does suck and the only thing that matters is will either of the allegations effect Leaf's choice of schools. Unfortunately, I think the allegations will hurt SDSU's chances with Leaf and the UCLA allegations will not have an impact on his decision. Leaf will only play one year of college and he will want to make the most of it by playing in MM. As the recent case with SMU has exhibited, the NCAA will not hesitate to throw the hammer down against a non P5 school. I am sure UCLA and Oregon are letting Leaf know that NCAA sanctions could impact any post season Leaf could have with SDSU in the 2016-17 school year. Meanwhile, as the UNC fake class scandal has shown us, the NCAA is extremely hesitant to punish a glorified P5 program. There is little to no chance that UCLA will be punished in the next year and a half, if they are even punished at all. Which means that Leaf could enjoy life at UCLA and move on the pro's with out worry.
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Post by standiego on Oct 17, 2015 2:17:56 GMT -8
Bottom line if we Aztec fans and UCLA fans are talking about the situations so are recruits , families , fans.... and it could affect any recruit now and future recruits in other years .Until it is resolved who knows what the ramifications can be and when. The possibility of not playing in MM is a big deal for all schools but especially G5 schools .
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Post by FLAztec4Life on Oct 17, 2015 5:07:03 GMT -8
......And back to our regular scheduled program
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Post by Gundo on Oct 17, 2015 5:52:59 GMT -8
Todays SDUT Update:
Foothills Christian High senior T.J. Leaf has been on SDSU’s campus more times than he can count, but he took an abbreviated “official” recruiting visit this week with his parents. The five-star prospect originally committed to Arizona last fall, then decommitted in August and listed the Aztecs among eight candidates. Now the 6-foot-9 forward is down to three: SDSU, UCLA and Oregon.
He visited Oregon last week, SDSU this week and is scheduled for an official visit to UCLA next. He’s expected to make a decision in early November.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 17, 2015 6:15:41 GMT -8
You're are right, this thread does suck and the only thing that matters is will either of the allegations effect Leaf's choice of schools. Unfortunately, I think the allegations will hurt SDSU's chances with Leaf and the UCLA allegations will not have an impact on his decision. Leaf will only play one year of college and he will want to make the most of it by playing in MM. As the recent case with SMU has exhibited, the NCAA will not hesitate to throw the hammer down against a non P5 school. I am sure UCLA and Oregon are letting Leaf know that NCAA sanctions could impact any post season Leaf could have with SDSU in the 2016-17 school year. Meanwhile, as the UNC fake class scandal has shown us, the NCAA is extremely hesitant to punish a glorified P5 program. There is little to no chance that UCLA will be punished in the next year and a half, if they are even punished at all. Which means that Leaf could enjoy life at UCLA and move on the pro's with out worry. I hope an attorney could comment on this. Would a G5 school have a case against the NCAA if that body in fact punishes such a school (conceivably SDSU) while looking the other way in a similar situation occurring at UCLA or Duke? Sounds actionable to me. AzWm |
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Post by PAC12 Aztec on Oct 17, 2015 6:44:55 GMT -8
Todays SDUT Update: Foothills Christian High senior T.J. Leaf has been on SDSU’s campus more times than he can count, but he took an abbreviated “official” recruiting visit this week with his parents. The five-star prospect originally committed to Arizona last fall, then decommitted in August and listed the Aztecs among eight candidates. Now the 6-foot-9 forward is down to three: SDSU, UCLA and Oregon. He visited Oregon last week, SDSU this week and is scheduled for an official visit to UCLA next. He’s expected to make a decision in early November. Thanks for some actual updates on TJ. I am growing tired of allegations and POTENTIAL impact on program and recruiting. |
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Post by pxman on Oct 17, 2015 9:05:44 GMT -8
If it's against NCAA rules, it's illegal. You talk of reading comprehension, where did I say I never attended my classes in 3/4's of my classes. I said it wasn't mandatory. The article mentioned nothing of those classes being mandatory. That's ignoring the fact that athletes would miss school due to travel, it's safe to say it's not an issue. In fact, he had a low grade BECAUSE he missed so much class. But wording it vaguely gets random internet people up in arms. Speaking of defamation, it's great that he didnt actually source the player he is throwing under the bus, because that would open him up to a lawsuit. Instead we rely on vague statements that want you to connect the dots under the guise of animoity. How am I trolling? I'm not speaking ill of SDSU, TJ Leaf, or anything of the like. I didnt come here touting him as lock and loaded to UCLA. I just was pointing out the non-issue in a non-story. I mean, "it's all over the news" 5 days ago because it's a non-story. I suppose I could attack your terrible grammar like you attacked what you perceived was my lack of reading comprehension, but I'm not that kind of poster. The fact the school went to bat for the coach, a position that's easy to get rid of, makes this even more of a non-issue. Going back and reading it yet again, this is a pretty decent article, but it stops short of demonstrating any wrongdoing by UCLA coaches. It shows the tension between college athletics and academics. I think it also shows that the advisor was not particularly suited to this role, if he could not navigate the competing interests at stake. Just because Broussard may have brought up the topic of trying to get a player's grade changed does not mean it was necessarily improper. As discussed in this thread, students go to professors all the time asking for a grade change, or the ability to make up work if there is a good reason, and there is a UCLA policy on this. A conversation between a coach and an advisor does not mean there was an intent to commit fraud. Broussard was probably suggesting that the advisor do everything within the rules to try to get the player eligible (which was his job) - including that the player go to the professor and explain his circumstance and try to make up missed work. This seems incredibly minor and a non-story, but it's good that attention is focused on these issues so that the coaches know that people are watching, and that they need to take UCLA academic requirements seriously. I thought the article more or less was just a profile of a pretentious academic advisor who was disillusioned by how most athletes and coaches view academics at a high-major school. There's really no allegations of wrong-doing in the article. That's why it's not getting any traction. Anyways, back on topic with TJ Leaf. You'll hear nothing more on this "scandal" from me. Too many words. This is about bb not law. |
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Post by untitled on Oct 17, 2015 9:27:43 GMT -8
You guys expend so much energy on pointless $#!+
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Post by Old School on Oct 17, 2015 9:37:38 GMT -8
You guys expend so much energy on pointless $#!+ Heheh...c'mon now, Men are from Mars...Women are from Venus.  Oldie Out |
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Post by jdaztec on Oct 17, 2015 9:53:42 GMT -8
I don't like it that he is visiting UCLA last.
If he goes to UCLA and if he plays extremely well he will be one of dozens on a long list of great players through the years and may have a chance at reaching a final four.
If he goes to SDSU and plays extremely well he will standout as an all time great, a "Home town Hero" and have a chance at reaching a final four.
The safe ,expected choice is UCLA.
The bold, you are your own man choice would be SDSU.
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Post by aztecttcas on Oct 17, 2015 10:18:49 GMT -8
From obviously an outsider's point of view... I think he's doing the right thing. UCLA was probably his favorite but I do like that he's doing his due diligence. He's giving SDSU every chance possible to make a case. He's been on our campus numerous times. Played with Pope on the U-19 team briefly this summer. Knows Fisher's accomplishments and ability to get a lot out of 1,2,3 star players in the past. He knows in 2016, he will have a starting spot and that he'll be surrounded by good transfers who will be eligible, Hemsley, Z, and Narain. I can only see the NCAA investigation (if it actually becomes one) being the main factor of him not committing. He would have eliminated SDSU a long time ago if being close to home wasn't a factor. Jaylen Hands did. As may Ayton and McCoy. Getting Leaf may be what gets us over the hump in recruiting. Getting Kawhi got us consistent 4 star players, Leaf may be the start of getting us a few more 5 stars in the future outside of Pope and Shep.
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Post by Gundo on Oct 17, 2015 10:36:54 GMT -8
The Arizona Wildcats replaced TJ Leaf with a verbal commitment from a player expected to be one of the top international talents in the class, 6′-10″ post Lauri Markkanen of Finland.
The commitment was first reported by Scout.com, and came after Markkanen seriously considered North Carolina and Utah.
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Post by Azthetic on Oct 17, 2015 10:37:01 GMT -8
Kawhi is this thread going sideways?
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