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Post by sdcoug on Sept 16, 2015 18:10:03 GMT -8
You stated that no one cares, which is rebutted, and now you want to go back 10+ years & see how BSU changed their program? That's a whole other thread, which has been hashed over many times.
We have a history of losing prior to 2010; Boise has a history on winning since long before that. Things don't change overnight. Start there, but to make a blanket statement with nothing to back it up is what I addressed.
BTW, as is obvious by the fact we've accomplished what few programs have, SDSU DID make a decision to improve their football program.
We had a long history of winning long before Boise did. What happened to that? Why was 16 years of great football lost at SDSU? We had a great record between 1961 and 1977 and then it went poof, basically. We won one WAC title when many predicted that we would dominate the conference. Even Wyoming had two WAC titles. Fresno State has been more successful than we have. Things were good for Aztec football for many, many years and then it all stopped. Why is that? The prevailing wisdom on this board seems to be that it stopped because we have good weather and a beach. You'd have to go WAY back in history to figure that out, but the point is IT'S ANCIENT HISTORY. The entire landscape of college football has changed dramatically since then. Qualcomm was new; now it's ancient. TV's were black & white & low definition. Nobody in this administration was around when the football problem went in the toilet, so it's irrelevant right now and no reason to bring it into today's debates.
The only relevant timeframe is the past 8-10 years, and more so the past 4-5 years. 2011 was one of the best years ever, attendance-wise. Since then we've seen ups & downs, partly because TCU/Utah left & the schedule changed as a result, and partly because attendance nationally is down for a variety of reasons, including TV deals.
IMO the size of the fan base is good, even if it's not where it was WAY back in the "good ole days", but needs to get better. Hopefully that happens.
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Post by dmilesai on Sept 17, 2015 10:18:50 GMT -8
Yes, they definitely hurt recruiting. I've had recruits tell me that negative comments on message boards negatively impacted their opinion of a school and its respective fan base. It's just so obvious. The poison on this board and the way it is expressed has to affect the reader. Exactly. I used to write for the Aztec Report on Scout.com and spoke with many recruits. Negative comments hurt. It's a fact. Should they hurt? You can make an argument that negative comments shouldn't have any type of impact since every fan base has its fair share of crazies. However, negative comments do hurt, and everyone needs to come to terms with that. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 17, 2015 10:47:43 GMT -8
It's just so obvious. The poison on this board and the way it is expressed has to affect the reader. Exactly. I used to write for the Aztec Report on Scout.com and spoke with many recruits. Negative comments hurt. It's a fact. Should they hurt? You can make an argument that negative comments shouldn't have any type of impact since every fan base has its fair share of crazies. However, negative comments do hurt, and everyone needs to come to terms with that. Unless a team is undefeated there are going to be negatives. And the further the team is from undefeated the more negatives there are. And since the point of a message board is to discuss the topics and give honest assessments there is no way to avoid negative comments and opinions. What we need us tolerance of differing views. We're all Aztec fans. |
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 17, 2015 11:16:19 GMT -8
Exactly. I used to write for the Aztec Report on Scout.com and spoke with many recruits. Negative comments hurt. It's a fact. Should they hurt? You can make an argument that negative comments shouldn't have any type of impact since every fan base has its fair share of crazies. However, negative comments do hurt, and everyone needs to come to terms with that. Unless a team is undefeated there are going to be negatives. And the further the team is from undefeated the more negatives there are. And since the point of a message board is to discuss the topics and give honest assessments there is no way to avoid negative comments and opinions. What we need us tolerance of differing views. We're all Aztec fans. The problem is many of the negative comments are based on predisposed biases, rather than backing with actual fact. You have people with "Rocky Retread" labels & insinuating no one else would ever have hired him which is not backed by any facts. You don't see supporters spouting off misinformation like Rocky is being poached by school x, y or z without actual facts to back them up.
Most are not "honest assessments"; they're opinions based on predisposed biases, some from before he was even hired.
Stating negative comments and opinions is one thing; going overboard OVER & OVER without any fact to back it up is another. Two very different things, and what creates a negative tone overall on a board.
Yes, you can't avoid negative comments and opinions but hopefully people are able to grasp the difference between being critical and spouting negativity just to be negative. There's a HUGE difference.
And yes, the tone of the supposedly "moderators" can help dictate the overall tone.
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Post by aztech on Sept 17, 2015 12:12:24 GMT -8
Unless a team is undefeated there are going to be negatives. And the further the team is from undefeated the more negatives there are. And since the point of a message board is to discuss the topics and give honest assessments there is no way to avoid negative comments and opinions. What we need us tolerance of differing views. We're all Aztec fans. The problem is many of the negative comments are based on predisposed biases, rather than backing with actual fact. You have people with "Rocky Retread" labels & insinuating no one else would ever have hired him which is not backed by any facts. You don't see supporters spouting off misinformation like Rocky is being poached by school x, y or z without actual facts to back them up.
Most are not "honest assessments"; they're opinions based on predisposed biases, some from before he was even hired.
Stating negative comments and opinions is one thing; going overboard OVER & OVER without any fact to back it up is another. Two very different things, and what creates a negative tone overall on a board.
Yes, you can't avoid negative comments and opinions but hopefully people are able to grasp the difference between being critical and spouting negativity just to be negative. There's a HUGE difference.
And yes, the tone of the supposedly "moderators" can help dictate the overall tone.
I think what's lacking is not having enough new posters posting to help water down the impacts, pro or con. I hate to say this, but I think this is a small board. It's low of different posters, but high in regular posters.
If you go to the MWC board you'll find a bigger and more diverse crowd which is expected, since that board represents all MWC members. I might be wrong, but it would not surprise me if one big P5 message board is as big as the MWC board so you'll find more civility and objectivity.
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Post by myownwords on Sept 17, 2015 16:01:30 GMT -8
It's just so obvious. The poison on this board and the way it is expressed has to affect the reader. Exactly. I used to write for the Aztec Report on Scout.com and spoke with many recruits. Negative comments hurt. It's a fact. Should they hurt? You can make an argument that negative comments shouldn't have any type of impact since every fan base has its fair share of crazies. However, negative comments do hurt, and everyone needs to come to terms with that. Except that, absent proof to the contrary, please allow me---one of the "crazies"---to utterly and completely disagree with you, when it comes to these forums. |
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 17, 2015 16:37:35 GMT -8
Exactly. I used to write for the Aztec Report on Scout.com and spoke with many recruits. Negative comments hurt. It's a fact. Should they hurt? You can make an argument that negative comments shouldn't have any type of impact since every fan base has its fair share of crazies. However, negative comments do hurt, and everyone needs to come to terms with that.Except that, absent proof to the contrary, please allow me---one of the "crazies"---to utterly and completely disagree with you, when it comes to these forums. your disagreement is noted and given about the same weight as my agreement with his assertion ... I believe your demand for proof may run into some issues regarding protected content or privacy issues regarding recruits and recruiting -- I would hate for a difference of opinion to end up as an NCAA investigation  |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 17, 2015 17:42:47 GMT -8
Unless a team is undefeated there are going to be negatives. And the further the team is from undefeated the more negatives there are. And since the point of a message board is to discuss the topics and give honest assessments there is no way to avoid negative comments and opinions. What we need us tolerance of differing views. We're all Aztec fans. The problem is many of the negative comments are based on predisposed biases, rather than backing with actual fact. You have people with "Rocky Retread" labels & insinuating no one else would ever have hired him which is not backed by any facts. You don't see supporters spouting off misinformation like Rocky is being poached by school x, y or z without actual facts to back them up.
Most are not "honest assessments"; they're opinions based on predisposed biases, some from before he was even hired.
Stating negative comments and opinions is one thing; going overboard OVER & OVER without any fact to back it up is another. Two very different things, and what creates a negative tone overall on a board.
Yes, you can't avoid negative comments and opinions but hopefully people are able to grasp the difference between being critical and spouting negativity just to be negative. There's a HUGE difference.
And yes, the tone of the supposedly "moderators" can help dictate the overall tone.
Well, predisposed biases are based on a track record, so you can't just dismiss those views. There is a trend over the last two seasons and if people believe that to be a negative trend then it is their right to say so. Just like it is your right to disagree. But NO ONE has the right to post snarky, angry, comments belittling other board members. We are going to insist on more civility and tolerance going forward. Respect the rights of other board members to have opinions that are the diametric opposite of your own, and respect that they have their own reasons for having those opinions. Tolerating and respecting those views is most certainly NOT the same thing as agreeing with them. Please keep that in mind. So I have committed to moderating my tone and making sure that I do everything I can to keep that tone on the board. What will you do to make this a better fan forum? We are ALL part of Aztec Mesa. As part of this fan forum you are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Snarky, angry jabs at other board members is part of the problem. That part of the problem needs to stop. |
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Post by myownwords on Sept 17, 2015 19:21:42 GMT -8
Except that, absent proof to the contrary, please allow me---one of the "crazies"---to utterly and completely disagree with you, when it comes to these forums. your disagreement is noted and given about the same weight as my agreement with his assertion ... I believe your demand for proof may run into some issues regarding protected content or privacy issues regarding recruits and recruiting -- I would hate for a difference of opinion to end up as an NCAA investigation Duly noted and discarded. But willing to hear your counter proposal. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 21:03:53 GMT -8
your disagreement is noted and given about the same weight as my agreement with his assertion ... I believe your demand for proof may run into some issues regarding protected content or privacy issues regarding recruits and recruiting -- I would hate for a difference of opinion to end up as an NCAA investigation Duly noted and discarded. But willing to hear your counter proposal. As board appointed GRAND ARBITER, I insist this must stop. You are both being far too cordial for my liking. Resume the bickering and do so immediately!!! |
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