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Post by longtimesdsufan on Sept 15, 2015 15:26:50 GMT -8
All of you want a better football team. I do also.
We all know that the newspaper, players parents, recruits and other schools read our board. We represent SDSU. But I don't think we represent the fans. I admit that the fans around me have been season ticket holders for 20 years or more (43 for me), but none of them want to fire Rocky. Yet on this forum, most people want to fire Rocky.
I get that some people feel better complaining. I get that everyone can have an opinion, no matter how ill informed. What I don't get is why we would want to get negative comments about this board in the newspaper, insult players who support Rocky, discourage recruits from coming here and give other schools ammunition to recruit players.
"I believe" is positive and pulls us together.
Do any of you believe that the football team is worst since Rocky got here?
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Post by laaztec on Sept 15, 2015 15:27:45 GMT -8
Recruits don't care what is posted on this board. If they are swayed by faceless internet posts then something is wrong.
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Sept 15, 2015 15:34:47 GMT -8
Recruits don't care what is posted on this board. If they are swayed by faceless internet posts then something is wrong. They should not listen to faceless comments.....but they do. I have found over the years that when I ask negative posters to meet me, they never show up. And my point is that this behavior is wrong. |
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Post by whitehawk on Sept 15, 2015 15:48:10 GMT -8
Recruits don't care what is posted on this board. If they are swayed by faceless internet posts then something is wrong. I completely disagree. It doesn't have to be recruits coming to this board. The point is that this negativity is "ammunition" for other schools to recruit against us. The point being is that it doesn't do any good. The point being is that this is a place where Aztec fans come to talk about the team. Some things just don't need to be said, no matter if it is true or not. There are plenty of things that Fisher can say about his team that are true, but would do him and the program no good, so he doesn't say it for reasons that should be obvious. Do you think Tony White or Rocky Long are telling recruits, "why would you want to play for us when we play in an old, NFL rejected stadium?" I don't think so. Maybe it's true, but it doesn't help the recruiting process. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. There's nothing wrong with having an opinion, but one thing I always want to know is how many of you that are so harsh about Aztec players and coaches would be willing to walk up to their face, tell them exactly what you are writing on here to let out your steam, and expect them to respect you while you are wearing your Aztec gear. These players work hard on and off the field. So do the coaches. Maybe you don't like them or think we should have someone else playing or coaching here, but if you care about the program and want to do some good, go see the recruits at their games, wear your gear, cheer them on, donate money to the program, contact the administration and find out what you can do as a supporter of Aztec Athletics that can help the program. If you believe, then believe. If you don't, then well, don't be the one that uses the slogan only when it's convenient. I believe. I've always believed, and I will always believe that we will win!!! GO AZTECS!!! BEAT USA!!! |
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Sept 15, 2015 15:51:16 GMT -8
Would the "Helps" votes be man or woman enough to tell us why?
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 15, 2015 15:57:24 GMT -8
Recruits don't care what is posted on this board. If they are swayed by faceless internet posts then something is wrong. They should not listen to faceless comments..... but they do. I have found over the years that when I ask negative posters to meet me, they never show up. And my point is that this behavior is wrong. Agreed ... active players are told to stay away from message boards, comment threads after articles and social media -- but you know they still read it. That would go for prospective players and their parents too. Whether one thinks they should pay attention to it or not; they absolutely do. To think that it doesn't leave an impression on them or anyone else that reads it is ridiculous & those that think that way just don't want to take responsibility for their part in it. |
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 15, 2015 16:12:29 GMT -8
It's not just the recruits, but as much if not more so the PARENTS of recruits who read these blogs. Recruits can be influenced, but tend to focus more on their relationships with the staff & experiences with the players. However, the parents want to send their kids into a positive environment & will worry more.
There are negative people who bitch & whine on every board, which is expected. Especially at LOSING programs. But too much of it can definitely hurt, especially when they've seen & heard nothing but positive things about a WINNING program. It definitely can leave an impression, even if minor.
Ultimately I think other factors play a much larger role during the process, but to think a large group of negative "fans" can't have a negative impact & hurt the program is naïve.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 15, 2015 16:15:26 GMT -8
The correct answser is C.) - Recruits don't give a rip about what anyone who isn't a current or former player or coach has to say on a message board, and since players and coaches don't post on message boards the recruits couldn't care in the least what is posted on message boards.
Anyone who thinks that a prospective recruit reads boards like this one and bases his decision even in part on what is posted on that board is delusional. We do NOT have that kind of power or influence. Not even a little.
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Post by aztecvatar on Sept 15, 2015 16:19:09 GMT -8
Fire Rocky, then there won't be any negative comments. Problem solved!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 16:19:28 GMT -8
The recruits don't read the boards, it's the parents. And it does effect the perception of those who have limited access to the program (Live outside of the state/area). I'm sure some of you subscribe to ASR as I do and I can tell you for sure that many parents lurk and post there, including the father of one of our QB's...
If they are willing to pay to lurk/post you don't think they may choose to do the same on a free Aztec Sports Message board? Get real.
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 15, 2015 16:20:33 GMT -8
The correct answser is C.) - Recruits don't give a rip about what anyone who isn't a current or former player or coach has to say on a message board, and since players and coaches don't post on message boards the recruits couldn't care in the least what is posted on message boards. Anyone who thinks that a prospective recruit reads boards like this one and bases his decision even in part on what is posted on that board is delusional. We do NOT have that kind of power or influence. Not even a little. Disagree ... players and recruits are acutely aware of social media, message boards and the comment sections of online articles -- and so are their parents. To think it does not influence them is willful ignorance. I am not sure how your are so able to speak on behalf of what recruits "give a rip about" ... do you have some evidence to bolster this claim? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 16:22:54 GMT -8
Fire Rocky, then there won't be any negative comments. Problem solved! Except for the fact that nearly 100% of 3rd party observers think fans who say that are out of their minds. It creates the perception that the program has poor support which could lead to a coaching change even if that may be highly unlikely. You think good recruits commit if there is even a slight chance of a coaching change right after they come? As a former SDSU baseball player who literally lived through the Dietz/Gwynn change I can tell you with 100% assurance that I would've never committed had I known Dietz would be forced to retire after my freshman year. |
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Sept 15, 2015 16:28:53 GMT -8
The correct answser is C.) - Recruits don't give a rip about what anyone who isn't a current or former player or coach has to say on a message board, and since players and coaches don't post on message boards the recruits couldn't care in the least what is posted on message boards. Anyone who thinks that a prospective recruit reads boards like this one and bases his decision even in part on what is posted on that board is delusional. We do NOT have that kind of power or influence. Not even a little. It is interesting that you think the power of this board that you help run is inconsequential. However, most responses endorse the power of the pen. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 15, 2015 16:30:19 GMT -8
The correct answser is C.) - Recruits don't give a rip about what anyone who isn't a current or former player or coach has to say on a message board, and since players and coaches don't post on message boards the recruits couldn't care in the least what is posted on message boards. Anyone who thinks that a prospective recruit reads boards like this one and bases his decision even in part on what is posted on that board is delusional. We do NOT have that kind of power or influence. Not even a little. Disagree ... players and recruits are acutely aware of social media, message boards and the comment sections of online articles -- and so are their parents. To think it does not influence them is willful ignorance. I am not sure how your are so able to speak on behalf of what recruits "give a rip about" ... do you have some evidence to bolster this claim? Yeah, I've actually spoken to highly recruited guys out of Vista over the last 10 years, and not one of them even gave a moment's thought to message boards when it came to which school they wanted to go to. The main reason we didn't land Stefan McClure, for example, is because we didn't have a men's track program. The message board wasn't even on his radar... (The same was true of Travis Goethel.) |
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 15, 2015 16:34:20 GMT -8
Disagree ... players and recruits are acutely aware of social media, message boards and the comment sections of online articles -- and so are their parents. To think it does not influence them is willful ignorance. I am not sure how your are so able to speak on behalf of what recruits "give a rip about" ... do you have some evidence to bolster this claim? Yeah, I've actually spoken to highly recruited guys out of Vista over the last 10 years, and not one of them even gave a moment's thought to message boards when it came to which school they wanted to go to. The main reason we didn't land Stefan McClure, for example, is because we didn't have a men's track program. The message board wasn't even on his radar... (The same was true of Travis Goethel.) so your evidence is anecdotal and you have no verifiable quantitative statistics or studies? I have nieces and nephews that have also been recruited and they are aware of and influenced by the perception of the program via electronic medium, but it was their parents that were most influenced. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 15, 2015 16:39:27 GMT -8
Yeah, I've actually spoken to highly recruited guys out of Vista over the last 10 years, and not one of them even gave a moment's thought to message boards when it came to which school they wanted to go to. The main reason we didn't land Stefan McClure, for example, is because we didn't have a men's track program. The message board wasn't even on his radar... (The same was true of Travis Goethel.) so your evidence is anecdotal and you have no verifiable quantitative statistics or studies? I have nieces and nephews that have also been recruited and they are aware of and influenced by the perception of the program via electronic medium, but it was their parents that were most influenced. Sure they were. It had nothing to do with coaches, facilities, academic records, athletic records, etc. A message board outweighed that stuff. Riiiiiiiiiight....  |
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 15, 2015 16:45:54 GMT -8
so your evidence is anecdotal and you have no verifiable quantitative statistics or studies? I have nieces and nephews that have also been recruited and they are aware of and influenced by the perception of the program via electronic medium, but it was their parents that were most influenced. Sure they were. It had nothing to do with coaches, facilities, academic records, athletic records, etc. A message board outweighed that stuff. Riiiiiiiiiight.... Is that a personal attack on my relatives? Are you saying that your anecdotal evidence is more valid because it supports your view of the situation then mocking my relatives to bolster the supposed validity of your argument? |
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Sept 15, 2015 16:50:23 GMT -8
so your evidence is anecdotal and you have no verifiable quantitative statistics or studies? I have nieces and nephews that have also been recruited and they are aware of and influenced by the perception of the program via electronic medium, but it was their parents that were most influenced. Sure they were. It had nothing to do with coaches, facilities, academic records, athletic records, etc. A message board outweighed that stuff. Riiiiiiiiiight.... So you want to go to a restaurant that has a great location, beautiful layout, and an upscale menu. However, you go to yelp and customers rip the chef. Would you still go? Comments set mood, but the facts should be what is most important. So out of 20 recruits, 19 don't care about this message board, but 1 does (or their parents), and they don't come.... did it not matter? 1 out of 50? 1 out of 100? |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 15, 2015 16:59:09 GMT -8
Sure they were. It had nothing to do with coaches, facilities, academic records, athletic records, etc. A message board outweighed that stuff. Riiiiiiiiiight.... So you want to go to a restaurant that has a great location, beautiful layout, and an upscale menu. However, you go to yelp and customers rip the chef. Would you still go? Comments set mood, but the facts should be what is most important. So out of 20 recruits, 19 don't care about this message board, but 1 does (or their parents), and they don't come.... did it not matter? 1 out of 50? 1 out of 100? I do not believe for a second that a player OR his parents would weigh the comments on a message board as anything worth considering when they are deicing where that recruit should go to play sports. I do not believe that people would be that stupid. They don't know us from Adam, so they can't possibly put stock in what we say. If they knew us personally, and we were saying bad things about the coach to their faces, maybe - but not as total anonymous strangers behind keyboards. You cannot tell me that a great school with great academics, good athletic programs with good, charismatic coaches, great facilities, and a great location is going to be undone by comments on a message board. |
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Sept 15, 2015 17:03:12 GMT -8
So you want to go to a restaurant that has a great location, beautiful layout, and an upscale menu. However, you go to yelp and customers rip the chef. Would you still go? Comments set mood, but the facts should be what is most important. So out of 20 recruits, 19 don't care about this message board, but 1 does (or their parents), and they don't come.... did it not matter? 1 out of 50? 1 out of 100? I do not believe for a second that a player OR his parents would weigh the comments on a message board as anything worth considering when they are deicing where that recruit should go to play sports. I do not believe that people would be that stupid. They don't know us from Adam, so they can't possibly put stock in what we say. If they knew us personally, and we were saying bad things about the coach to their faces, maybe - but not as total anonymous strangers behind keyboards. You cannot tell me that a great school with great academics, good athletic programs with good, charismatic coaches, great facilities, and a great location is going to be undone by comments on a message board. You are welcome to your belief. However, from the posted comments, most of us don't agree with you. |
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