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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2010 5:37:49 GMT -8
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 21, 2010 5:58:15 GMT -8
Somebody stop Jerry Brown. I had to live through the first Jerry Brown regime (a colossal failure), and I don't want to have to go through another. I thought we were done with Jerry Brown 28 years ago... (We should have been, anyway.)
Meg Whitman isn't much better (this may be the worst two major party candidates ever in the same election), but we know what a nightmare Jerry Brown's first tenure was - he was so bad he makes Arnold Schwarzenneger look good by comparison!
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Post by Montezuma on Oct 21, 2010 6:35:15 GMT -8
Hold on to your wallet if you attend.... This race really sucks, no one really wants to be the Governor of this mess we call home. Nut Meg or ol Crazy Jerry, how much worse can Nut Meg be than Arnold?
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Post by sdtosf on Oct 22, 2010 21:19:31 GMT -8
Brown wins....Game over for Meg.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Oct 23, 2010 7:05:12 GMT -8
Brown wins....Game over for Meg. Remember folks, this is the new and improved Jerry Brown. He will only spend what the legislature approves in spending. The new governor will have to preside over further cuts in the state budget, because revenue is not going to increase in the near future. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 23, 2010 7:50:06 GMT -8
Brown wins....Game over for Meg. Remember folks, this is the new and improved Jerry Brown. He will only spend what the legislature approves in spending. Then we're in big trouble, because this is one of the biggest Tax and Spend legislatures in the country... Hey, that's not what the new budget says. The budget deal just passed counts on economic growth resulting in increased revenues. Are you telling me that we're going to have yet another shortfall and a big deficit because they counted on greater revenues than really show up? Jerry Brown isn't going to make things better, he will only make them worse. Despite his packaging as a, "New," Jerry Brown, when he speaks in front of leftist groups he's clearly the same old Governor Moonbeam. Once a wacko leftist, always a wacko leftist. He opposed Prop 13 even though thousands of seniors were losing their homes because they couldn't afford the ever increasing property taxes. Of course, after the fact when it won in a landslide he did a 180 and said that he supported it. What a fraud - then and now. |
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Post by aztecron on Oct 23, 2010 8:42:00 GMT -8
Remember folks, this is the new and improved Jerry Brown. He will only spend what the legislature approves in spending. Then we're in big trouble, because this is one of the biggest Tax and Spend legislatures in the country... Hey, that's not what the new budget says. The budget deal just passed counts on economic growth resulting in increased revenues. Are you telling me that we're going to have yet another shortfall and a big deficit because they counted on greater revenues than really show up? Jerry Brown isn't going to make things better, he will only make them worse. Despite his packaging as a, "New," Jerry Brown, when he speaks in front of leftist groups he's clearly the same old Governor Moonbeam. Once a wacko leftist, always a wacko leftist. He opposed Prop 13 even though thousands of seniors were losing their homes because they couldn't afford the ever increasing property taxes. Of course, after the fact when it won in a landslide he did a 180 and said that he supported it. What a fraud - then and now. I'm 48 now and have moved around the world so much that its easy to forget some local happenings from my 18 years growing up in El Cajon. Wasn't Prop 13 enacted back in the late 70's? If so, that was the proposition that canceled my summer school session between my Junior and Senior year in HS. I was so pissed. I'm sure there was so much more to the proposition, but that is how it impacted my life. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 23, 2010 8:47:18 GMT -8
Then we're in big trouble, because this is one of the biggest Tax and Spend legislatures in the country... Hey, that's not what the new budget says. The budget deal just passed counts on economic growth resulting in increased revenues. Are you telling me that we're going to have yet another shortfall and a big deficit because they counted on greater revenues than really show up? Jerry Brown isn't going to make things better, he will only make them worse. Despite his packaging as a, "New," Jerry Brown, when he speaks in front of leftist groups he's clearly the same old Governor Moonbeam. Once a wacko leftist, always a wacko leftist. He opposed Prop 13 even though thousands of seniors were losing their homes because they couldn't afford the ever increasing property taxes. Of course, after the fact when it won in a landslide he did a 180 and said that he supported it. What a fraud - then and now. I'm 48 now and have moved around the world so much that its easy to forget some local happenings from my 18 years growing up in El Cajon. Wasn't Prop 13 enacted back in the late 70's? If so, that was the proposition that canceled my summer school session between my Junior and Senior year in HS. I was so pissed. I'm sure there was so much more to the proposition, but that is how it impacted my life. Prop 13 rolled back property taxes and put a cap on them. The reason being that the state and local governments kept raising property tax rates, and doing so at current market values. That forced thousands of seniors out of their homes because they could no longer afford the property taxes on their limited retirement incomes. Non-seniors were also having trouble keeping up, and some of them lost homes as well because they couldn't afford the new taxes. The state and local governments did make some cuts as a result, but in the end revenue came around as property values increased (and new sales brought in taxes based on the new property values). It was short term pain to save people's homes. Prop 13 has been one of the best things to hit California in the last 50 years. And Jerry Brown strongly opposed it. (Until it passed overwhelmingly, at which point he did one of his famous flip-flops.) |
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Oct 23, 2010 9:10:00 GMT -8
So how many of you have complied and sent in your Use tax registration forms to the State of California? Just, wait, if Jerry gets in, they'll use the Use tax to add a NEW tax on you, and not just sit back and see if you pay a use tax voluntarily on your out of state, internet purchases that don't get sales taxed.
Jerry will be the same Gray Davis who had the computer system at the DMV set the DMV fee form up to easily add new fees and taxes. If you notice the ONE year the DMV fees were lowered, the actual registration fee in the box on the form wasn't lowered, they added a credit at the bottom. That credit at the bottom of the form was done because the State and Gary Darvis knew they would eliminate the lower DMV fees the next year. It was a temporary credit and not a permanent DMV fee decrease.
Oh, and Gray Davis also elminated the usury laws in California.
Jerry Brown is another Davis, and you have to know the State Assembly and Senators are licking their chops at the new Use tax registration because as soon as they get all the people on it, WHAM. A new tax on the citizens.
Oh, and guess what? They will slam people left and right for a Use tax based upon their estimate of what they think you should pay, and assess it back the usual 8 years. Yeah the State has eight years to assess you on back taxes if you don't file and start the three year statute, and they can go back forever if the State employee wants to use the word, "fraud".
Meg Whitman represents the private sector. She will stop this abuse. Jerry won't.
Jerry will go with whatever the State assembly and senate wants to spend. And, since they have wanted to spend 20, 40 billion more than they take in, he'll let them. Meg won't. Arnold tried to stand up to them. Remember the $9 billion deficit and the legislature cut Education only 9 million and the media and teachers damned Arnold for cutting Education? They never give you the numerator and the denominator do they?
My property tax bill has $300 going to the Huntington Beach City Employees Pension.
mAd hAM
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Post by aztecron on Oct 27, 2010 18:38:19 GMT -8
I'm 48 now and have moved around the world so much that its easy to forget some local happenings from my 18 years growing up in El Cajon. Wasn't Prop 13 enacted back in the late 70's? If so, that was the proposition that canceled my summer school session between my Junior and Senior year in HS. I was so pissed. I'm sure there was so much more to the proposition, but that is how it impacted my life. Prop 13 rolled back property taxes and put a cap on them. The reason being that the state and local governments kept raising property tax rates, and doing so at current market values. That forced thousands of seniors out of their homes because they could no longer afford the property taxes on their limited retirement incomes. Non-seniors were also having trouble keeping up, and some of them lost homes as well because they couldn't afford the new taxes. The state and local governments did make some cuts as a result, but in the end revenue came around as property values increased (and new sales brought in taxes based on the new property values). It was short term pain to save people's homes. Prop 13 has been one of the best things to hit California in the last 50 years. And Jerry Brown strongly opposed it. (Until it passed overwhelmingly, at which point he did one of his famous flip-flops.) Interesting what matters to us at specific points in time. I guess I was too young to recognize why it was prop 13 was needed. I never knew the reasons and impacts of the proposition, only that it denied me a quicker finish to my HS Sr. year. |
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Post by OfficialAztecINSIDER on Oct 27, 2010 20:21:32 GMT -8
Jerry Brown is going to dominate Meg next week  |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 28, 2010 5:44:45 GMT -8
Jerry Brown is going to dominate Meg next week If true, that would be a shame. We'll all pay the price for that in the long run. And the price will be rather high... |
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Post by aztec70 on Oct 28, 2010 7:33:52 GMT -8
I'm 48 now and have moved around the world so much that its easy to forget some local happenings from my 18 years growing up in El Cajon. Wasn't Prop 13 enacted back in the late 70's? If so, that was the proposition that canceled my summer school session between my Junior and Senior year in HS. I was so pissed. I'm sure there was so much more to the proposition, but that is how it impacted my life. Prop 13 rolled back property taxes and put a cap on them. The reason being that the state and local governments kept raising property tax rates, and doing so at current market values. That forced thousands of seniors out of their homes because they could no longer afford the property taxes on their limited retirement incomes. Non-seniors were also having trouble keeping up, and some of them lost homes as well because they couldn't afford the new taxes. The state and local governments did make some cuts as a result, but in the end revenue came around as property values increased (and new sales brought in taxes based on the new property values). It was short term pain to save people's homes. Prop 13 has been one of the best things to hit California in the last 50 years. And Jerry Brown strongly opposed it. (Until it passed overwhelmingly, at which point he did one of his famous flip-flops.) I am 63 so I remember the campaign. I voted no. I still do not support the proposition. It was the start of the fall of the public school system in this state. To say that seniors were losing their homes is BS. There were programs in place for low income seniors to defer their real estate tax until they died. The accrued taxes were a lein on the property and the government got back their loan when the house was sold or was paid by the heirs when they inherited. The real reason the Prop. 13 was to shift tax from commercial property to homeowners. Homes sell more frequently than commercial property. Thus homes get reassesed more often and in the long run homeowners pick more of the tax bill. I forget if it was Jarvis or Gann that was the head of the apartment owners trade group. |
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Post by aztec70 on Oct 28, 2010 7:41:25 GMT -8
Somebody stop Jerry Brown. I had to live through the first Jerry Brown regime (a colossal failure), and I don't want to have to go through another. I thought we were done with Jerry Brown 28 years ago... (We should have been, anyway.) Meg Whitman isn't much better (this may be the worst two major party candidates ever in the same election), but we know what a nightmare Jerry Brown's first tenure was - he was so bad he makes Arnold Schwarzenneger look good by comparison! Let me get this clear. You lived through Browns first time as governor. Lets see, you are 42. That makes you about 7 when Brown was elected. Puts you in second grade. LOL I think what you really mean is that you remember how your Dad bitched and moaned and groaned about Jerry Brown. Of course you are part of the choir now. ;D |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Oct 28, 2010 7:57:36 GMT -8
Prop 13 rolled back property taxes and put a cap on them. The reason being that the state and local governments kept raising property tax rates, and doing so at current market values. That forced thousands of seniors out of their homes because they could no longer afford the property taxes on their limited retirement incomes. Non-seniors were also having trouble keeping up, and some of them lost homes as well because they couldn't afford the new taxes. The state and local governments did make some cuts as a result, but in the end revenue came around as property values increased (and new sales brought in taxes based on the new property values). It was short term pain to save people's homes. Prop 13 has been one of the best things to hit California in the last 50 years. And Jerry Brown strongly opposed it. (Until it passed overwhelmingly, at which point he did one of his famous flip-flops.) I am 63 so I remember the campaign. I voted no. I still do not support the proposition. It was the start of the fall of the public school system in this state. To say that seniors were losing their homes is BS. There were programs in place for low income seniors to defer their real estate tax until they died. The accrued taxes were a lien on the property and the government got back their loan when the house was sold or was paid by the heirs when they inherited. The real reason the Prop. 13 was to shift tax from commercial property to homeowners. Homes sell more frequently than commercial property. Thus homes get reassessed more often and in the long run homeowners pick more of the tax bill. I forget if it was Jarvis or Gann that was the head of the apartment owners trade group. Jarvis was a lobbyist for the LA Apartment Owners Association at the time of prop 13. While prop 13 did and does help the average homeowner, it was specifically written for the large landowner and apartment owner. If the sale is structured properly, these types of property do not get reassessed when sold. From Wiki Owners of commercial real estate have also benefited: if a corporation owning commercial property (such as a shopping mall) is sold or merged, but the property stays technically deeded to the corporation, ownership of the property can effectively change hands without triggering Proposition 13's provisions. Since many properties owned by large companies are nominally owned by shell companies whose sole assets are the properties in question, this has led to situations that have struck many commentators, such as Steve Lopez and Michael Hiltzik of the Los Angeles Times, as absurd and unfair, with companies taking a lesser percentage of the overall tax burden than private homeowners. Smaller property owners do not have the "shell company" advantage that large property owners do. Critics of Proposition 13 have argued that this situation unfairly benefits commercial property owners and should be changed, but recent attempted ballot initiatives have not succeeded in altering assessment formulas. |
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Post by aztecwin on Oct 28, 2010 10:57:17 GMT -8
I am 63 so I remember the campaign. I voted no. I still do not support the proposition. It was the start of the fall of the public school system in this state. To say that seniors were losing their homes is BS. There were programs in place for low income seniors to defer their real estate tax until they died. The accrued taxes were a lien on the property and the government got back their loan when the house was sold or was paid by the heirs when they inherited. The real reason the Prop. 13 was to shift tax from commercial property to homeowners. Homes sell more frequently than commercial property. Thus homes get reassessed more often and in the long run homeowners pick more of the tax bill. I forget if it was Jarvis or Gann that was the head of the apartment owners trade group. Jarvis was a lobbyist for the LA Apartment Owners Association at the time of prop 13. While prop 13 did and does help the average homeowner, it was specifically written for the large landowner and apartment owner. If the sale is structured properly, these types of property do not get reassessed when sold. From Wiki Owners of commercial real estate have also benefited: if a corporation owning commercial property (such as a shopping mall) is sold or merged, but the property stays technically deeded to the corporation, ownership of the property can effectively change hands without triggering Proposition 13's provisions. Since many properties owned by large companies are nominally owned by shell companies whose sole assets are the properties in question, this has led to situations that have struck many commentators, such as Steve Lopez and Michael Hiltzik of the Los Angeles Times, as absurd and unfair, with companies taking a lesser percentage of the overall tax burden than private homeowners. Smaller property owners do not have the "shell company" advantage that large property owners do. Critics of Proposition 13 have argued that this situation unfairly benefits commercial property owners and should be changed, but recent attempted ballot initiatives have not succeeded in altering assessment formulas. You could structure a trust to do the same thing. Unit of beneficial interest in a trust could be sold without disturing the trust itself that owned property. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 28, 2010 19:45:51 GMT -8
Somebody stop Jerry Brown. I had to live through the first Jerry Brown regime (a colossal failure), and I don't want to have to go through another. I thought we were done with Jerry Brown 28 years ago... (We should have been, anyway.) Meg Whitman isn't much better (this may be the worst two major party candidates ever in the same election), but we know what a nightmare Jerry Brown's first tenure was - he was so bad he makes Arnold Schwarzenneger look good by comparison! Let me get this clear. You lived through Browns first time as governor. Lets see, you are 42. That makes you about 7 when Brown was elected. Puts you in second grade. LOL I think what you really mean is that you remember how your Dad bitched and moaned and groaned about Jerry Brown. Of course you are part of the choir now. ;D I was almost 15 when he left office. (I actually followed politics in the news from the time I was 8 thanks to the '76 election.) He was flat out against Prop 13 (until it won by a landslide). He also allowed the public employees to unionize (which has put California in the financial crisis it's in). He was a far left wing anti-death penalty fanatic who put the even more fanatic Rose Bird in place to overturn almost each and every death penalty sentence that was handed out. He was a fruitcake and a flake. I really thought we were done with him in 1983. I hoped we were, anyway. It's really disappointing that we may end up with a coda to Jerry Brown's Symphony of Economic Destruction. |
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Post by aztec70 on Oct 28, 2010 19:48:54 GMT -8
Well, Eric, guess you will have to live through it again. I lived through Reagan.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 29, 2010 5:41:19 GMT -8
Well, Eric, guess you will have to live through it again. I lived through Reagan. Things got better while Reagan was in office (the Carter years were a disaster). Things got infinitely worse while Brown was in office. Big difference. |
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Post by aztec70 on Oct 29, 2010 6:44:34 GMT -8
Well, Eric, guess you will have to live through it again. I lived through Reagan. Things got better while Reagan was in office (the Carter years were a disaster). Things got infinitely worse while Brown was in office. Big difference. Your opinion. |
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