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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on May 27, 2015 9:22:22 GMT -8
First of all, IMO, it was a mistake for the BIG XII not to add Louisville when they could. They also made a mistake by adding West Virginia; IMO. They really should have just added BYU; even with all their baggage. It would be interesting to see what the distances from SDSU to all the BIG XII schools are and compare them to what WVU and BYU are... just for fun. If & when the BIG XII expands the candidates are probably UCF, Cincy, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, Colorado State and maybe Memphis. I can't imagine Houston would get a look since Texas is pretty saturated; but who knows. Any others?  |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 9:41:56 GMT -8
Puts things in perspective.
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Post by standiego on May 27, 2015 9:42:25 GMT -8
B12 expansion post number .... The B12 is going to get the right to have a 10 team conference , without having a championship conference game and be considered for the playoffs and College Football Champions . TV money goes to the conferences to divide up . So most teams in B12 enjoy getting 1/10 rather then 1/12 or 1/14 of the money . Believe the TV deal is good for about another 5 or 10 years . So unless the TV networks add enough money to expand , why would the B12 expand ? So when the B12 starts talk about expanding ,this is basic hope for most G5 fans praying to be selected . Right now B12 is primarily concerned with getting a team or two in the football playoffs , or maybe going to 8 team playoff - MONEY and prestige, not expanding the conference. (also believe the WVU AD sits on the selection group for football playoffs ) .
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Post by rebar619 on May 27, 2015 9:43:14 GMT -8
First of all, IMO, it was a mistake for the BIG XII not to add Louisville when they could. They also made a mistake by adding West Virginia; IMO. They really should have just added BYU; even with all their baggage. It would be interesting to see what the distances from SDSU to all the BIG XII schools are and compare them to what WVU and BYU are... just for fun. If & when the BIG XII expands the candidates are probably UCF, Cincy, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, Colorado State and maybe Memphis. I can't imagine Houston would get a look since Texas is pretty saturated; but who knows. Any others? Whenever I see posts like this regarding expansion I wonder at the attention to miles. To me, it is more important to look at travel time. I would be willing to bet that SDSU could travel to all of the BIG12 universities (except possibly WVU) faster than it takes us to get to Wyoming. The fact that we have an international airport 10 miles away from campus makes access very easy. When the education of students is considered travel time is more important than distance traveled. With the amount of money these universities make I can't imagine cost is that big of an issue either. |
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Post by HighNTight on May 27, 2015 9:43:34 GMT -8
Just my opinion, but the first 2 schools that would be added to the B12 (assuming it's present footprint) would be Cincinnati & Memphis
Both are strong in basketball and football. They help to bridge the gap between Iowa St and WVU and bring 2 more states into the B12 orbit.
Adding both Memphis and Cincinnati also gives the B12 some flexability, should the ACC try to poach WVU
This would allow them to reintroduce divisions and a CCG.
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Post by biotec on May 27, 2015 9:45:18 GMT -8
San Diego is a natural fit.
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Post by myownwords on May 27, 2015 9:46:32 GMT -8
Just my opinion, but the first 2 schools that would be added to the B12 (assuming it's present footprint) would be Cincinnati & Memphis Both are strong in basketball and football. They help to bridge the gap between Iowa St and WVU and bring 2 more states into the B12 orbit. Adding both Memphis and Cincinnati also gives the B12 some flexability, should the ACC try to poach WVU This would allow them to reintroduce divisions and a CCG. Alas and alack, I fear that you are correct. |
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Post by rebar619 on May 27, 2015 9:49:41 GMT -8
San Diego to:
Ames Iowa - 5hrs
Stilwater Ok - 6hrs
Morgantown WV - 8hrs
Just to name a few.
I am pretty sure it takes 8hrs for SDSU to get to Laramie.
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Post by obboy13 on May 27, 2015 9:53:13 GMT -8
The mileage numbers are interesting, but in my opinion here are the numbers that matter the most: BYU - 57,141.......San Diego State - 32,294. Those are the average home attendance for football games in 2014. I don't know who has the larger TV audience, but based on their decision to go independent, the folks in Provo think they do. When it comes to schools from the P-5, Qualcomm is like a field of dreams.....fill it and they will come.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 9:57:17 GMT -8
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Post by rebar619 on May 27, 2015 10:04:37 GMT -8
For the sake of argument, what do you think the attendance numbers would have been if we had won the North Carolina game or Oregon State game? My contention is that winning one or both of those games would have been a huge shot in the arm for attendance. The fan base would have been given hope of an entertaining and successful season. Unfortunately it was the SOS. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 10:08:39 GMT -8
For the sake of argument, what do you think the attendance numbers would have been if we had won the North Carolina game or Oregon State game? My contention is that winning one or both of those games would have been a huge shot in the arm for attendance. The fan base would have been given hope of an entertaining and successful season. Unfortunately it was the SOS. It would've been minimal. Just like beating Wazzu did nothing, and beating a ranked AFA and then a ranked Boise did nothing. On some level people know we are effectively in the triple AAA of college football. Exciting to watch but not quite the peak most desire, hell half of the so called fans here express this very sentiment. So until we make a leap upward I would expect our max average to be in the low 40's...Yeah we can get an occasional 50k game with special events(fireworks etc) matched with a high profile game...but that will remain the outlier regardless of Win/Loss until we get the 'call up'... Just look at TCU...think about the millions of people they have close by...and then see their 44k in attendance having only recently reached the promise land. Their situation is similar to ours(in terms of pop close by) and yet they aren't that far from us on the attendance ranking. |
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Post by sdcoug on May 27, 2015 10:09:48 GMT -8
First of all, IMO, it was a mistake for the BIG XII not to add Louisville when they could. They also made a mistake by adding West Virginia; IMO. They really should have just added BYU; even with all their baggage. It would be interesting to see what the distances from SDSU to all the BIG XII schools are and compare them to what WVU and BYU are... just for fun. If & when the BIG XII expands the candidates are probably UCF, Cincy, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, Colorado State and maybe Memphis. I can't imagine Houston would get a look since Texas is pretty saturated; but who knows. Any others? If the B12 expands they won't go small. They'll add 4 if not 6 teams, and divide the conference into 2 regions to minimize travel. They'll look for a travel partner for WV (Cincy) & if SDSU or BYU are added, another in the same general area. I'd think UNLV would also be in the equation as well as Fresno, even more so than Boise (which has ZERO DMA or recruiting appeal).
I could see a scenario where it's SDSU, FSU, CSU & BYU, and then 2 teams in the north central area (Cincy & someone else).
As Stan said, their TV contract isn't up for a while so they would need their media partner to be very intrigued & open up contract negotiations again, which is very possible with the right potential scenario. They aren't leaning towards a championship game right now, and may not for a few years. Not at 10 teams, per latest talks in Phoenix. But if they did expand & go real big, they'd be able to present to their Media partners (ESPN/Fox): 1) 4-6 more major TV markets; 2) 4-6 more games during preconference weeks, and 2-3 more games to broadcast during conference play each week (inventory is king); and 3) championship game and possibly (if rules loosened) a 4-team playoff out of a 16 team conference, especially if the national championship isn't expanded from 4 teams. They'd probably go to a 9-game conference schedule, which would even add more appeal.
That could garner a significantly larger chunk of change, which would mean the current B12 players wouldn't just be spreading their current allotment to more people; it'd be a MUCH bigger contract.
Plus, to the coaches and AD's they'd be able to sell recruiting in California & significantly more exposure out west & even to the NE. So even if each team got $1-$2MM less per year that'd be offset by other advantages.
I'd be shocked if the B12 would ever expand with 2 schools, unless those schools are located in LA, NY and/or Chicago.
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Post by thepapacy on May 27, 2015 10:15:22 GMT -8
IT'S THE OFFSEASON
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Post by rebar619 on May 27, 2015 10:23:06 GMT -8
For the sake of argument, what do you think the attendance numbers would have been if we had won the North Carolina game or Oregon State game? My contention is that winning one or both of those games would have been a huge shot in the arm for attendance. The fan base would have been given hope of an entertaining and successful season. Unfortunately it was the SOS. It would've been minimal. Just like beating Wazzu did nothing, and beating a ranked AFA and then a ranked Boise did nothing. On some level people know we are effectively in the triple AAA of college football. Exciting to watch but not quite the peak most desire, hell half of the so called fans here express this very sentiment. So until we make a leap upward I would expect our max average to be in the low 40's...Yeah we can get an occasional 50k game with special events(fireworks etc) matched with a high profile game...but that will remain the outlier regardless of Win/Loss until we get the 'call up'... Just look at TCU...think about the millions of people they have close by...and then see their 44k in attendance having only recently reached the promise land. Their situation is similar to ours(in terms of pop close by) and yet they aren't that far from us on the attendance ranking. I think your point is valid. The only thing I would contend with is a victory at UNC or OSU would have been a much bigger deal than beating a lousy WSU team at home. For those that are going to care, they see the difference between a quality win and not - as subjective a qualifier as that is. IMO SDSU is capable of averaging in the low 40s with 10 win seasons in the MWC. Should we move up in weight class attendance in the 50s is not an unreasonable expectation. |
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Post by sdcoug on May 27, 2015 10:24:30 GMT -8
For the sake of argument, what do you think the attendance numbers would have been if we had won the North Carolina game or Oregon State game? My contention is that winning one or both of those games would have been a huge shot in the arm for attendance. The fan base would have been given hope of an entertaining and successful season. Unfortunately it was the SOS. It would've been minimal. Just like beating Wazzu did nothing, and beating a ranked AFA and then a ranked Boise did nothing. On some level people know we are effectively in the triple AAA of college football. Exciting to watch but not quite the peak most desire, hell half of the so called fans here express this very sentiment. So until we make a leap upward I would expect our max average to be in the low 40's...Yeah we can get an occasional 50k game with special events(fireworks etc) matched with a high profile game...but that will remain the outlier regardless of Win/Loss until we get the 'call up'... Just look at TCU...think about the millions of people they have close by...and then see their 44k in attendance having only recently reached the promise land. Their situation is similar to ours(in terms of pop close by) and yet they aren't that far from us on the attendance ranking. Agreed. A lot of the casual fans are just looking for excuses & had we beat UNC or OSU those same casual fans would just use another excuse not to go. We beat UNC and lose to OSU on the road, people would just say "but it's just UNLV" or "but we can't even beat OSU" come the next home game. If we lose to UNC & beat OSU, it'd just be "but it's just UNLV" or "it's just OSU we beat". The fact we lost to both just means WHY they don't support the team changes. Nothing more. You might get a little larger student & walk-up crowd, but nothing significant.
I'm sure if we beat PSU or Cal people would still bitch & moan & whine about playing Fresno at 7:30 at night or Utah State ("because it's Friday night & traffic.....").
People thrive on complaints and excuses NOT to support the team. We need more "real" fans.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 10:30:08 GMT -8
It would've been minimal. Just like beating Wazzu did nothing, and beating a ranked AFA and then a ranked Boise did nothing. On some level people know we are effectively in the triple AAA of college football. Exciting to watch but not quite the peak most desire, hell half of the so called fans here express this very sentiment. So until we make a leap upward I would expect our max average to be in the low 40's...Yeah we can get an occasional 50k game with special events(fireworks etc) matched with a high profile game...but that will remain the outlier regardless of Win/Loss until we get the 'call up'... Just look at TCU...think about the millions of people they have close by...and then see their 44k in attendance having only recently reached the promise land. Their situation is similar to ours(in terms of pop close by) and yet they aren't that far from us on the attendance ranking. I think your point is valid. The only thing I would contend with is a victory at UNC or OSU would have been a much bigger deal than beating a lousy WSU team at home. For those that are going to care, they see the difference between a quality win and not - as subjective a qualifier as that is. IMO SDSU is capable of averaging in the low 40s with 10 win seasons in the MWC. Should we move up in weight class attendance in the 50s is not an unreasonable expectation. I agree with this certainly agree we have plenty of room for improvement but that at certain point conference affiliation will be the only way to break thru the 40's. |
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Post by standiego on May 27, 2015 10:32:46 GMT -8
MONEY is the driving force . For the B12 to expand it will take the TV networks giving more Money to the B12 . right now there is a contract and unless you can convince the TV people they want to up the offer seriously doubt there is expansion . dream of G5 fans trying to get in . So unless B12 schools get the added major bump of money , they are not going to want 1/12 , or 1/14 or 1/16 of the piece of the money pie , when they currently get 1/10 . TV may give them 200 to 240 million . 1/10 is 20 to 24 million . 16 teams you get 12.5 to 15 million . So unless the bump up in Money makes up the loss in % , there seems to be little incentives for B12 to expand . So the people that need to be convinced is the TV network , explain how they should be willing to pay at least 25 million more per team added to the current contract . .
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Post by sdcoug on May 27, 2015 10:38:07 GMT -8
MONEY is the driving force . For the B12 to expand it will take the TV networks giving more Money to the B12 . right now there is a contract and unless you can convince the TV people they want to up the offer seriously doubt there is expansion . dream of G5 fans trying to get in . So unless B12 schools get the added major bump of money , they are not going to want 1/12 , or 1/14 or 1/16 of the piece of the money pie , when they currently get 1/10 . TV may give them 200 to 240 million . 1/10 is 20 to 24 million . 16 teams you get 12.5 to 15 million . So unless the bump up in Money makes up the loss in % , there seems to be little incentives for B12 to expand . So the people that need to be convinced is the TV network , explain how they should be willing to pay at least 25 million more per team added to the current contract . . Which is why they'll only expand with 4-6 more big markets. More inventory; significantly larger DMA coverage, etc. ESPN/Fox LOVE inventory (= more Thursday/Friday night games & going West allows them later starts - e.g. 9-10 PM ET for that 18-34 male crowd)!
Lots of incentive to expand; just need to put the right package together.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on May 27, 2015 11:43:43 GMT -8
First of all, IMO, it was a mistake for the BIG XII not to add Louisville when they could. They also made a mistake by adding West Virginia; IMO. They really should have just added BYU; even with all their baggage. It would be interesting to see what the distances from SDSU to all the BIG XII schools are and compare them to what WVU and BYU are... just for fun. If & when the BIG XII expands the candidates are probably UCF, Cincy, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, Colorado State and maybe Memphis. I can't imagine Houston would get a look since Texas is pretty saturated; but who knows. Any others? First of all, this is the offseason. So, take the post with a grain of salt to talk about something other than a Charger stadium. Will the BIG XII expand? Who knows but we can still talk about potential expansion candidates. I like the notion of travel time vs. travel distance so maybe someone can do that. Here is the travel distances (air miles) for West Virginia University and San Diego State University to BIG XII schools... WVU to ISU = 746; SDSU to ISU = 1464 WVU to KSU = 891; SDSU to KSU = 1251 WVU to KU = 828; SDSU to KU = 1305 WVU to OSU = 959; SDSU to OSU = 1182 WVU to OU = 1002; SDSU to OU = 1153 WVU to TTU = 1289; SDSU to TTU = 894 WVU to TCU = 1088; SDSU to TCU = 1160 WVU to BAYLOR = 1179; SDSU to BAYLOR = 1153 WVU to TEXAS = 1185; SDSU to TEXAS = 1157 WVU average distance to BIG XII schools = 1019 SDSU average distance to BIG XII schools = 1191 |
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