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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 11, 2014 10:14:36 GMT -8
So how do you view Rocky Long?
As a Program Builder who will take SDSU football up to heights that it hasn't seen since 1977, or as a caretaker maintaining the status quo (7-8 win regular seasons and minor bowl appearances)?
And why do you view him that way?
I'm going to hold off on any comments for now because I'd like to see your take and the reasoning for that take clearly articulated, pro or con.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 11, 2014 10:56:31 GMT -8
FYI, this is NOT a Fire Rocky Long thread. This is an opportunity to clearly articulate exactly why you believe what you believe about Rocky.
(If you can't do so without personal insults or attacks then please refrain from posting. This thread is an honest attempt to gain understanding about why we feel the way we do. We should be supporting each other as Aztec fans. If we can't do that then how can we get upset or disappointed when those in the community look down on Aztec football and it's fans?)
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Post by fisherville on Oct 11, 2014 11:33:15 GMT -8
Mediocre coach, not as bad as chucky but won't bring the program to relevance.
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Post by TruAztec on Oct 11, 2014 11:42:31 GMT -8
Hoke and Long brought something to us that we have lacked for decades, toughness. Our recruiting is getting better and once we have the athletes we need, we will take off, especially when we get a programming changing QB (or two). I really see the future as being extremely bright. We need some luck, lack of injuries and continued depth. If these factors come together, we are going to be the program we have wanted to be.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 11, 2014 11:44:44 GMT -8
Long has brought this team to the expectation of 8 or 9 wins and a lower level bowl game each year. We are one of the better teams in the MWC. That is about it. Something magical has to happen to this program to get it to the next level. Rocky Long is not that magician.
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Post by cmonaztecs on Oct 11, 2014 11:54:24 GMT -8
In his last press conference Rocky said most of the kids playing are real young(sophomore or freshman) and the future is bright, so I'll give him another year. So I guess that means we don't have enough Juniors and Seniors this year? Whose fault is that?
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Post by bearfoot on Oct 11, 2014 11:56:44 GMT -8
FYI, this is NOT a Fire Rocky Long thread. This is an opportunity to clearly articulate exactly why you believe what you believe about Rocky. (If you can't do so without personal insults or attacks then please refrain from posting. This thread is an honest attempt to gain understanding about why we feel the way we do. We should be supporting each other as Aztec fans. If we can't do that then how can we get upset or disappointed when those in the community look down on Aztec football and it's fans?) This isn't an anti Rocky poll. Neither was last weeks, or the week before that's, or the week before that's. I don't know if Rocky is the answer. I am satisfied with the improvement, season over season of our toughness. Most of all I like our improvement in retention of players, our transfers, and our RPi which was sorely lacking in the "You know who's" days. (No, his name does not rhyme with Buck Bong) What is needed is an invite to a B5. Then, we could afford an up and coming coach. Until then, we work on being the biggest fish in the guppy (non B5) pond.
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Post by AzTex on Oct 11, 2014 12:14:16 GMT -8
I give Rocky the thumbs up for one major reason, results. He has the 3rd best winning percentage in Aztec history. To get a coach that surpasses Coryell would take a miracle I can't imagine. Of course I never thought I'd live to see the success we've had in basketball.
Rocky has already taken us to heights not seen since 1977.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Oct 11, 2014 12:27:24 GMT -8
Is Rocky one the top 25 college coaches in America?...probably not (all of those top 25 coaches are currently coaching at a P5 school)
Is Rocky one of the best coaches at the mid-major level? Absolutely...in the top 5
Is Rocky a great value in term of wins versus salary ($800K /yr)? Absolutely...again in the top 5
Are there funds available to pay a top 25 coach...luring them away from a P5 program? Absolutely not...no way SDSU coughs up $3M /yr plus at least another $2M /yr for assistants...(double that number for a top 10 coach)
Rocky's teams show toughness and tenacity...his recruiting classes are improving each year adding depth to each position...we continue to send talent to the NFL each year...Rocky has the best W-L record in 30 years...we have been to 4 straight bowl games...
The real enemy isn't Rocky Long or Jim Sterk...the real enemy to all Aztec fans are the ADs at every P5 school, the league commissioners at every P5 conference and ESPN / NBC / CBS / Fox who have shut out SDSU from their party...and there is NOTHING we can do about it. We are where we are...so we better figure out how to make the best of it...and Rocky is one of those choices.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 12:50:40 GMT -8
Is Rocky one the top 25 college coaches in America?...probably not (all of those top 25 coaches are currently coaching at a P5 school) Is Rocky one of the best coaches at the mid-major level? Absolutely...in the top 5 Is Rocky a great value in term of wins versus salary ($800K /yr)? Absolutely...again in the top 5 Are there funds available to pay a top 25 coach...luring them away from a P5 program? Absolutely not...no way SDSU coughs up $3M /yr plus at least another $2M /yr for assistants...(double that number for a top 10 coach) Rocky's teams show toughness and tenacity...his recruiting classes are improving each year adding depth to each position...we continue to send talent to the NFL each year...Rocky has the best W-L record in 30 years...we have been to 4 straight bowl games... The real enemy isn't Rocky Long or Jim Sterk...the real enemy to all Aztec fans are the ADs at every P5 school, the league commissioners at every P5 conference and ESPN / NBC / CBS / Fox who have shut out SDSU from their party...and there is NOTHING we can do about it. We are where we are...so we better figure out how to make the best of it...and Rocky is one of those choices. Well put.
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Post by mySTRAS on Oct 11, 2014 12:56:57 GMT -8
How about a third option: Invisible
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Post by podpeople on Oct 11, 2014 12:59:26 GMT -8
all any program needs is a good college quarterback, and a stout defense. Look at what Boise did a few years ago. IFwe can develop a QB, we'll be on our way. That's a big IF.
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Post by mySTRAS on Oct 11, 2014 13:04:00 GMT -8
all any program needs is a good college quarterback, and a stout defense. Look at what Boise did a few years ago. IFwe can develop a QB, we'll be on our way. That's a big IF. Agreed. How hard can it be to recruit one decent high school quarterback to freakin' San Diego?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 15:44:07 GMT -8
This team is only lacking a better quarterback(Jury out on Bawden) and more consistent receivers. Defense is excellent special team much improved, oline solid running back exceptional.How may Qbs has Rocky brought in that were not here already?
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Post by SDAztec on Oct 11, 2014 16:48:08 GMT -8
If those are the 2 options to choose from, then that is a very narrow view of things and explains why this board has gone from informative to intolerable.
Rocky is neither of those 2 options for SDSU. Rocky is a hard nosed, tough SOB, old school brick layer building a foundation. He is building it meticulously and the right way so that the program remains strong. He isn't just tossing the program togeather to make it look good and run off to the next job.
I don't know how many of you have ever built a car or been in construction. A good example would be tract houses that developers threw togeater a few years ago. They may have looked great 2 months after they were built, but 1/2 the houses have major issues with shotty construction less than 10 years later. Meanwhile the hand built homes from the 40's are still standing in areas of SD.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Oct 11, 2014 16:57:24 GMT -8
If those are the 2 options to choose from, then that is a very narrow view of things and explains why this board has gone from informative to intolerable. Rocky is neither of those 2 options for SDSU. Rocky is a hard nosed, tough SOB, old school brick layer building a foundation. He is building it meticulously and the right way so that the program remains strong. He isn't just tossing the program togeather to make it look good and run off to the next job. I don't know how many of you have ever built a car or been in construction. A good example would be tract houses that developers threw togeater a few years ago. They may have looked great 2 months after they were built, but 1/2 the houses have major issues with shotty construction less than 10 years later. Meanwhile the hand built homes from the 40's are still standing in areas of SD. Thank you. Sent from my Admiral Mark 01 Telegraph machine via Sputnik
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Post by McQuervo on Oct 11, 2014 17:19:41 GMT -8
How do you Eric, see our Record in comparison to 1990 on? Thats the real question.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 17:21:05 GMT -8
Long has brought this team to the expectation of 8 or 9 wins and a lower level bowl game each year. We are one of the better teams in the MWC. That is about it. Something magical has to happen to this program to get it to the next level. Rocky Long is not that magician. To segue from that, until SDSU shows it's willing to make its coaching staff the BEST paid in the Molehill West rather than merely at the mediation of MWC staffs, Rocky is as good as it's going to get. Therefore, those who want Rocky replaced need to explain where the money is going to come from to hire somebody better.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 17:22:24 GMT -8
How do you Eric, see our Record in comparison to 1990 on? Thats the real question. It's EriK, with a "k." Like Erik the Red of Viking lore.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 17:24:11 GMT -8
This team is only lacking a better quarterback(Jury out on Bawden) and more consistent receivers. Defense is excellent special team much improved, oline solid running back exceptional.How may Qbs has Rocky brought in that were not here already? This too. It scares the hell out of me to think that Jake Rodrigues might be overrated. But then that's just me. Maybe.
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