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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 11, 2014 22:57:00 GMT -8
I know a lot of people are pointing to youth on this team as a sign for better things to come. I know a lot of people are pointing to better recruiting and improved toughness of said recruits (and with prior recruits). I just remember going into 1999 with high expectations because of a heavily senior led team, and that team ended up being terrible (except for the defense).
Recruits are like NFL draft picks. Only about half end up working out anywhere near expectations. It's a crapshoot, so I don't put much stock in the idea that our recruits are going to make this huge difference. Yes - it CAN happen. It may actually happen here - or it may not. We don't know.
All the support of Rocky is based on maintaining the level we've been at (when, truthfully, over the last two seasons we've slipped a little) and the expectation that he is doing a better job of recruiting tougher players. But Rocky's in his fourth year now, and he played a significant role in recruiting players for two years prior to taking over as HC. This is HIS team, with HIS players. MAYBE we are getting better recruits because of our recent success. Maybe not - we just don't know for sure, and we won't know for a couple more years.
I'm looking at the performances on the field, and I see a mediocre team. I see a team where the coaching staff has failed to recruit a good QB. Can the QB's we've got be coached up? I sure hope so!
I don't know. This just has that, "Been there, done that," feel. In Tollner's time it was at the end of his tenure, it was always, "NEXT year we'll be good." Then Craft's teams teased with moments of brilliance followed by losses that shouldn't have happened. Chuck Long's supporters always said, "He needs four years to get his guys in," while on the sidelines Chuck and his coordinators were completely inept. Chuck could have coached NFL talent and still had a .500 record in the Mountain West at that time (with Utah and TCU and BYU). Now with Rocky we're hearing more, "Next year," comments. Why is it with SDSU the really good year is always, "Next year," and not this year?
You know damned well if next year looks like this year and 2013 that we'll read more, "Next year," comments here. A lot of people are terrified at the prospect of change. The fear of hiring another Chuck Long is so great that mediocrity is preferable. I get that. I'd rather have a mediocre team than a flat out crappy one, too.
But I'm not afraid of a coaching change because we don't have Jeff Schemmel as AD to completely disregard the excellent advice of a hiring consultant. Last time we got Hoke and company thanks to our own in house search committee. I have no doubt that next time will see another good hire because the AD will not be allowed to hire the new coach on his own.
Rocky's here now. Rocky's doing a good job. Rocky could be doing a better job if his time wasn't divided between two full time positions. Rocky likely will be here next year. After that? Who knows? The guy is almost 65!
I just see him as a caretaker because that's why he was hired. He was hired as the, "Safe," hire to continue the Hoke plan. He has continued that basic plan, putting his own spin on it. He was hired for continuity, and that's what we got. And, absolutely, 7-5 or 8-4 is a lot better than 3-9 or 4-8.
But it's not 10-2 or even 9-3, and that's what we need to keep this program alive for more than the next 10 or 15 years. You all know how bad the attendance is. It's a joke - a bad one.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 11, 2014 22:57:18 GMT -8
Look, we're all Aztec fans. We're SUPPOSED to be on the same side. Maybe I was misguided enough to think that my dedication, devotion, and enthusiasm for this program would transcend my criticism of Rocky Long and the rest of the Aztec fans here would understand where I was coming from and at least accept that my heart was in the right place. I'd say that ALL our hearts are in the right place.
Like I said, it looks like I was wrong about many of you understanding why I have the opinions, beliefs, and feelings about this program that I do. I want nothing but as much success as this program can achieve. And I want this program to survive and I want it to thrive.
If my tenaciousness has rubbed any of you the wrong way then I honestly apologize.
Chances are, you will never meet a more dedicated Aztec fan who did not attend SDSU than me. I hoped that would be enough to overlook differences of opinion on what is best for this program. Again, it looks like I was wrong. I do make mistakes, too.
I would hope that you can understand and accept that.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 12, 2014 7:30:12 GMT -8
Look, we're all Aztec fans. We're SUPPOSED to be on the same side. Maybe I was misguided enough to think that my dedication, devotion, and enthusiasm for this program would transcend my criticism of Rocky Long and the rest of the Aztec fans here would understand where I was coming from and at least accept that my heart was in the right place. I'd say that ALL our hearts are in the right place. Like I said, it looks like I was wrong about many of you understanding why I have the opinions, beliefs, and feelings about this program that I do. I want nothing but as much success as this program can achieve. And I want this program to survive and I want it to thrive. If my tenaciousness has rubbed any of you the wrong way then I honestly apologize.Chances are, you will never meet a more dedicated Aztec fan who did not attend SDSU than me. I hoped that would be enough to overlook differences of opinion on what is best for this program. Again, it looks like I was wrong. I do make mistakes, too. I would hope that you can understand and accept that. Sadly, your fervor for this issue is not well timed. A mid season crusade was never gonna work in the first place, especially after last season where an 0-3 start turned into a blowout win in a bowl game. Fans are naturally more patient because of that. The problem with your logic is that you think a new hire will automatically mean a dramatic increase in fan support and attendance but just like with basketball we all know that community buy-in only comes from that one magical season. The majority of us believe that Rocky is more likely to get us there in the next few years than a new coach would. You take a lot of flack for your crusades because you've said your peace 1000 times and people still don't agree with you, yet you keep trying to have this discussion over and over again until it goes your way. You can caveat this as "not a fire Rocky thread" all you like but We all know what you are doing. I also personally believe that the path you advocate for is dangerous. We don't have the resources to hire a "win now" staff and rolling the dice on an up and comer has a far greater chance of backfiring and giving us a chuck long. Look, you wanted a discussion and you've had it over and over again. The majority of this board does not agree with you and has given legitimate reasons for their opinions. But if you keep reacting with heavy handed mod powers to what are legitimate criticisms of your actions, you will begin eroding the membership here and posters will leave for either the mwcboard or one of the other Aztec boards. This post has not violated any forum rules and if it is deleted or modified, you will have officially lost this Aztec fan from this message board community.
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Post by retiredaztec on Oct 12, 2014 7:34:36 GMT -8
I'm watching the State and the UNLV game on Friday night, cocktail(s) in hand, accepting the reality these programs are just "there".
If SDSU was serious about shaking up the men's football program they would consider something like throwing a bone to Matthew Mcconaughey, TCU's OC, if the intent was to replace Long. Keeping Long on the job, neither good nor bad in it's intent, simply means the status quo is acceptable. Which means any talk regarding leaving the MW is pipe dream. And I never thought for one minute, given this program's modest accomplishments, that was a bad thing.
Meanwhile, if Utah State continues its on field success this season, they'll no doubt be looking for a new head coach at the end of the year. What would follow would be pure speculation.
Now which position would one rather have State's program in?
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Post by legkick on Oct 12, 2014 7:36:15 GMT -8
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The contents of this post have not violated any forum rules, and if deleted, it will further demonstrate what too many are suspecting has happened to this board.
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Post by SDAztec on Oct 12, 2014 7:51:59 GMT -8
I had 3 posts deleted that asked why other members posts were deleted, and one critical of the mod stating he has no right to do so. None were personal attacks... I know for FACT there have been posters that were banned for questioning the mod.
Here is the PM I recieved from the Mod... "Any questions or comments about Mod decisions .should be addressed by PM.That's all..."
And when he was called out for deleing the posts...
"Criticism of other board members is prohibited except by pm."
I for one will Not be back. Hopefully the other board gets some better traffic soon.
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Post by aztecsiggy on Oct 12, 2014 7:55:00 GMT -8
Dear Mod, I accept your apology. I accept your opinion that Rocky isn't the coach to take SDSU to the next level. I accept you as a fellow SDSU supporter. I don't appreciate having to read the same opinion, redundantly expressed in the vast majority of your posts in various threads (nice run- on). I invite you limit the expression of this opinion to once a week. A fellow Aztec
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 7:55:44 GMT -8
This team is only lacking a better quarterback(Jury out on Bawden) and more consistent receivers. Defense is excellent special team much improved, oline solid running back exceptional.How may Qbs has Rocky brought in that were not here already? This too. It scares the hell out of me to think that Jake Rodrigues might be overrated. But then that's just me. No it's not just you, i am concerned too,however he should be decent if not great. He has a history of foot injury and that really worry's me. The other thing that gets me is all these redshirt being blown for minimal experience. Holder and Penny in particular we now that in all likelihood Price and Pumphrey will be the tow backs or Stamps. Why waste a year of Penny sitting on the bench in 2015 so he can only contribute as a rb two years?
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Post by aztecron on Oct 12, 2014 8:33:33 GMT -8
Rocky is retirement age (almost 65). By coaching standards these days that's pretty old. Too old to be taking on double duty, and as we've struggled to beat bad teams (and have lost to some) over the last two seasons I'd say his divided time is showing on the field. I would love to see how far this program could go under Rocky IF he wasn't so damned stubborn and would just hire a real DC. He did it at New Mexico - when he was younger and had more energy to devote to the job! Why the hell won't he do that here? His own answers indicate that he's just stubborn and doesn't trust anyone else to do it - even though it was done successfully with his system in New Mexico. His behavior is that of a stubborn old man rather than a vital, creative coach willing to do whatever it takes (within the rules) to win every possible game. Speaking of stubborn, pot calling the kettle black here, eh?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 12, 2014 8:55:41 GMT -8
Ok, enough.
I've posted my mea culpa and an apology to anyone that I have inadvertently offended in some way over my desire to see the Aztec football program elevated to the next level asap. I don't know what more I can say.
But I do expect that the personal discussion and silly high school-esque drama will stop here.
If an admission of overzealousness and an apology isn't enough for you please refrain from posting your personal gripes here on the open board and let me have it by pm.
OK?
Thanks.
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Post by SDAztec on Oct 12, 2014 9:21:08 GMT -8
Ok, enough. I've posted my mea culpa and an apology to anyone that I have inadvertently offended in some way over my desire to see the Aztec football program elevated to the next level asap. I don't know what more I can say. But I do expect that the personal discussion and silly high school-esque drama will stop here. If an admission of overzealousness and an apology isn't enough for you please refrain from posting your personal gripes here on the open board and let me have it by pm. OK? Thanks. It needs to be an adult out in the open discussion. No name calling or finger pointing needed, but what has been happening with posts needs to be discussed in public, not a private pm where it can be swept under.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 12, 2014 9:41:59 GMT -8
Ok, enough. I've posted my mea culpa and an apology to anyone that I have inadvertently offended in some way over my desire to see the Aztec football program elevated to the next level asap. I don't know what more I can say. But I do expect that the personal discussion and silly high school-esque drama will stop here. If an admission of overzealousness and an apology isn't enough for you please refrain from posting your personal gripes here on the open board and let me have it by pm. OK? Thanks. It needs to be an adult out in the open discussion. No name calling or finger pointing needed, but what has been happening with posts needs to be discussed in public, not a private pm where it can be swept under. As I have noted multiple times, we are not going to add to the drama on the board. Please send me a pm if you do have any concerns. Thanks.
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Post by KickAztec on Oct 12, 2014 17:12:54 GMT -8
Why does there need to be censorship? Why is a discussion of moderation tactics not allowed? I don't get it.
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Post by fanhood on Oct 12, 2014 17:27:01 GMT -8
Since we are on this topic, why do I have this "25% warning" in my profile. I still think the guy I called an idiot a few months back is indeed an idiot. So why was I warned? :-)
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 12, 2014 19:36:33 GMT -8
Why does there need to be censorship? Why is a discussion of moderation tactics not allowed? I don't get it. Because this isn't mob rule, nor is it the wild west. Discussion of moderation style and philosophy is welcomed - by pm. We are VERY responsive to feedback from forum members. We just don't want that discussion to dominate the open board. We want the discussion on the board to stay on topic as much as possible. We have adjusted forum rules and even the forums themselves based on member feedback and suggestions through pm. And on occasion we've even put things up for member vote when we weren't sure which option was best. But a bitch fest bashing the mod staff is no more OK than any other criticisms of board members. We do what we honestly believe to be in the best interest of the board as a whole and for the majority of its members.
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Post by HighNTight on Oct 13, 2014 10:12:52 GMT -8
This whole thread is one big LoL ... sad but true
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Post by eeaztec on Oct 30, 2014 7:02:04 GMT -8
Just wanted to remind people of the results of this poll.
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Post by vision on Oct 30, 2014 8:08:43 GMT -8
best coach sdsu has ever had. consistent, no drama, affordable, wins, not planning to jump ship, good teacher. we are lucky to have him....it could be worse and always has in the modern era.
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Post by fanhood on Oct 30, 2014 8:19:53 GMT -8
ahhhh, what do you know. The overwhelming majority sees Rocky Long as the guy that will take us to the next level. I would argue that he already has, and will continue to grow the program.
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Post by fanhood on Oct 30, 2014 8:28:57 GMT -8
More positives - clean program - no off the field issues - high graduation rate - most wins in a three year period since Claude Gilbert was the coach - won a conference title and has been in the hunt each year including this one - has beaten a power 5 school (Washington State). Yes I agree we need to beat more, so detractors, don't pick apart this one point - team plays with toughness - we run the ball and use the playaction, just as offense is supposed to be played - attendance has improved significantly - we are never unprepared to play, and have rarely been blown out - significant improvement in the development of the offensive and defensive lines - consistently has recruited high level RBs, finding guys that fit the system and makes them stars - not a caricature of a coach like Hoke and many others. Rocky does not speak in cliches, rather he gives honest answers to honest and stupid questions - the players love him and play hard for him. When was the last time you ever saw an Aztec Defense fly to the ball like this one? - he delegates offensive responsibilities to proven coaches (Ludwig, Toledo, etc)
Negatives.... - we have failed to recruit top level QBs thus far - at times has struggled to close out big games in the 4th quarter (Fresno State x 3, North Carolina)
If given the opportunity Rocky Long will become the second winningest coach in SDSU history, right behind Saint Don. He could potentially pass Saint Don if he stays another 10 years. I easily see us averaging 8 to 10 wins a season with Rocky as the coach for the long haul.
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