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Post by AztecBill on Apr 4, 2014 13:22:02 GMT -8
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 4, 2014 13:23:29 GMT -8
The scam is on its last legs. This is usually the point where the scamsters get more shrill or louder.
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Post by uwphoto on Apr 4, 2014 14:14:43 GMT -8
Bill, maybe you could answer this question for me. Why can't you find any climate change "deniers" among the Inuit? These are indigenous peoples of the polar regions who depend on the movements of wildlife for subsistence each year. These movements are based on the extent, and timing, of yearly ice formation and average temperature. Opinions of the Inuit are not based on science, but from what they see, and experience, on the ground. The opinions are also based on anecdotal evidence passed down from elders. These peoples survival depends on the surrounding environment, so they would naturally be more attuned to dramatic changes than the basic armchair 'denier".
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Post by aztec70 on Apr 5, 2014 6:25:08 GMT -8
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 7, 2014 12:42:03 GMT -8
Bill, maybe you could answer this question for me. Why can't you find any climate change "deniers" among the Inuit? These are indigenous peoples of the polar regions who depend on the movements of wildlife for subsistence each year. These movements are based on the extent, and timing, of yearly ice formation and average temperature. Opinions of the Inuit are not based on science, but from what they see, and experience, on the ground. The opinions are also based on anecdotal evidence passed down from elders. These peoples survival depends on the surrounding environment, so they would naturally be more attuned to dramatic changes than the basic armchair 'denier". anecdotal evidence from what people remember is a very bad measure of global climate. Some Vikings told me that Greenland had much less ice a while back. |
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 7, 2014 12:44:12 GMT -8
With another "below average" month of temperatures in March, we now have added two months to the time frame where we have had ZERO Warming. Those freshmen in college, who have heard about global warming ad nauseam, have lived in a world that has not warmed their entire lives.  |
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Post by aztec70 on Apr 7, 2014 12:58:26 GMT -8
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 7, 2014 13:08:57 GMT -8
I notice that graph has no reference. It doesn't look like any of the 4 recognized temperature keeping data. None of them show temperatures much above the 1998 and 1934 records. I highly doubt that is global temperatures. What I linked was satellite data. The IPCC even acknowleges the "pause" in temperature rise. How can you be serious linking a graph that shows 0.7 degree increase over the prior 18 years, when 0.7 is the entire increase since the end of the little ice age in 1850. Posting this link is just a demonstration of how gullible you are. Typical of those buying this scam. |
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 7, 2014 13:13:52 GMT -8
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Post by uwphoto on Apr 7, 2014 13:49:26 GMT -8
Bill, maybe you could answer this question for me. Why can't you find any climate change "deniers" among the Inuit? These are indigenous peoples of the polar regions who depend on the movements of wildlife for subsistence each year. These movements are based on the extent, and timing, of yearly ice formation and average temperature. Opinions of the Inuit are not based on science, but from what they see, and experience, on the ground. The opinions are also based on anecdotal evidence passed down from elders. These peoples survival depends on the surrounding environment, so they would naturally be more attuned to dramatic changes than the basic armchair 'denier". anecdotal evidence from what people remember is a very bad measure of global climate. Some Vikings told me that Greenland had much less ice a while back. Extremely weak response, even for you. The Inuit have about 70 terms for "ice" and 50 for "snow". They are very attuned to the movements of animals based on ice because their survival depends on it. Oral tradition passed down, even if only for 100 years, would talk about areas that have never been ice free before, or ice bridges that were necessary for access at certain times of year based on animal migrations. They also know which animals have not historically been seen before in Polar regions, such as robins. Nice dodge. |
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Post by aztecwin on Apr 7, 2014 13:56:04 GMT -8
anecdotal evidence from what people remember is a very bad measure of global climate. Some Vikings told me that Greenland had much less ice a while back. Extremely weak response, even for you. The Inuit have about 70 terms for "ice" and 50 for "snow". They are very attuned to the movements of animals based on ice because their survival depends on it. Oral tradition passed down, even if only for 100 years, would talk about areas that have never been ice free before, or ice bridges that were necessary for access at certain times of year based on animal migrations. They also know which animals have not historically been seen before in Polar regions, such as robins. Nice dodge. We can find evidence both anecdotal and scientific to support our ideas on this issue. When we look at the long term cycles, we would be forced to bet that Robins have been up there before. |
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 7, 2014 14:20:47 GMT -8
anecdotal evidence from what people remember is a very bad measure of global climate. Some Vikings told me that Greenland had much less ice a while back. Extremely weak response, even for you. The Inuit have about 70 terms for "ice" and 50 for "snow". They are very attuned to the movements of animals based on ice because their survival depends on it. Oral tradition passed down, even if only for 100 years, would talk about areas that have never been ice free before, or ice bridges that were necessary for access at certain times of year based on animal migrations. They also know which animals have not historically been seen before in Polar regions, such as robins. Nice dodge. So they can remember something called the little ice age? That ended only 164 years ago. So what? Talk about weak. Some people remember colder times so man's CO2 must be warming the planet? Wow! That is a huge stretch. Maybe we can talk to farmers about the dust bowl. Would that prove cooling? Warmists love to point to all the bad things that are happening from the warming that is not happening. Weak. The cold temperatures this winter in the US will lead to more and stronger tornadoes. Warmists can't wait to say that warming (which isn't happening) caused it. |
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Post by aztec70 on Apr 7, 2014 15:00:23 GMT -8
I notice that graph has no reference. It doesn't look like any of the 4 recognized temperature keeping data. None of them show temperatures much above the 1998 and 1934 records. I highly doubt that is global temperatures. What I linked was satellite data. The IPCC even acknowleges the "pause" in temperature rise. How can you be serious linking a graph that shows 0.7 degree increase over the prior 18 years, when 0.7 is the entire increase since the end of the little ice age in 1850. Posting this link is just a demonstration of how gullible you are. Typical of those buying this scam. What would be gullible would be thinking a 17 year chart has more credibility than one for over a century. You are the chart man. Post a hundred year chart. |
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Post by aztec70 on Apr 7, 2014 15:06:22 GMT -8
Thanks for the article, Bill. It says the Russians will be using them to escort vessels through the winter. Now if you think that Russia is building an Arctic seaport and buying icebreakers to extend the shipping season year around is proving they are not buying the "scam", let me just say....LOL |
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Post by davdesid on Apr 7, 2014 15:34:32 GMT -8
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Post by aztec70 on Apr 7, 2014 20:48:28 GMT -8
Ummm, the ice reached its maximum on March 21. Not even two weeks ago. Winter is not over. |
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 8, 2014 7:20:47 GMT -8
Ummm, the ice reached its maximum on March 21. Not even two weeks ago. Winter is not over. It is of interest that the Great Lakes had the "second highest" ice cover "ever" this year. It is quoted of course because, as always, when you hear things like this you have to realize it is actually "the second most since some point in time when they started keep records". There is no doubt it was "recently" covered with ice year round. Recently is quoted because "recently" is a relative term and used in this context in a geologic frame of mind. |
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 8, 2014 7:21:51 GMT -8
Thanks for the article, Bill. It says the Russians will be using them to escort vessels through the winter. Now if you think that Russia is building an Arctic seaport and buying icebreakers to extend the shipping season year around is proving they are not buying the "scam", let me just say....LOL That shows a change in technologoy not a change in sea ice. The difference in sea ice during the height of winter is inconsequential in this context. |
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 8, 2014 7:31:20 GMT -8
It is rather funny that there has been no change in temperature in 18+ years but we have people pointing at ice and saying look at the ice it must warming. My respose is to point at thermometers and exclaim "what warming".
I wonder if you take a piece of ice and place it on a table, can you measure the room's change in temperature by how much it has melted. When it is half way melted does that prove the room must be warming? When it is completely melted and dripping off the edge of the table surly it must be due to the room getting warmer, because the ice was not melted merely 10 minutes before. The little ice age only ended 10 minutes ago in geologic terms. The warmists know this but the people are gullible.
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Post by aztec70 on Apr 9, 2014 6:30:51 GMT -8
Thanks for the article, Bill. It says the Russians will be using them to escort vessels through the winter. Now if you think that Russia is building an Arctic seaport and buying icebreakers to extend the shipping season year around is proving they are not buying the "scam", let me just say....LOL That shows a change in technologoy not a change in sea ice. The difference in sea ice during the height of winter is inconsequential in this context. Still laughing. |
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