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Post by RiffelBooks on Jul 22, 2024 17:31:41 GMT -8
Gwynn, Leonard, Faulk, with Schauffele knocking Strasburg off the cliff face (players only). You can also do a college performance only, ignoring the pros: Butler, Faulk, Eric Wynalda, Duncan McFarland If you include Duncan McFarland, you have to include Chris Marlowe For the NCAA championship and Olympic gold medal. That's the trouble with only having four. |
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Post by mySTRAS on Jul 22, 2024 17:56:58 GMT -8
Gwynn, Leonard, Faulk, with Schauffele knocking Strasburg off the cliff face (players only). You can also do a college performance only, ignoring the pros: Butler, Faulk, Eric Wynalda, Duncan McFarland College only... Strasburg is probably #1 on the mountain. National player of the year, #1 overall draft pick (and still the considered the best pro-prospect ever), only college player on the Olympic team. Butler under-performed for 4 years... except for one shot. |
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Post by Gundo on Jul 22, 2024 19:47:58 GMT -8
Gwynn, Leonard, Faulk, with Schauffele knocking Strasburg off the cliff face (players only). You can also do a college performance only, ignoring the pros: Butler, Faulk, Eric Wynalda, Duncan McFarland College only... Strasbrsurg is probably #1 on the mountain. National player of the year, #1 overall draft pick (and still the considered the best pro-prospect ever), only college player on the Olympic team. Butler under-performed for 4 years... except for one shot. The Butler comment isn't cool, agreed he was not the greatest shooter, but was our inspirational leader, and a great intuitive player. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 22, 2024 19:59:30 GMT -8
College only... Strasbrsurg is probably #1 on the mountain. National player of the year, #1 overall draft pick (and still the considered the best pro-prospect ever), only college player on the Olympic team. Butler under-performed for 4 years... except for one shot. The Butler comment isn't cool, agreed he was not the greatest shooter, but was our inspirational leader, and a great intuitive player. And, a great defensive player. |
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Post by jp92grad on Jul 22, 2024 20:06:43 GMT -8
College only... Strasbrsurg is probably #1 on the mountain. National player of the year, #1 overall draft pick (and still the considered the best pro-prospect ever), only college player on the Olympic team. Butler under-performed for 4 years... except for one shot. The Butler comment isn't cool, agreed he was not the greatest shooter, but was our inspirational leader, and a great intuitive player. Butler was a good player and great team guy but NOT a Mt. Rushmore type player. He was solid player for 4 years but never progressed from year to year like everyone hoped, he played and improved or should we say learned the defense but never really turned the corner on offense. Butler was a really good player but Michael Cage is a few steps above Butler in the Mt. Rushmore conversation. |
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Post by missiontrails on Jul 22, 2024 20:20:54 GMT -8
The Butler comment isn't cool, agreed he was not the greatest shooter, but was our inspirational leader, and a great intuitive player. Butler was a good player and great team guy but NOT a Mt. Rushmore type player. He was solid player for 4 years but never progressed from year to year like everyone hoped, he played and improved or should we say learned the defense but never really turned the corner on offense. Butler was a really good player but Michael Cage is a few steps above Butler in the Mt. Rushmore conversation. Agreed with all this. But if you could have a Mt Rushmore for single greatest Aztec moment, Butler goes up there first in my opinion. Maybe an argument can be made for men's volleyball in 1975. Was there a kill shot that sealed it? I wasn't following that story back in my formative years. Any other great single moments? Pumphrey breaking the all-time rushing record? Todd Santos breaking the all-time passing record? Strasburg's 23rd strikeout vs Utah? Football slaughtering Florida State? Jamaal Franklin knocking down Kemba Walker? OK, scratch that last one - www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwD2hve6Svo |
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Post by mySTRAS on Jul 22, 2024 21:05:50 GMT -8
Butler was a good player and great team guy but NOT a Mt. Rushmore type player. He was solid player for 4 years but never progressed from year to year like everyone hoped, he played and improved or should we say learned the defense but never really turned the corner on offense. Butler was a really good player but Michael Cage is a few steps above Butler in the Mt. Rushmore conversation. Agreed with all this. But if you could have a Mt Rushmore for single greatest Aztec moment, Butler goes up there first in my opinion. Maybe an argument can be made for men's volleyball in 1975. Was there a kill shot that sealed it? I wasn't following that story back in my formative years. Any other great single moments? Pumphrey breaking the all-time rushing record? Todd Santos breaking the all-time passing record? Strasburg's 23rd strikeout vs Utah? Football slaughtering Florida State? Jamaal Franklin knocking down Kemba Walker? OK, scratch that last one - www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwD2hve6SvoJamaal's self-ally-oop, Strasburg's no-hitter, basketball vs. Kansas, Marshall destroying USC on national television. |
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Post by fisherville on Jul 22, 2024 22:31:00 GMT -8
Strasburg to me is more of a lock than kawhi. Tony and marshall are musts, if you are including coaches fisher is at least in the discussion. The basketball program he made into a consistent success.
Ultimately for me
Gwynn
Faulk
Strasburg
Fisher
HM: Kawhi/Coryell/Xander
Strasburg was as dominating a college player i’ve ever seen, even more so than Skenes. Fisher ultimately gets the nod cause he picked up a basketball program from despair into a rather consistent winner. Dutcher has taken the program to heights fisher didn’t, but without fisher picking up the program dutcher wouldn’t be able to.
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Post by jp92grad on Jul 23, 2024 0:54:24 GMT -8
Agreed with all this. But if you could have a Mt Rushmore for single greatest Aztec moment, Butler goes up there first in my opinion. Maybe an argument can be made for men's volleyball in 1975. Was there a kill shot that sealed it? I wasn't following that story back in my formative years. Any other great single moments? Pumphrey breaking the all-time rushing record? Todd Santos breaking the all-time passing record? Strasburg's 23rd strikeout vs Utah? Football slaughtering Florida State? Jamaal Franklin knocking down Kemba Walker? OK, scratch that last one - www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwD2hve6SvoJamaal's self-ally-oop, Strasburg's no-hitter, basketball vs. Kansas, Marshall destroying USC on national television. Don't forget about Coach Fisher walking around giving out tickets, maybe one of the most talked about things ever during TV coverage of SDSU Basketball. |
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Post by longtimebooster on Jul 23, 2024 5:12:41 GMT -8
College only... Strasbrsurg is probably #1 on the mountain. National player of the year, #1 overall draft pick (and still the considered the best pro-prospect ever), only college player on the Olympic team. Butler under-performed for 4 years... except for one shot. The Butler comment isn't cool, agreed he was not the greatest shooter, but was our inspirational leader, and a great intuitive player. All this discounting of Butler is utter nonsense. His buzzer beater in the Final Four was the single greatest moment in the history of SDSU athletics. Nothing else to date comes close. Neither Faulk, Gywnn nor Strasburg had as many eyes on them in college as Butler did. And I would argue that perhaps only Faulk during the Super Bowl attracted more eyes. 15 million people watched that game, and another 20 million people watched the following game. The next day several million more watched replays of The Shot. And on social media, that moment has lived on. It's likely that well over 100 million people have watched The Shot on various social media platforms. That's bonkers. As for Butler's prowess as a basketball player, he was a MWC DPOY. That's remarkable in and of itself. No, his offensive skill plateaued early in his career. He never became a dead-eye three-point shooter, and not often enough could he put the team on his shoulders offensively (though he had his moments.) But none of that matters because he made a singular mark on the biggest stage at the biggest moment. I was there. It was beyond bonkers. For a lifelong suffering SDSU fan it was like a dream. No other SDSU athlete can claim to have done the same. |
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Post by missiontrails on Jul 23, 2024 6:41:27 GMT -8
The Butler comment isn't cool, agreed he was not the greatest shooter, but was our inspirational leader, and a great intuitive player. All this discounting of Butler is utter nonsense. His buzzer beater in the Final Four was the single greatest moment in the history of SDSU athletics. Nothing else to date comes close. Neither Faulk, Gywnn nor Strasburg had as many eyes on them in college as Butler did. And I would argue that perhaps only Faulk during the Super Bowl attracted more eyes. 15 million people watched that game, and another 20 million people watched the following game. The next day several million more watched replays of The Shot. And on social media, that moment has lived on. It's likely that well over 100 million people have watched The Shot on various social media platforms. That's bonkers. As for Butler's prowess as a basketball player, he was a MWC DPOY. That's remarkable in and of itself. No, his offensive skill plateaued early in his career. He never became a dead-eye three-point shooter, and not often enough could he put the team on his shoulders offensively (though he had his moments.) But none of that matters because he made a singular mark on the biggest stage at the biggest moment. I was there. It was beyond bonkers. For a lifelong suffering SDSU fan it was like a dream. No other SDSU athlete can claim to have done the same. To tack onto this, Butler on several occasions ended team-wide scoring droughts by putting the ball on the floor and getting to the hoop for an often-times spectacular layup. Other times it was an easy layup because he has an innate ability to change speeds and blow by his defender. He definitely still had some weaknesses with us, most notably 3-point and foul shooting, but pretty much every player has weak spots of some sort. |
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Post by hoobs on Jul 23, 2024 6:51:28 GMT -8
This will be nice & controversial
Why Tony Gwynn as one of the top 4 for "Aztec Rushmore" status? Based solely on time @ SDSU, not as a pro -- which I think should be the criterion for everyone under consideration... I don't think he qualifies.
Duncan McFarland (Tournament MVP on National Championship team)
Faulk
Strasburg
Fisher
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Post by RiffelBooks on Jul 23, 2024 7:00:18 GMT -8
This will be nice & controversial Why Tony Gwynn as one of the top 4 for "Aztec Rushmore" status? Based solely on time @ SDSU, not as a pro -- which I think should be the criterion for everyone under consideration... I don't think he qualifies. Duncan McFarland (Tournament MVP on National Championship team) Faulk Strasburg Fisher T Gwynn doesn't come close to cutting it if you're only talking about college performance. SDSU has had several better "college only" baseball players, including his brother Chris. Another baseball player who should get some love is Travis Lee, who won the Golden Spikes award. |
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Post by aztecfred on Jul 23, 2024 7:07:07 GMT -8
But, he also played 4 quality years (still leader in assists?)on BB(2nd round pick) team.
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Post by Sdsu4life on Jul 23, 2024 7:25:17 GMT -8
Agreed with all this. But if you could have a Mt Rushmore for single greatest Aztec moment, Butler goes up there first in my opinion. Maybe an argument can be made for men's volleyball in 1975. Was there a kill shot that sealed it? I wasn't following that story back in my formative years. Any other great single moments? Pumphrey breaking the all-time rushing record? Todd Santos breaking the all-time passing record? Strasburg's 23rd strikeout vs Utah? Football slaughtering Florida State? Jamaal Franklin knocking down Kemba Walker? OK, scratch that last one - www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwD2hve6SvoJamaal's self-ally-oop, Strasburg's no-hitter, basketball vs. Kansas, Marshall destroying USC on national television. And none of those got us the the national championship. Those were flashy and big moments for sdsu fans, but not for the national stage and not for out exposure to the national. The Butler shot was the single greatest play/shot/moment in school history. It wasn't just a great Aztec moment, but it was one of the greatest moments in NCAA tourney history. |
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Post by docmm on Jul 23, 2024 8:16:27 GMT -8
Jamaal's self-ally-oop, Strasburg's no-hitter, basketball vs. Kansas, Marshall destroying USC on national television. And none of those got us the the national championship. Those were flashy and big moments for sdsu fans, but not for the national stage and not for out exposure to the national. The Butler shot was the single greatest play/shot/moment in school history. It wasn't just a great Aztec moment, but it was one of the greatest moments in NCAA tourney history. It was the first time in NCAA Tournament history where somebody made a Final Four buzzer-beater while they were behind. |
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Post by longtimebooster on Jul 23, 2024 8:46:31 GMT -8
This will be nice & controversial Why Tony Gwynn as one of the top 4 for "Aztec Rushmore" status? Based solely on time @ SDSU, not as a pro -- which I think should be the criterion for everyone under consideration... I don't think he qualifies. Duncan McFarland (Tournament MVP on National Championship team) Faulk Strasburg Fisher T Gwynn doesn't come close to cutting it if you're only talking about college performance. SDSU has had several better "college only" baseball players, including his brother Chris. Another baseball player who should get some love is Travis Lee, who won the Golden Spikes award. What, are you nuts? T. Gwynn was a fabulous college baseball player. I can't find his SDSU stats online, but I recall he hit a blistering .400+ while on the Mesa. Toss in his college hoops career, where he still holds the all-time assists record, and he's by far the best two-sport athlete in the school's history. And all that's without his pro career. |
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Post by zbt69 on Jul 23, 2024 8:53:06 GMT -8
There should be two Mt.Rushmores. One for athletes and one for coaches and administraters. One would be Marshall Faulk, Tony Gwynn, Lamont Butler (for the shot) and Steven Strasburg. The other should be Don Coryell, Steve Fisher, Dr. Steven Webster and Dutcher. All of those have elevated SDSU in the national spotlight. Without coach Coryell we would have been just another Long Beach State. With our President Weber we wouldn't enjoy the athletic support from the college administration and the raise in academics the University continues to grow nationally.
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Post by Den60 on Jul 23, 2024 9:14:21 GMT -8
We're gonna need a bigger mountain: Tony Gwynn (HOF) Marshall Faulk (HOF) Kawhi Leonard (Future HOF) Stephen Strasburg (Future HOF, I think) Don Coryell (HOF in both college and pros. Changed the game)Steve Fisher (Expect a HOF selection, built the program from nothing) Xander Schauffle (2 Majors + Olympics Gold and ain't done yet. Likely future HOF). Coryell also built the program from nothing. He won as many games in his first year as Aztec coach as the previous coach won in the previous 4 years. He won more games in his first 2 years than the football team had won in the previous 6 years. At least as difficult, and maybe more, than Fisher's resurrection of the basketball program when he arrived. Fair, but I was just one year old then and my memory of the Aztec season is a little fuzzy. |
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Post by AzTex on Jul 23, 2024 9:38:24 GMT -8
Coryell also built the program from nothing. He won as many games in his first year as Aztec coach as the previous coach won in the previous 4 years. He won more games in his first 2 years than the football team had won in the previous 6 years. At least as difficult, and maybe more, than Fisher's resurrection of the basketball program when he arrived. Fair, but I was just one year old then and my memory of the Aztec season is a little fuzzy. Understandable. You kids have a limited view of history.  (To be so young again, sigh.) Actually all of us tend to view history only by what we have experienced during our lifetime. I know there were some great Aztec players before my time, but I tend to not put them in my all time greatest list because I never saw them play and have no way to value their achievements.
You had listed as one of Fisher's accomplishments as " built the program from nothing." I just wanted to point out, and add to your list, the fact that Coryell also " built the program from nothing."
Just wait till you get my age and you memory of yesterday's breakfast is a little fuzzy.
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(To be so young again, sigh.) Actually all of us tend to view history only by what we have experienced during our lifetime. I know there were some great Aztec players before my time, but I tend to not put them in my all time greatest list because I never saw them play and have no way to value their achievements.