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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 21, 2013 10:32:29 GMT -8
A religion of peace? Unless there is a revolutionary reform of Islam, I expect intolerant Muslims to commit this kind of attack on non-Muslims for the next several generations. Yes, I know, most Muslims are not terrorists. On the other hand, I'm not aware of any great uprising by moderate Muslims against this kind of terrorism. news.msn.com/world/22-dead-in-kenya-mall-attack-on-non-muslims/AzWm
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Post by azteccc on Sept 21, 2013 11:04:11 GMT -8
William, which religious group is most affected (i.e. has the most killed/injured by) "terrorism"?
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 22, 2013 8:04:25 GMT -8
William, which religious group is most affected (i.e. has the most killed/injured by) "terrorism"? What is the point of your question and what is your answer?
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 22, 2013 11:44:11 GMT -8
With few, if any, exceptions, terrorist killings, regardless of the religion of the victims, are committed by Muslims. It's an inconvenient fact but one we cannot ignore.
And Christians, Jews, Buddhists, and members of other religions are NOT killing anyone. Not for religious reasons, anyway. When was the last you heard of masked Presbyterians or Lutherans rampaging through a mall looking for Muslims to kill?
AzWm
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Post by azteccc on Sept 22, 2013 12:43:15 GMT -8
With few, if any, exceptions, terrorist killings, regardless of the religion of the victims, are committed by Muslims. It's an inconvenient fact but one we cannot ignore. As long you insist we do not "ignore facts", please answer my question. If you honestly don't know the answer, I suggest you look it up - it is relevant to your OP. Anders Breivik, off the top of my head.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Sept 22, 2013 13:29:32 GMT -8
Anders Breivik, off the top of my head. Hmmmm. Moral relativism... His murders equal al Qaeda's tallies? Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by azteccc on Sept 22, 2013 13:55:33 GMT -8
Anders Breivik, off the top of my head. Hmmmm. Moral relativism... His murders equal al Qaeda's tallies? Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards That wasn't the question asked. And if we're making tallies, refer to the first part of my comment.
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Post by aztec70 on Sept 22, 2013 13:58:36 GMT -8
With few, if any, exceptions, terrorist killings, regardless of the religion of the victims, are committed by Muslims. It's an inconvenient fact but one we cannot ignore. And Christians, Jews, Buddhists, and members of other religions are NOT killing anyone. Not for religious reasons, anyway. When was the last you heard of masked Presbyterians or Lutherans rampaging through a mall looking for Muslims to kill? AzWm Sure heard about Ireland. www.webpronews.com/northern-ireland-violence-between-catholics-and-protestants-lead-to-injuries-2013-08Does Christian on Christian count?
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Post by 78aztec82 on Sept 22, 2013 14:22:29 GMT -8
Shi'a vs Sunni killings are horrendous as well but they both are the root of the vast majority of terroristic murders against other societies and religions. The religion of peace. Grant that some of the Shi'a inspired killings are Iran backed, IMO but their hezbollah movement has been quite damaging. Sunni orgs like the various al Qaeda groups, to include Al Shabaab are spreading their hate internally and externally.
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Post by azteccc on Sept 22, 2013 14:49:43 GMT -8
I reject the premise of terrorism as a result of a religion. I also reject the premise that any religion is "the religion of peace". We have seen throughout history that religion in general is anything but.
Thought experiment for us all... Iraq invades America and kills tens of thousands of our friends and family. Iraq continues targeted assassinations of those Americans who speak out against the invasion. A lot of us would probably grab our guns and try to do something about it. A large portion of us would also be Christian... Are we then Christian terrorists fighting against the morally superior religion of Islam?
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Post by 78aztec82 on Sept 22, 2013 14:53:47 GMT -8
I reject the premise of terrorism as a result of a religion. I also reject the premise that any religion is "the religion of peace". We have seen throughout history that religion in general is anything but. Thought experiment for us all... Iraq invades America and kills tens of thousands of our friends and family. Iraq continues targeted assassinations of those Americans who speak out against the invasion. A lot of us would probably grab our guns and try to do something about it. A large portion of us would also be Christian... Are we then Christian terrorists fighting against the morally superior religion of Islam? We didn't. That is a false premise built upon false data proffered by an anti-US agenda. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by azteccc on Sept 22, 2013 15:35:55 GMT -8
I reject the premise of terrorism as a result of a religion. I also reject the premise that any religion is "the religion of peace". We have seen throughout history that religion in general is anything but. Thought experiment for us all... Iraq invades America and kills tens of thousands of our friends and family. Iraq continues targeted assassinations of those Americans who speak out against the invasion. A lot of us would probably grab our guns and try to do something about it. A large portion of us would also be Christian... Are we then Christian terrorists fighting against the morally superior religion of Islam? We didn't. That is a false premise built upon false data proffered by an anti-US agenda. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards We didn't what?
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 22, 2013 16:03:42 GMT -8
We didn't. That is a false premise built upon false data proffered by an anti-US agenda. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards We didn't what? An unlikely scenario about which you can only speculate. There is a long history of all kinds of violence inspired by religion. At present, Muslims are the biggest problem perpetrators of terror around the world.
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Post by azteccc on Sept 22, 2013 16:16:40 GMT -8
which religious group is most affected (i.e. has the most killed/injured by) "terrorism"? I'll ask again
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Post by 78aztec82 on Sept 22, 2013 16:22:51 GMT -8
which religious group is most affected (i.e. has the most killed/injured by) "terrorism"? I'll ask again Shi'a vs Sunni killings are horrendous as well but they both are the root of the vast majority of terroristic murders against other societies and religions. The religion of peace. Grant that some of the Shi'a inspired killings are Iran backed, IMO but their hezbollah movement has been quite damaging. Sunni orgs like the various al Qaeda groups, to include Al Shabaab are spreading their hate internally and externally.
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 22, 2013 16:28:22 GMT -8
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Post by azteccc on Sept 22, 2013 17:36:19 GMT -8
No one has answered yet... 78 you got close but didn't answer the question. It's okay, I know you know.
I asked William because he is implying toleration among the Islam community for terrorism. The religious group he singled out is the most effected by ""terrorism"", so it is quite naive to imply complicity.
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 23, 2013 4:16:04 GMT -8
No one has answered yet... 78 you got close but didn't answer the question. It's okay, I know you know. I asked William because he is implying toleration among the Islam community for terrorism. The religious group he singled out is the most effected by ""terrorism"", so it is quite naive to imply complicity. Affected? Effected? I am sure you are looking for muslims.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Sept 23, 2013 8:56:05 GMT -8
With few, if any, exceptions, terrorist killings, regardless of the religion of the victims, are committed by Muslims. It's an inconvenient fact but one we cannot ignore. And Christians, Jews, Buddhists, and members of other religions are NOT killing anyone. Not for religious reasons, anyway. When was the last you heard of masked Presbyterians or Lutherans rampaging through a mall looking for Muslims to kill? AzWm William - I would agree with you that the majority of terror related killings are being performed by Muslims. Most, if not all, done by Sunni Muslims. Much of those killings are directed at other Muslim sects. However there are people of other religions who are also killing others. The Serbs in Bosnia is an example of recent history. Currently Buddhists are killing Muslims in Myanmar.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 23, 2013 10:30:24 GMT -8
With few, if any, exceptions, terrorist killings, regardless of the religion of the victims, are committed by Muslims. It's an inconvenient fact but one we cannot ignore. As long you insist we do not "ignore facts", please answer my question. If you honestly don't know the answer, I suggest you look it up - it is relevant to your OP. Anders Breivik, off the top of my head. Off the top of your head? No, off the top, middle, bottom of your head and out of your right back pocket, man. That guy, who was just a single nut case rather than a member of an organized movement, is probably the only case you will find. Certainly the only case in the Western World. Islam is the only religion which has consistently generated groups dedicated to attacking members of other religions. Only peaceful Muslims can bring about a reformation that will change this situation. Christians of hundreds of years ago attacked Muslims, and each other (after the Protestant Reformation began). They finally got over it. When will the radical Muslims give up their propensity to force non-Muslims to convert at the point of a sword ... or gun? When will they understand that only voluntary conversion is genuine? AzWm
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