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Post by azteccc on Sept 25, 2013 13:13:39 GMT -8
If you can choose to die by someone else's hand two weeks from now without any notice, or commit an act of guerrilla warfare to kill both yourself and your perceived enemy today... How can you say one answer is more rational than the other? Once again, you make no sense. We are not having a contest between two irrational acts. To you Birtherism is rational. It is not up to me or you to judge what someone else finds rational, but it is absolutely necessary to understand someone else's rationality if you want to have an understanding of the larger picture - in this case, terrorism. No person, ever, acts against their own rationale, suicide bombers included. |
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Post by 78aztec82 on Sept 25, 2013 13:17:02 GMT -8
Huh? Address the comment. What is rational about suicide? If you can choose to die by someone else's hand two weeks from now without any notice, or commit an act of guerrilla warfare to kill both yourself and your perceived enemy today... How can you say one answer is more rational than the other? Just a quick question, reading this, are you saying the customers of the mall were legal combatants per Geneva and a threat to al Shabaab? Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards |
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Post by azteccc on Sept 25, 2013 13:25:22 GMT -8
If you can choose to die by someone else's hand two weeks from now without any notice, or commit an act of guerrilla warfare to kill both yourself and your perceived enemy today... How can you say one answer is more rational than the other? Just a quick question, reading this, are you saying the customers of the mall were legal combatants per Geneva and a threat to al Shabaab? Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards Nope. |
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Post by 78aztec82 on Sept 25, 2013 13:30:28 GMT -8
Just a quick question, reading this, are you saying the customers of the mall were legal combatants per Geneva and a threat to al Shabaab? Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards Nope. Then I'm confused by your indirect analogy. It seems you are saying that it's better for them to fight on their terms now rather than wait to be killed later. True? Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards |
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Post by azteccc on Sept 25, 2013 13:42:38 GMT -8
Then I'm confused by your indirect analogy. It seems you are saying that it's better for them to fight on their terms now rather than wait to be killed later. True? Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards Win asked what is rational about suicide. I was saying his judgment that suicide bombers are irrational is only his opinion. To him, of course the acts aren't rational, but to them it is very rational. A statement, overall, only relatively ancillary to my point. |
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Post by 78aztec82 on Sept 25, 2013 13:44:14 GMT -8
Thx, I thought it had to do with a proffered reason for the attack.
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Post by azteccc on Sept 25, 2013 13:49:27 GMT -8
^^ and that gets right back to the original point. These guys aren't attacking malls because their religion tells them to... They attacked this mall as a retaliation for foreign military intervention by the Kenyan government in Somalia. Despicable actions, obviously... But very important for people that share OPs opinion that somehow islam is the issue to know.
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Post by davdesid on Sept 25, 2013 15:13:01 GMT -8
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Post by 78aztec82 on Sept 25, 2013 15:27:42 GMT -8
^^ and that gets right back to the original point. These guys aren't attacking malls because their religion tells them to... They attacked this mall as a retaliation for foreign military intervention by the Kenyan government in Somalia. Despicable actions, obviously... But very important for people that share OPs opinion that somehow islam is the issue to know. They do both. Murder in the name of Islam AND kill innocents for really no real reason. These people are practically subhuman and NO excuse can be made for attacks like these. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards |
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Post by davdesid on Sept 25, 2013 15:47:33 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 25, 2013 15:48:15 GMT -8
Once again, you make no sense. We are not having a contest between two irrational acts. To you Birtherism is rational. It is not up to me or you to judge what someone else finds rational, but it is absolutely necessary to understand someone else's rationality if you want to have an understanding of the larger picture - in this case, terrorism. No person, ever, acts against their own rationale, suicide bombers included. In this instance, Lucy, you are like talking to a stump. Take this a step farther and explain how a reasonably intelligent person could rationally strap on a suicide vest. Brain washed? Belief in "paradise"? Do they have any sense of right and wrong on a human level? |
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Post by azteccc on Sept 25, 2013 17:16:53 GMT -8
To you Birtherism is rational. It is not up to me or you to judge what someone else finds rational, but it is absolutely necessary to understand someone else's rationality if you want to have an understanding of the larger picture - in this case, terrorism. No person, ever, acts against their own rationale, suicide bombers included. In this instance, Lucy, you are like talking to a stump. Take this a step farther and explain how a reasonably intelligent person could rationally strap on a suicide vest. Brain washed? Belief in "paradise"? Do they have any sense of right and wrong on a human level? It appears you've started drinking already, but... I said nothing about "reasonably intelligent". To 70's point, how do you explain kamikaze pilots? How could a reasonably intelligent person be a birther? |
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Post by azteccc on Sept 25, 2013 17:35:01 GMT -8
Did they ask whether the muslims were sunni or shia? Why not? I doubt you can, or care to, connect the dots. But here you go. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_KenyaThe predominant religion in Kenya is Christianity, adhered to by about four-fifths of the population. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_KenyaIslam is the religion of approximately 11.2 percent [1] of the Kenyan population, or approximately 4.3 million people. Though the majority of Kenyan Muslims are Sunni, there is a population of Kenyan Shia . Approximately 73% identify themselves as Sunni. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_KenyaCushitic peoples form a significant minority of Kenya's population. They speak Afro-Asiatic languages, and originally came from Ethiopia and Somalia in Northeast Africa. The Eastern Cushites include the Oromo and the Somali. Of these, the Somali are the most recent arrivals to Kenya, having first come from Somalia only a few centuries ago.[9] After the Northern Frontier District (North Eastern Province) was handed over to Kenyan nationalists at the end of British colonial rule in Kenya, Somalis in the region fought the Shifta War against Kenyan troops to join their kin in the Somali Republic to the north. Although the war ended into a cease-fire, Somalis in the region still identify and maintain close ties with their kin in Somalia, and see themselves as one people. |
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Post by azteccc on Sept 25, 2013 17:37:57 GMT -8
You can keep your guns, idiot. They aren't going to help you, but I couldn't care less if they help you sleep at night. And as far as muslims and islam and every other religion... I make no distinction between one person's stupid religion and everyone else's stupid religion. Organized religion serves a purpose, but isn't particularly healthy for anyone involved. |
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Post by azteccc on Sept 25, 2013 17:39:01 GMT -8
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Post by davdesid on Sept 26, 2013 12:26:22 GMT -8
Did they ask whether the muslims were sunni or shia? Why not? I doubt you can, or care to, connect the dots. But here you go. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_KenyaThe predominant religion in Kenya is Christianity, adhered to by about four-fifths of the population. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_KenyaIslam is the religion of approximately 11.2 percent [1] of the Kenyan population, or approximately 4.3 million people. Though the majority of Kenyan Muslims are Sunni, there is a population of Kenyan Shia . Approximately 73% identify themselves as Sunni. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_KenyaCushitic peoples form a significant minority of Kenya's population. They speak Afro-Asiatic languages, and originally came from Ethiopia and Somalia in Northeast Africa. The Eastern Cushites include the Oromo and the Somali. Of these, the Somali are the most recent arrivals to Kenya, having first come from Somalia only a few centuries ago.[9] After the Northern Frontier District (North Eastern Province) was handed over to Kenyan nationalists at the end of British colonial rule in Kenya, Somalis in the region fought the Shifta War against Kenyan troops to join their kin in the Somali Republic to the north. Although the war ended into a cease-fire, Somalis in the region still identify and maintain close ties with their kin in Somalia, and see themselves as one people. I'm aware of the religious breakdown of Kenya. The CBS report speaks for itself. |
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Post by davdesid on Sept 26, 2013 12:32:14 GMT -8
You can keep your guns, idiot. They aren't going to help you, but I couldn't care less if they help you sleep at night. And as far as muslims and islam and every other religion... I make no distinction between one person's stupid religion and everyone else's stupid religion. Organized religion serves a purpose, but isn't particularly healthy for anyone involved. Guns? What guns? Your second point ignores the fact that today some religions allow apostasy without a death sentence. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 27, 2013 9:29:09 GMT -8
You are incorrect. Sunni Muslims consider Shia or any other branch of Islam as apostate. That is religious dogma. A 'good' Sunni would never let their daughter marry a Shia and vice versa. Similar to a 'good' Catholic not marrying a Mormon. The difference is that if it did happen, the Catholic father wouldn't normally kill the bride. You are incorrect. Ask any Muslim you know what religion they are, and not one will respond with Shia or Sunni. The tenants of the religion[/b] are the same. [/quote] That's an interesting point. I know relatively little about Islam, I admit. However, I remember a couple of years ago listing to a radio discussion on Islam. The guest speaker, who apparently knew far more than I do, declared that Sunni and Shia actually are quite different, so much so, and these were his words, "They are almost like two different religions." I would like to know more about that point. AzWm |
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Post by 78aztec82 on Sept 28, 2013 8:57:42 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 28, 2013 9:12:12 GMT -8
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