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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 9, 2013 1:42:50 GMT -8
San Francisco stole Anquan Boldin for a SIXTH round pick. We could have had him if Tom Telesco had been willing to trade a fifth round pick for him. A lousy fifth round pick is all it would have taken and we could have had one of the best receivers in the league.
Instead, we've got a crappy receiving corps with no legit #1 receiver. Again.
Lack of foresight. Lack of judgment. Lack of intelligence.
Trading a fifth round pick for a receiver of Boldin's talent should have been a no-brainer. Watching yesterday's game just cemented how stupid it was of Telesco to pass on Boldin.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 9, 2013 9:59:57 GMT -8
Link to your information?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 9, 2013 10:48:30 GMT -8
Link to your information? Pretty common knowledge - Boldin was traded for a 6th round pick. It was known at the time that the Ravens were shopping him and Telesco either didn't pursue him at all or didn't want to top the 6th round pick that San Francisco had offered. Either way, Telesco blew it. BIG time. All he would have had to offer was a 5th round pick and Boldin would be wearing a Chargers uniform tonight. |
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Post by Deja Vu U Monty on Sept 9, 2013 18:55:30 GMT -8
Can he play defense? Looks like we don't have much of anything going on there.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 9, 2013 22:00:38 GMT -8
First I've heard of it, so basically you're speculating what Telesco did or didn't want to do....which you're not privy to.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 10, 2013 4:17:12 GMT -8
First I've heard of it, so basically you're speculating what Telesco did or didn't want to do....which you're not privy to. Not at all. I'm pointing out the facts as they are now known (and as they have been widely reported - including during SF's game on Sunday). Baltimore put Boldin on the market and the best offer they got was from San Francisco with a 6th round pick. Do the math. The Chargers could have easily had him for a 5th round pick. It's not like Baltimore kept it a secret that he was on the market. They wanted to get as much as they could for him. No GM is going to take less than they can get. If they could have gotten a 5th from the Chargers instead of a 6th from San Fransicso they would have taken it. Just because you didn't pay attention to the off season player news doesn't mean it wasn't reported. It was. And the Chargers sure could have used Boldin in the second half last night... |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 10, 2013 8:42:40 GMT -8
Not unless Boldin can play defense and on the offensive line. The Chargers lack the finishing mentality it takes right now. You have to play 4 quarters of football. As soon as we were up 28-21 and went run for a loss of a yard, run for no gain, incomplete pass on the critical drive in the second half...the writing was on the wall.
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Post by smoothcat on Sept 10, 2013 17:26:41 GMT -8
Good organizations make good moves, bad ones don't.
How about letting Shawn Phillips go and let Denver get him on a minimum contract? Phillips 2.5 sacks after 1st game.
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Post by fisherville on Sept 10, 2013 18:19:28 GMT -8
Sorry but the Chargers are rebuilding, getting veterans aren't what they should be doing. Also WR is not the issue.
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Post by fisherville on Sept 10, 2013 18:21:15 GMT -8
San Francisco stole Anquan Boldin for a SIXTH round pick. We could have had him if Tom Telesco had been willing to trade a fifth round pick for him. A lousy fifth round pick is all it would have taken and we could have had one of the best receivers in the league. Instead, we've got a crappy receiving corps with no legit #1 receiver. Again. Lack of foresight. Lack of judgment. Lack of intelligence. Trading a fifth round pick for a receiver of Boldin's talent should have been a no-brainer. Watching yesterday's game just cemented how stupid it was of Telesco to pass on Boldin. Hate to break it to you but with Boldin we would still lack that number 1 receiver. But the recieving core is not crappy, they made great plays in the opener, Rivers and the o-line choked in the clutch. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 10, 2013 18:27:40 GMT -8
Hate to break it to you but with Boldin we would still lack that number 1 receiver. 13 catches for 208 yards and a TD in the season opener says otherwise. They made plays in the first 2 1/3 quarters. After that they got the drops and couldn't get open with any consistency. Boldin's specialty is getting open and holding on to the ball when it's within reach. He doesn't drop passes. He finds the open spot on the field and gives his QB a big target. Rivers could have used a guy like that last night. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 12, 2013 20:48:44 GMT -8
He also could have used a better offensive gameplan in the second half, too. One that kept our gassed defense off the field.
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Post by aztecron on Sept 14, 2013 7:54:42 GMT -8
San Francisco stole Anquan Boldin for a SIXTH round pick. We could have had him if Tom Telesco had been willing to trade a fifth round pick for him. A lousy fifth round pick is all it would have taken and we could have had one of the best receivers in the league. Instead, we've got a crappy receiving corps with no legit #1 receiver. Again. Lack of foresight. Lack of judgment. Lack of intelligence. Trading a fifth round pick for a receiver of Boldin's talent should have been a no-brainer. Watching yesterday's game just cemented how stupid it was of Telesco to pass on Boldin. You could be right, but I'd bet it's not the draft pick but the $6 million guaranteed Boldin makes this year that was the stopper. We have a lot of dead money on our salary cap thanks to Gaither and Meachem. If I remember correctly were right up against the cap this year. |
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Post by aztecron on Sept 14, 2013 7:56:09 GMT -8
First I've heard of it, so basically you're speculating what Telesco did or didn't want to do....which you're not privy to. Not at all. I'm pointing out the facts as they are now known (and as they have been widely reported - including during SF's game on Sunday). Baltimore put Boldin on the market and the best offer they got was from San Francisco with a 6th round pick. Do the math. The Chargers could have easily had him for a 5th round pick. It's not like Baltimore kept it a secret that he was on the market. They wanted to get as much as they could for him. No GM is going to take less than they can get. If they could have gotten a 5th from the Chargers instead of a 6th from San Fransicso they would have taken it. Just because you didn't pay attention to the off season player news doesn't mean it wasn't reported. It was. And the Chargers sure could have used Boldin in the second half last night... Don't forget about the fact of Boldin's contract as well. $6 million guaranteed for 2013. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Sept 14, 2013 10:23:30 GMT -8
San Francisco stole Anquan Boldin for a SIXTH round pick. We could have had him if Tom Telesco had been willing to trade a fifth round pick for him. A lousy fifth round pick is all it would have taken and we could have had one of the best receivers in the league. Instead, we've got a crappy receiving corps with no legit #1 receiver. Again. Lack of foresight. Lack of judgment. Lack of intelligence. Trading a fifth round pick for a receiver of Boldin's talent should have been a no-brainer. Watching yesterday's game just cemented how stupid it was of Telesco to pass on Boldin. Your point is well taken. The Chargers passing game hasn't been the same since Vincent Jackson left. They thought Malcolm Floyd or Meachem or someone would step up and deliver some big plays, that hasn't happened yet. The Chargers have other needs and your statement seems kind of like a knee jerk reaction to one big game by a journeyman veteran free agent. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 14, 2013 12:28:41 GMT -8
San Francisco stole Anquan Boldin for a SIXTH round pick. We could have had him if Tom Telesco had been willing to trade a fifth round pick for him. A lousy fifth round pick is all it would have taken and we could have had one of the best receivers in the league. Instead, we've got a crappy receiving corps with no legit #1 receiver. Again. Lack of foresight. Lack of judgment. Lack of intelligence. Trading a fifth round pick for a receiver of Boldin's talent should have been a no-brainer. Watching yesterday's game just cemented how stupid it was of Telesco to pass on Boldin. Your point is well taken. The Chargers passing game hasn't been the same since Vincent Jackson left. They thought Malcolm Floyd or Meachem or someone would step up and deliver some big plays, that hasn't happened yet. The Chargers have other needs and your statement seems kind of like a knee jerk reaction to one big game by a journeyman veteran free agent. One game? Journeyman? Are you familiar with this guy? He was a stud on my fantasy team for years (up until I quit playing fantasy football). He was one of the 10 best receivers in the league when he was with Arizona, and he did well in Baltimore, even though that was a run first offense. The guy is a playmaker. He knows how to get open and he's got great hands. Antonio Gates USED TO be that guy, but since his foot problems kicked in he's been mediocre. The Chargers DESPERATELY need a reliable receiver. Anquan Boldin would have been PERFECT for that spot. And it would have only cost the Chargers a lousy FIFTH ROUND PICK. That's nothing for a great receiver, even if it is only for a 2 or 3 year rental. Trading for Boldin would not have prevented the Chargers from going after other players at positions of need, but it would have made the offense stronger - strong enough to win Monday's game (all they needed was one more TD). |
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Post by fisherville on Sept 14, 2013 13:50:14 GMT -8
Hate to break it to you but with Boldin we would still lack that number 1 receiver. 13 catches for 208 yards and a TD in the season opener says otherwise. Great that you go a 1 game sample over a season where he didn't get 1 K yards, nice logic there. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 14, 2013 14:41:16 GMT -8
13 catches for 208 yards and a TD in the season opener says otherwise. Great that you go a 1 game sample over a season where he didn't get 1 K yards, nice logic there. Ummmm... Have you not followed this guy for the last 8 years or so? He is a top receiver in the league and has been that whole time. Look at his numbers from Arizona, or even from Baltimore (which is a run first offense). He is a great receiver and has been his whole career. He's had no quality drop off. That's why I pointed out the first game - he's still got it. He's been one of the best receivers in the league for years, and he's still one of the best. And the Chargers could have had him for next to nothing. He immediately would have been a go-to guy for Rivers (and as he almost never drops the ball that would have been a good thing). |
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Post by aztecron on Sept 15, 2013 8:21:18 GMT -8
If only the Chargers could build there roster via fantasy football rules, then we could have whomever we wanted. According to Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk on NBC Sports, in calculations of cap space left within this years salary cap by team, the Chargers had $6.2 million left as of April 23rd of this year. Link: profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/23/team-by-team-cap-numbers-from-nfls-calculations/That's before Ingram went down and we had to sign Freeney, not to mention we had to sign all of our draft picks and pay players on the IR, too. It isn't just draft picks that were a part of this decision, unlike fantasy football, there are monetary considerations to take into account in the NFL as well. In my opinion there is no way Telesco turns down Boldin for a fifth round pick if the NFL told him not to worry about the salary cap consequences. But, of course, he doesn't live in a fantasy world like we do and is governed by league rules and a hard salary cap that he inherited from the outgoing regime. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 15, 2013 10:42:45 GMT -8
If only the Chargers could build there roster via fantasy football rules, then we could have whomever we wanted. According to Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk on NBC Sports, in calculations of cap space left within this years salary cap by team, the Chargers had $6.2 million left as of April 23rd of this year. Link: profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/23/team-by-team-cap-numbers-from-nfls-calculations/That's before Ingram went down and we had to sign Freeney, not to mention we had to sign all of our draft picks and pay players on the IR, too. It isn't just draft picks that were a part of this decision, unlike fantasy football, there are monetary considerations to take into account in the NFL as well. In my opinion there is no way Telesco turns down Boldin for a fifth round pick if the NFL told him not to worry about the salary cap consequences. But, of course, he doesn't live in a fantasy world like we do and is governed by league rules and a hard salary cap that he inherited from the outgoing regime. Come on, we've seen dozens of cases like that where the team gets creative with team salary or the QB restructures his salary to accomodate a player like that. There are ways to get it done if you really want to. It's not like Boldin had a $10 Million per year contract, either... You seem really eager to excuse the new Chargers' management. Are you related to them or something??  |
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