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Sept 23, 2012 12:31:58 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2012 12:31:58 GMT -8
Discount the game against North Dakota and we've had 4 sacks in three games while surrendering 11 sacks in those three games. To borrow Ted Tollner's favorite phrase, that's not going to get it done.
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Sept 23, 2012 13:38:18 GMT -8
Post by SuperAztec on Sept 23, 2012 13:38:18 GMT -8
What is our sack to blitz ratio? If there is such a stat me thinks we would be dead last in the nation. For as much as we blitz to only have 4 sacks is beyond bad.
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Sept 23, 2012 13:49:32 GMT -8
Post by cacique on Sept 23, 2012 13:49:32 GMT -8
I do believe Katz held the ball too long on many of his sacks and was indecisive on weather to run or pass.
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Sept 23, 2012 13:57:32 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2012 13:57:32 GMT -8
What is our sack to blitz ratio? If there is such a stat me thinks we would be dead last in the nation. For as much as we blitz to only have 4 sacks is beyond bad. Washington, Army and SJSU collectively threw the ball 76 times. Add in QB scrambles and they probably had at least 85 passing formations. Considering how much we blitz, you can bet we've brought at least 100 guys in those three games with four sacks to show for it. So I'm sure you're correct.
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Sept 23, 2012 14:34:16 GMT -8
Post by aztecmichael on Sept 23, 2012 14:34:16 GMT -8
Just as bad as lack of sacks is the fact that we are getting zero pressure. Sometimes, its hard to get sacks because of the quick hitting offenses. But you have to at least get some pressure and get in the face of the qb. BTW, last night, in the 4 th quarter, I offered my group of 10 that I would buy dinner if we got one sack. as you know, I still have my $200
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Sept 23, 2012 14:53:59 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2012 14:53:59 GMT -8
Just as bad as lack of sacks is the fact that we are getting zero pressure. That's a great point. Give any halfway decent FBS QB all day to throw and you can make anybody look like Peyton Manning.
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Sept 23, 2012 15:08:17 GMT -8
Post by 99levi on Sept 23, 2012 15:08:17 GMT -8
I wonder what our Dline coach has to say about this?...accountability is needed if our dline is not using "proper technique".
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Sept 24, 2012 9:48:34 GMT -8
Post by spgonzo on Sept 24, 2012 9:48:34 GMT -8
I wonder what our Dline coach has to say about this?...accountability is needed if our dline is not using "proper technique". It is not the technique. It is the fact that we have a Defensive end trying to play the nose and we have outside linebackers playing end. We are moving into a big boy conference. No more CSU's or New Mexico's next season. The front 7 is terribly undersized. It is easier said than done, but we need a few 300 pounders up front. This has to be a point of emphasis in recruiting. Bring in some JC help. I am sure Dan Kottman is a great kid, but he is not a defensive lineman. This kid was undersized in HS, he is out of his league here. Sam Meredith is a low level BCS defensive end as far as size is concerned. The D line recruiting has been terrible. SDSU has offered five D tackles that we have no chance at, this is getting really scary. I am scared to see what happens against the Big East elite.
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Sept 24, 2012 11:27:23 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 11:27:23 GMT -8
I think defensive linemen are not usually as heavy as o linemen. Jared Allen is about 270. Still we are a bit undersized IMO.
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Sept 24, 2012 12:05:38 GMT -8
Post by rickdoerr on Sept 24, 2012 12:05:38 GMT -8
I think defensive linemen are not usually as heavy as o linemen. In the case of Fresno St that's treu. OL averages 302 while their Dl is 295. BTW their lbers average 241. Big and fast beats small and fast.
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Sept 24, 2012 12:15:08 GMT -8
Post by spgonzo on Sept 24, 2012 12:15:08 GMT -8
I think defensive linemen are not usually as heavy as o linemen. Jared Allen is about 270. Still we are a bit undersized IMO. He also has one of the quickest first steps in the NFL. We have nobody on the roster on the same planet as him as far as talent goes.
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Sept 24, 2012 19:04:00 GMT -8
Post by fowl on Sept 24, 2012 19:04:00 GMT -8
This defense is designed for quick players. Dlineman are required to run from sideline to sideline every play and who SHOULD be able to put pressure on the QB because of the confussion caused by blitzes coming from at least one of the back eight. It didn't work that way in the fourth quarter vs SJ st.
We held SJ st to 3.3 ypc and just 77 rushing yards with our "tiny" Dline. You're delusional if you think a 6'3" 310lb Dlineman is going to put on a better pass rush than someone 40 lbs lighter.
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Sept 25, 2012 11:17:42 GMT -8
Post by spgonzo on Sept 25, 2012 11:17:42 GMT -8
This defense is designed for quick players. Dlineman are required to run from sideline to sideline every play and who SHOULD be able to put pressure on the QB because of the confussion caused by blitzes coming from at least one of the back eight. It didn't work that way in the fourth quarter vs SJ st. We held SJ st to 3.3 ypc and just 77 rushing yards with our "tiny" Dline. You're delusional if you think a 6'3" 310lb Dlineman is going to put on a better pass rush than someone 40 lbs lighter. Look at the top defenses in the nation. They do not have a 270 pound player at the nose or a 200 pound (maybe) middle line backer. With size, comes strength. Look at how the massive line of North Dakota completely neutralized our front 7. A 300 pounder demands a double team and therefore it opens up a hole for a blitzing line backer to apply that pressure. That is why, even with heavy blitzing, we still cannot get pressure. The size we have is marginal for the MWC and will get dominated in the BE. As the saying goes, "sometimes it is not about the X's and O's, it is about the Jim's and Joe's." You have to have the personnel on the field to compete. This is a glaring deficiency in recruiting. Last year we signed a 6'1 245 pound "defensive tackle." There is not one true DT on this roster and it is really starting to show.
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Sept 25, 2012 11:23:33 GMT -8
Post by k5james on Sept 25, 2012 11:23:33 GMT -8
Sam is a defensive tackle. If size was the problem SJSU and UND would have been able to run the ball on us.
Their size isn't the issue, it's their lack of speed that is the problem and concerning.
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Sept 25, 2012 11:24:26 GMT -8
Post by k5james on Sept 25, 2012 11:24:26 GMT -8
I think defensive linemen are not usually as heavy as o linemen. Jared Allen is about 270. Still we are a bit undersized IMO. He also has one of the quickest first steps in the NFL. We have nobody on the roster on the same planet as him as far as talent goes. Not many teams do.
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Sept 25, 2012 20:40:32 GMT -8
Post by nctyaztec on Sept 25, 2012 20:40:32 GMT -8
Sam is a defensive tackle. If size was the problem SJSU and UND would have been able to run the ball on us. Their size isn't the issue, it's their lack of speed that is the problem and concerning. No size and no speed is a very bad combination. The Aztecs need both. I believe the power of the OL is just one year away from being good, especially the tackles. Speed is another story. There's no one fast at the DE who can rush the QB, and we don't have anyone at the OLB that can rush the passer either. Last year, a lot of the pressure was created by Miles Burress. However, it still was enough because half of the games the defense could not stop the pass. Lou. Lafayette was just unstoppable in the last game.
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Sept 25, 2012 22:47:15 GMT -8
Post by tonatiuh on Sept 25, 2012 22:47:15 GMT -8
Just as bad as lack of sacks is the fact that we are getting zero pressure. That's a great point. Give any halfway decent FBS QB all day to throw and you can make anybody look like Peyton Manning. It sounds as though some here may have forgotten that our DL was a major question even before the season began. They are inexperienced, and not very big so naturally we are going to have problems as we have witnessed in the last two weeks. I still believe that our DL will get better as they play more, and Rocky will most likely change things up some. Rocky will probably be recruiting heavy in the off season for some bigger, faster linemen that we will need especially since we are moving to the BE. I am not so quick to criticize the team. We still have most of the season to go.
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Sept 26, 2012 0:31:52 GMT -8
Post by insider on Sept 26, 2012 0:31:52 GMT -8
The pass blocking has actually been good, actually I would have to say the o-line in general has been the positive surprise so far of the season, most of the sacks are on Katz for panicking in the pocket rather than just going through his reads.
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Sept 26, 2012 7:47:37 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2012 7:47:37 GMT -8
That's a great point. Give any halfway decent FBS QB all day to throw and you can make anybody look like Peyton Manning. It sounds as though some here may have forgotten that our DL was a major question even before the season began. They are inexperienced, and not very big so naturally we are going to have problems as we have witnessed in the last two weeks. I still believe that our DL will get better as they play more, and Rocky will most likely change things up some. Rocky will probably be recruiting heavy in the off season for some bigger, faster linemen that we will need especially since we are moving to the BE. I am not so quick to criticize the team. We still have most of the season to go. We've had no injuries in that area so one would expect improvement as the season progresses. Instead, there has been considerable regression the last two games. And as another poster pointed out, do you notice ANY stunting by the linemen? I haven't. Also, our pass rushing doesn't just come from the linemen. We blitz one and sometimes two LBs on every passing down yet despite those guys being returning players, THEY aren't pressuring the QB either. If you think I'm wrong about any of that, let's debate the point.
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Sept 26, 2012 9:37:28 GMT -8
Post by spgonzo on Sept 26, 2012 9:37:28 GMT -8
That's a great point. Give any halfway decent FBS QB all day to throw and you can make anybody look like Peyton Manning. It sounds as though some here may have forgotten that our DL was a major question even before the season began. They are inexperienced, and not very big so naturally we are going to have problems as we have witnessed in the last two weeks. I still believe that our DL will get better as they play more, and Rocky will most likely change things up some. Rocky will probably be recruiting heavy in the off season for some bigger, faster linemen that we will need especially since we are moving to the BE. I am not so quick to criticize the team. We still have most of the season to go. The recruiting is the problem. Look at who they have offered. As I stated before, we have offered 5 guys who we have no chance at. I like that we are aiming for highly rated players, but we need to go after the 2nd and 3rd tier guys that we have a chance with. I think we need to go the JC route for immediate help. The D-Line is what separates the top conferences/team from the rest of the pack.
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